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Started by Woodhauler, February 26, 2015, 06:10:06 PM

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Woodhauler

I can see why some people end it! Been living with it to long! Now i'm losing use of my right hand, and it hurts like heck! That and my hip pain is about all i can take! And no i'm not going to do anything foolish, got appointments with 2 different doctors in the next 2 weeks!! Can't wait to get things fixed up!
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doctorb

As a doc, I've seen a lot of hard working men come into my office with the knot already tied to the end of their rope.  Like you, they're holding on, but they ain't happy.

The one piece of advice I can give is not what you want to hear.  Most of your pains can be helped via PT, meds, injections, and surgery.  The problem is usually not in alleviating your pain, but in changing the root cause of your pain.  This often means a change in lifestyle or occupation, and in many, that seems like a complete impossibility.
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SawyerBrown

Guess it gets back to the old gag line, doesn't it Doc?
"It hurts when I do this"
"Well then don't do that!"

Hang in there, WoodHauler!
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Straightgrain

I think I know exactly how you feel sir, read-on if you are interested in what I have to share with you.

Your pain is yours to keep; it cannot be transferred....there are no surrogates for your health, it falls upon you, so it comes down to Pain Management!

If you apply yourself to your health at a level anything close to all the hard work you have done all these years, you will find a way to manage the pain.


I agree with doc and I have "zippers" on almost every limb and back; there are still residuals after surgery, it still falls upon you to recover and stay healthy.

Long story short; after 24 years in the army I found myself 40, retired, broken, on meds, in a largely disrespectful world, a country falling towards what I call socialism, and looking for a short-cut to the "check-out" line. Somehow I found a way to challenge myself to give myself the same dedication (110%) as I gave this country all those years.

You are worth the effort!

I found that there are no shortcuts to a peaceful mind, there are no medications without side effects, no excuses to put yourself aside any longer, no guilt for taking care of yourself, and plenty of people who will be better off if you are and remain healthy.

I had to give up a lot of things that I loved and didn't think I could give up like those stupid cigarettes, snuff, chew, large amounts of pork, certain types and large amounts of alcohol, wheat, gluten, dairy, even....coffee, and I do my stretching exercises...like the physical therapist suggested. Today's processed food is CRAP!

The best relief for hip pain I was given (assuming sciatica is the cause) is a stretching exercise; lay supine and form a 4 with your legs (painful leg resting on the opposite knee) 3 times for about ten minutes each, have a 2nd person return the bent leg to the elongated position.....amazing relief. The second thing I do is use the magnesium spray on my wrists and other joints, 3rd thing is nutrition; get off the acids (soda) and up your PH levels with simple things like 2 cap-fulls of apple-cider vinegar in a glass of water every morning.

No shortcuts, you have to work at it sir. 
"We fight for and against not men and things as they are, but for and against the caricatures we make of them". Joseph Schumpeter

Woodhauler

Today starts the journey to get fixed up! Going at 9:30 to see a doctor about my hands! Next thursday its the hip doctor!
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Reddog

Good luck with it, hope there is much relief in your not to distant future.

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Straightgrain

Quote from: Raider Bill on March 13, 2015, 09:12:43 AM
Magnesium spray?

Yesser, Magnesium Oil Spray; three pumps and rub it in. Pain goes away in minutes. Won't cure ailments like nerve damage IMO, but it sure helps at the end of the day. @ $8 per bottle; lasts for months.

Woodhauler, good luck sir. 
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Woodhauler

The day is finally coming! Tommorow i go to the doc to try and find the source of this pain! Setting here now and its at a level of 6-7 i would say! >:(
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Danbeck

I figure by posting on here, you're looking for ideas/advice from us fellow guys. So here's mine, from my experiences - and yes I've had my share of injuries, such as muscle group strain from getting crushed in a ditch cave-in: doctors are not the first place to go, unless you broke something. Find a good chiropractor, based on word-of-mouth. Most likely pain is from misalignment which causes pinching of nerves. Fixing this will take multiple visits, which can be spread out apart as time goes by. Yes, it may mean changing jobs at some point, but perhaps not. Do you sit on your wallet? That may be the root cause of all of this. Do you drink a lot of coffee? Some folks (like me) get arthritis from drinking coffee - it dries (dehydrates) your body and irritates the joints & surrounding tissues. Yes, it's hard to give up. Take care - just my 2 cents' worth - hope you figure it out!!!
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sandsawmill14

