230D timberjack project

[ilog4u2]

Well... I bought myself a project, it is my first older timberjack. I got it home and put it in the shop, full of leaves ,sticks and grease! It had no brakes, crank seal leak, cab was full of debris, overall a mess. I've spent many hours already cleaning and fixing. I've so far enjoyed myself with keeping busy at it because I have no logs to cut right now.

  

  

 

[Mooseknuckle]

Congrates with joining Team Timberjack !!!   I'm currently going to town on a 65 TJ 230. Great little project thats going to operate and look sweet when finished.  Just taking my time as its a new beast to me!!

[ilog4u2]

Thanks Mooseknuckle!...my pics seem to be distorted (stretched), this is a '77, the tires are actually 18.4/34's but they look funny in the pics ; :D , I just came in from outside, power washing for 4 hrs..Big improvement, it finally warmed up today above freezing for the first time since I got it home.

[Lumberjohn]

Looks terrific from what I can see of it. Definitely not a basket case.

[ilog4u2]

Definitely not. It was an everyday user,but it was in need of lots a love! Gear lube getting into the brake assembly and also the front driveshaft seals leaking slinging 80-90  all over. I pulled the winch off so I could do the repairs easier.

[ilog4u2]

 

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[thecfarm]

Looks good.
@ilog4u2, Are these pictures from a phone? If they are I'm no help. But there is a crop and rotate under each picture where you add the picture to a post.

[ilog4u2]

Ipad... My dad used to say..(too  soon old, too late smart)

[David-L]

Easy on and Easy off, right axles and planetaries under that machine. Nice find and good luck. cant' wait to hear about the progress. Pics are great for us Jack fans.

[ilog4u2]

Thanks David! I,ve learned a lot already from you just by ready your posts. This skidder has an Allison automatic transmission. I have a guy coming to adjust the rack on it today.

[Neilo]

For the transfer case, a NP200 rebuild kit will work if you need one. If just seals, those from NP205 fit, or just buy on size.

[ilog4u2]

Thanks Nielo, I was able to find parts and I've already got the transfer case resealed and a new brake kit and wheel cylinder installed. I forgot to take pics of it before I put it back together. ;D. I also relined the parking brake, so it's all new and clean.

[lopet]

Congratulations to your " new " jack.  But as nobody else has asked, what's the story with that deere in your avatar ?
Or did I miss anything ?

[ilog4u2]

The 340D? That's my baby! , I've been skidding with that one. Very nice running and working skidder.

[lopet]

Uuuuh, a 340 D, I think that would be a hot seller on this forum, and pretty sharp looking too.  Got some more pics ?
But now i have to ask again , why a old jack ?  ;D   Just because you always wanted one ? Cheap back up skidder ? Or looking for a fixer upper ? Sorry about all the questions, just curious.

[ilog4u2]

Uhh... Pretty much all of the above.. :D, this skidder comes with a story... So I'm gonna fix it up really nice, drag some wood and see how I like it. I'm very tall and getting old. Everyone says I'll love the one step up and in, plus it has more HP than the 340. There are 2 more pics of the deere in my gallery. One is before I painted it.

[tantoy]

Love the look of the older 225, 230 with the tall 34" rubber. I could see my self dragging one home for my next project if I found one close/priced right.

[sandersen]

Great project...I'm restoring a 66 230c. Lotta fun.  I sense a movement in restoring old cable skidders much like restoring old tractors.  Well worth it for sure.  Good luck.

[ilog4u2]

I think it's definitely worth it! ,and I think your right. Because of the price of new stuff, you can put a lot of time, effort and money into one and it does the same job. Even new equipment breaks down. Also you really get to know it when you do your own repairs.

[ilog4u2]

I'm considering swapping out the 353 Detroit with a 4bt. Has anyone on FF have any experience with doing one? I'm just not a fan of the leaky,noisy Detroit. I got a chance to drag some wood with it, powerful and fast. This skidder is an automatic,Allison transmission. Any suggestions or advice would be greatly appreciated.

[so il logger]

I have heard of it done before. One thing that comes to mind would be will your existing torque work? The variations of engines may not allow it to lock up as soon as it would with the detroit  ??? And it may work fine but definately a question worth looking into. I put a larger muffler on my jack with the 353 and it made it a whole lot quieter.

[ilog4u2]

 

 
I've been working on the 230, Too cold for me lately. I pulled the Detroit out today too. It either has to be resealed or I'm gonna put the 4BT in.

[lopet]

Do you need a different bell housing to mate the 4bt ?

[ilog4u2]

 

 

The 4BT that I have has the proper adapter plate for the Allison. My bigger concern right now is the motor mounts. I'm Not clever enough to think of something on my own, so I'd like to find some pics or maybe a parts diagram of when timberjack started using these. ( if they ever did)... Also the drive line for the hydraulic pump.

[MT logger]

I had an 1988 240A with the 4bta it was a 3 speed power shift  I don't remember the make. I converted a Garrett 21 to a 4bt last spring, the hardest part was finding a new position for every thing. I plan on converting a 230d with 4speed next.

[jnicol6600]

Nice project. With the price of equipment these days this seems like a good way to go. You'll definitely know what you have.