hang in there woodhauler  my daughter had to have hip surgery last march and is like a different kid. now she is getting ready to have the other hip fixed as soon as school lets out for summer. she is only 17 and having 2nd hip surgery  :'(  I hate it so bad for her but she is to young to go on hurting for 50+ years. But let them fix ya up its not as bad as it used to be.   Just telling this so you would know of one that is very happy with results. she is so much better she cant wait to get the other one fixed.  Oh yeah   a 1200# horse fell and rolled on her and tore tendons and cartilage loose from the bone( cant remember the fancy names ???) I guess she is lucky thats all that happened
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SawyerBrown

Good luck tomorrow WoodHauler. Don't let up until you have an answer!

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Woodhauler

First visit went ok! Doc wants to do a bone scan, thinks my problems are in my sacroiliac joint. Said it gives same symptoms as bad hip. Hip joints are fine!
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sandsawmill14

Thats good news (i think). maybe they can get you fixed up soon
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SawyerBrown

That's good, right??  What's involved in fixing your sacrilegious joint?   ;D
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Woodhauler

Quote from: SawyerBrown on March 22, 2015, 01:09:08 PM
That's good, right??  What's involved in fixing your sacrilegious joint?   ;D
Most likely a axx transplant!!! Na! Shots and medicine i guess.
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Reddog

Find a good hospital run pain clinic program for the injections and treatment, cause lets just say that can be a real shady side.
Also try a couple different docs for the injections at that program.
Shots helped on mine. But I got differing results based on which Doc. So I stuck with the two that gave me the best results, instead of just who was available at the time.

doctorb

First, Sacroliliac arthritis is common, but usually not debilitating.

Second, I have absolutely no idea how a bone scan is going to make or break this diagnosis.

Third, when necessary, SI injections are performed and can help.

Fourth, hip joint symptoms are 99% in the front of the joint, your groin.  If your symptoms are in the butt, they are almost assuredly not from your hip joint.  SI joint symptoms are uniformly in the back.  That pain can radiate around the outside of your hip and sometimes down to knee level.  If this pain goes below your knee, then it a BACK problem.

Sacroiliac arthritis is a diagnosis of EXCLUSION.  Just seeing some narrowing of the joint on X-ray or a little uptake on bone scan does not mean that your pain originates there.  All of us old guys have those findings!

Sorry, not trying to jump in too much here, but I'm concerned that the first diagnostic test your doc orders is a bone scan.  Not something I order for buttock pain too often and only after a lot of other tests are inconclusive.  What kind of physical examination did he perform on you?  Just saying'
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Straightgrain

Be prepared sir,

Nerve Damage is next to impossible to cure; if for example, a person is a tough guy and decides to ignore the L/B and hip pain for (let's say) 2+ decades, where one or more leaking disks causes/allows the spinal fluid to leak and inflame the sciatic nerve long enough...., scar tissue eventually-forms where the nerve passes through the hip (friction), so while injections to plug the leaks and surgery (to widen the hole in the hip) stop the primary-irritation they cannot necessarily take away the pain associated with the scar tissue on the nerve.

Looking back to my discovery process; having air pumped into my spine to locate the leaking disk (Discogram?) was the worst God-awesome pain I ever experience, and a spoke a few bad words that day. The electrical test for carpal tunnel syndrome were the second-most painful; the lights at the VA dimmed when he flipped the switch. ;D

Even with the help from the medical professionals, I still have to eat right, stretch, and maintain the other life-style changes. 

Be prepared sir. 
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Woodhauler

Quote from: doctorb on March 22, 2015, 04:15:51 PM
First, Sacroliliac arthritis is common, but usually not debilitating.

Second, I have absolutely no idea how a bone scan is going to make or break this diagnosis.

Third, when necessary, SI injections are performed and can help.

Fourth, hip joint symptoms are 99% in the front of the joint, your groin.  If your symptoms are in the butt, they are almost assuredly not from your hip joint.  SI joint symptoms are uniformly in the back.  That pain can radiate around the outside of your hip and sometimes down to knee level.  If this pain goes below your knee, then it a BACK problem.

Sacroiliac arthritis is a diagnosis of EXCLUSION.  Just seeing some narrowing of the joint on X-ray or a little uptake on bone scan does not mean that your pain originates there.  All of us old guys have those findings!