[bwilliams]

Hello,been snowed in and reading over the forum and seen your project. I owned a jack just like that once and it was a jewel! A 79 model. Its wheel base is a little longer in the front,its front half later became the start of the 240e  and super e. You could get ahold of a salvage yard,lik+se schafers in Illinois,and get rear engine mounts of any A model with a cummins,they will bolt right to your bellhousing,then,enlarge holes in skidder frame to accepas t the A model a nd up rubber mounts. Far
As hydraulic pump it will require an auxiliary drive on front cover,under injection pump,as your one on detroit was on the rear. You can find one off a junked knuckleboom that has a cummins

[so il logger]

Yes, schaffer enterprise at wolf lake illinois is a good place to find used part's.

[RunningRoot]

Ilog,
You will have you one nice skidder in the end.. this is what I'm "planning" to do with my C4D if I do not purchase another skidder, I'm looking at one right now which will be a project  itself if I get it, but it's a lot newer and nicer and bigger then my current  skidder is..  Its gonna be a big gamble for me but its like they say "you can't win if you don't roll the dice" lol

if there's any way possible you can make that 4BT work, go for it !! A 4BT is what I was wanting to put in mine but found a John Deere 239T instead...

good luck and keep us posted with plenty of pics, we like pics lol

[ilog4u2]

Thanks guys for your input. I'm thinking that the bell housing / adapter that I have is not what timberjack used. Mine has no place for a motor  mount. I might be looking for the right bell housing too. I will try Shaeffer's tomorrow. I've also pulled the blade and walking beam out and ordered parts for a full rebuild. Pins bushings etc. Tough job! All the blade pins were seized up and had to be sawed in 3 pieces to get off. 

 

[ilog4u2]

Well, after getting all the pieces painted this summer, I'm finally getting going again on my project. I've replaced the walking beam pins and weldment bushings, along with the dozer blade's. I found the right adapter plate for the 4BT, as well as the hydraulic pump and pump drive. so il logger brought up the torque converter issue, but I've drove it around the yard here and it's gonna work just dandee!  ;D. I made the fan shroud, and I raised the rear firewall 3 inches for clearance , 

  

  the turbo being higher on the Cummings. The hoods wil be next. They too will need some tweaking ,not sure yet how I'm gonna work that out.

[Logger RK]

It's looking good.

[tantoy]

Awesome! I love Detroit's, but that's just cool!

[David-L]

Ilog4u2, was the 353 longer than the 4bt as far as block length goes. If I keep my 225TJ long enough for a motor swap I would like to do the same. mines a standard shift. Nice job and a sweet Timberjack.



 

[ilog4u2]

Thanks guys...
       David, The 4bt is actually about an inch shorter than the Detroit! And yours being a standard shift should be no problem. Somebody makes an adapter plate for your transmission I'm sure. Besides the engine itself, the hydraulic pump and drive was the pricey part of the swap.

[bushmechanic]

 Just curious ilog4u2 are you sure that is a 230D ? I'm looking at that front frame and it looks too long to be a 230, looks more like a 240. You said the 4BT was an inch shorter but there is an awful long fan shroud on that machine, a 230 one is only an inch or two long. Good job with the engine swap!

[ilog4u2]

Hello,been snowed in and reading over the forum and seen your project. I owned a jack just like that once and it was a jewel! A 79 model. Its wheel base is a little longer in the front,its front half later became the start of the 240e  and super e. You could get ahold of a salvage yard,lik+se schafers in Illinois,and get rear engine mounts of any A model with a cummins,they will bolt right to your bellhousing,then,enlarge holes in skidder frame to accepas t the A model a nd up rubber mounts. Far
As hydraulic pump it will require an auxiliary drive on front cover,under injection pump,as your one on detroit was on the rear. You can find one off a junked knuckleboom that has a cummins

I believe he's right about this. Also another knowledgable timber jack guy told me the same thing. I've seen a '84 240A with the same frame and long fan shroud myself. Plenty of room is a good problem to have as opposed to not enough. Thanks for the kind words,Bushmechanic.

[Wood butcher]

I have a 230E that has the long fan shroud and the very same hyd. resivour,plates etc.   Was told the only diff between 230 and 240 was 353 vs 453 ?

[ilog4u2]

Finally!! Just finished installing new air cleaner parts and adjusted the shift delay on the trans. Pulled a firewood top from the back 40. Fast and quiet.

[coxy]

job well done indeed  8) 8)  that's a 25k skidder all day long   

[tantoy]

I love it, so much cooler than any hot rod project! Nice job!

[David-L]

Very well done. That thing is mint. The Cummins is real nice as my new machine has one and I love it. Great job. Pics from the woods would be cool.If some one could do two or three of those a year You could ask what you want for $ as they don't make small anymore.

[ilog4u2]

Thanks guys,
    I would like to do a little more with the exhaust. I see on yours ,David , a protector/ cover over a muffler?  The wide spark arrestor does nothing as far as I'm concerned.

[timberlinetree]

Nice job! Actually REALLY nice job!

[sandersen]

Beautiful!!  Congratulations...love to see the ole girls made new.  Good luck and have fun.  I'm envious.

[Jr green]

If you don't mind me ask8ng, I am doing the very same project. Having a little trouble finding the hydraulic pump and drive, where did you get yours or part numbers?..

[Puffergas]

Outstanding Timbjack! I would be happy to take that old leaky 353 off your hands..... 😉

[danbuendgen]

Was told the only diff between 230 and 240 was 353 vs 453 ?

All the 240s have the Eaton hubs and rears. Most the 230 have Rockwell. And the Gearmatic winch on a 240. And the 453 or 4BTA. Over all the 240 is heavier and has more power. Winch has a lot more nut the on a 240 compared to a 230. I have operated both, and a 240 is a good step up in power and stability.