Sorry, not trying to jump in too much here, but I'm concerned that the first diagnostic test your doc orders is a bone scan.  Not something I order for buttock pain too often and only after a lot of other tests are inconclusive.  What kind of physical examination did he perform on you?  Just saying'
Well changing doctors! The one i went to is out of my insurance network! Going bto the same place that is working on my hands. Big ortho practice that comes highly recommened. The hand doc is the one who said my xrays on my hip was good.
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sandsawmill14

they will have to do MRI to check for soft tissue damage in the joint. unless they find something obvious dont let them pass off on the hip because of  x-ray. they thought it was my daughters back and several other things before we finally went to Vanderbuilt U hospital  found the problem (torn/detached labrum) (i cant spell)
surgery fixed it now the other 1 is next. when asked where it hurt she would point to the side of her hip and say it hurt "deep" right in the center and up into her back. Maybe they will find your trouble soon
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red

I would keep a Daily Journal . . How you felt in morning scale of 1-10 pain levels then what activities etc etc
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Woodhauler

Quote from: doctorb on March 22, 2015, 04:15:51 PM
First, Sacroliliac arthritis is common, but usually not debilitating.

Second, I have absolutely no idea how a bone scan is going to make or break this diagnosis.

Third, when necessary, SI injections are performed and can help.

Fourth, hip joint symptoms are 99% in the front of the joint, your groin.  If your symptoms are in the butt, they are almost assuredly not from your hip joint.  SI joint symptoms are uniformly in the back.  That pain can radiate around the outside of your hip and sometimes down to knee level.  If this pain goes below your knee, then it a BACK problem.

Sacroiliac arthritis is a diagnosis of EXCLUSION.  Just seeing some narrowing of the joint on X-ray or a little uptake on bone scan does not mean that your pain originates there.  All of us old guys have those findings!

Sorry, not trying to jump in too much here, but I'm concerned that the first diagnostic test your doc orders is a bone scan.  Not something I order for buttock pain too often and only after a lot of other tests are inconclusive.  What kind of physical examination did he perform on you?  Just saying'
Well finally got to see the new doc today, did lots of bending things and prodding, he says sacroiliac joint. Did some sort of a push test on my side/back area and it set it off big time. Going to get shots in the joint to start with.
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Woodhauler

Having a nice night of not sleeping! Beenup for  hour and half now waiting for pain to slow down!
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SawyerBrown

WoodHauler, have you ever tried BioFreeze?  It's a lot like BenGay but seems to work a lot better for me.  And of course Aleve.
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Woodhauler

Spent 2 hours in doctors today, ended up with a sacrolliaic joint injection. hope it does some good!
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mometal77

Have you tried Lyrica low dosage?  Plus U tube some chiro practors post even ways to flex and move the arms for carpel tunnel which helps me out.  pharmacydiscountnetwork I ran into an old timer who told me about this place for cheaper pills.  Just an fyi if you dont have coverage. They send you two cards for free in the mail. Hope it helps.
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Woodhauler

Quote from: Woodhauler on April 16, 2015, 05:21:56 PM
Spent 2 hours in doctors today, ended up with a sacrolliaic joint injection. hope it does some good!
Seems to be alittle better today. !
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doctorb

Did the doc just do it on an examining table in his office or did you go to a radiology suite and have it done under x-ray control.  i.e. fluoroscopy or CT scan??
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Woodhauler

Did it under xray control. Seems to be much better today.
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doctorb

Some docs give "SI Joint Injections" in their office without X-ray guidance.  It's a tough joint to get a needle into, so I would be wary of doing it without X-ray.  Glad you're better.
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Woodhauler

Quote from: doctorb on April 19, 2015, 09:41:13 PM
Some docs give "SI Joint Injections" in their office without X-ray guidance.  It's a tough joint to get a needle into, so I would be wary of doing it without X-ray.  Glad you're better.
They told me a week before i felt full effects of the treatment. Thursday will be a week. Seems to be better by the day!!
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doctorb

excellent.  Yes.  Maximum effects of joint steroid injections are felt usually at 7-10 days.
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Woodhauler

Still in pain, only had a few days that it wasn't noticeable! Guess I will live with it! Oh, losing weight again to see if this helps. Going to drop 50 pounds.
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luvmexfood

I dropped 25 lbs and lowered my sodium intake and it did wonders for my BP. Plus I can see my feet again.
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