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Started by Tree Dan, January 15, 2015, 04:37:06 PM

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so il logger

I use a 7/32 on .375 and .404 Except for stihl RM chain. I have found that 13/64 does work well on the RM

Tree Dan

I have been busy digging out trash metal from some nice Black Cherry ;D
I haven't had time to get the saw yet...the weather up here has been nice,
so I was picking up some free wood and doing a bit of sawing on the lt40.

If I were just looking for a saw to trim up for the mill I would for sure get the Stihl 661.
And put a 36 bar on it for falling and the 50" for trimming up.

But the way I look at it if I have a big 50" plus Oak to fall I think the 880 will be the saw I would grab before the 661...But Im sure we can all agree the 661 will drop a 50" oak as well.

Im going to use it for slabbing as well, so this is why im leaning towards the 880...and plus I gotss muscels ;D
Wood Mizer LT40HD, Kubota KX71, New Holland LS150, Case TR270
6400 John Deere/with loader,General 20" planer, Stihl 880, Stihl 361, Dolmar 460, Husqvarna 50  and a few shovels,
60" and 30" Log Rite cant hooks, 2 home built Tree Spades, Homemade log splitter

Al_Smith

Quote from: terrifictimbersllc on January 19, 2015, 08:57:48 PM
If that's addressed to me I am using a bandsaw. My MS660 was stolen 2 weeks  .

No I wasn't taking a shot at you .That  was a random statement .Random ducked the shot and it hit you.

Really somebody was worried about kerf and somebody else about drop starting a saw.Simple as that . ;D

terrifictimbersllc

Quote from: Al_Smith on January 20, 2015, 09:13:39 PM
Quote from: terrifictimbersllc on January 19, 2015, 08:57:48 PM
If that's addressed to me I am using a bandsaw. My MS660 was stolen 2 weeks  .

No I wasn't taking a shot at you .That  was a random statement .Random ducked the shot and it hit you.

Really somebody was worried about kerf and somebody else about drop starting a saw.Simple as that . ;D
fudd-smiley             hurt_smiley             :D
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4x4American

One can drop start a saw with a big bar, just rest the bar on a log and hold rear handle with right hand and pull starter with left hand.  If you set the chain brake you won't have any problems, if you don't set the chain brake you prolly be fine as long as the saw is warm and you don't have it on high idle or any choke set. 
*Disclaimer, I do not take responsibility for your actions, I don't recommend you drop start a saw, and do not try this at home.  Always wear protection.*
Boy, back in my day..

HolmenTree

My 090AV has so much compression I'd break the starter if I didn't use the decomp. These 090 decomp valve buttons don't lock down and have to be held down with your thumb of your left hand that grips the top handle, with your foot in the rear handle on the ground.
No chain brake on 090 saws either, just a hand guard as mine is the newest model. With the 5 ft b/c it's best to rest the tip on a log or stump to prevent dulling the chain in the dirt when starting cold on fast idle.

Not a drop start friendly saw :D 
Making a living with a saw since age 16.

terrifictimbersllc

Quote from: HolmenTree on January 21, 2015, 03:30:17 PM
My 090AV has so much compression I'd break the starter if I didn't use the decomp. These 090 decomp valve buttons don't lock down and have to be held down with your thumb of your left hand that grips the top handle, with your foot in the rear handle on the ground.
No chain brake on 090 saws either, just a hand guard as mine is the newest model. With the 5 ft b/c it's best to rest the tip on a log or stump to prevent dulling the chain in the dirt when starting cold on fast idle.

Not a drop start friendly saw :D
'zactly.  :o  But once it's running, and you're heading toward the big wood with it, it is very friendly.  :)
DJ Hoover, Terrific Timbers LLC,  Mystic CT Woodmizer Million Board Foot Club member. 2019 LT70 Super Wide 55 Yanmar,  LogRite fetching arch, WM BMS250 sharpener/BMT250 setter.  2001 F350 7.3L PSD 6 spd manual ZF 4x4 Crew Cab Long Bed

Tree Dan

Terrific...maybe you should get the 880 and I grab the 661 :D and you can sell me the Peterson slabber  :D
Or I may just order the 880 and the 661 and be done with it :new_year:
Oh momma would be happy with me, when she walks in the shop and sees me polishing up 2 brand new freight trains.
Wood Mizer LT40HD, Kubota KX71, New Holland LS150, Case TR270
6400 John Deere/with loader,General 20" planer, Stihl 880, Stihl 361, Dolmar 460, Husqvarna 50  and a few shovels,
60" and 30" Log Rite cant hooks, 2 home built Tree Spades, Homemade log splitter

4x4American

Well come on into the 21st century and try some of these new saws!   ;D

Not bashing the 090, it's a classic saw.  I love the old saws.  I still run some old girls. Homelite SXL, 041av, 045av and an 056 mag II when I get a wild hair.  I try to keep fresh gas in em.  I am glad I have them, and I do run them, but I pick up the 660, 461, 066, and 362 much more frequently. 
Boy, back in my day..

clww

Quote from: 4x4American on January 21, 2015, 02:09:19 PM
One can drop start a saw with a big bar, just rest the bar on a log and hold rear handle with right hand and pull starter with left hand.  If you set the chain brake you won't have any problems, if you don't set the chain brake you prolly be fine as long as the saw is warm and you don't have it on high idle or any choke set. 
*Disclaimer, I do not take responsibility for your actions, I don't recommend you drop start a saw, and do not try this at home.  Always wear protection.*
Unless you have an 090, like mine, that has no chain brake. No way to start it without pushing, and holding, the decomp button. Now I drop-start my 084s . I always engage the chain brake on every saw that has one prior to starting.
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4x4American

I dont have an 090.  Ive seen one at a chainsaw gtg, but didnt run it.  Sounds like you need to use both hands and both feet to start it  :D
Boy, back in my day..

sawguy21

Ah, the 090. When men were men and trees were scared. ;D I hated trying to start them when they came into the shop without the b&c, without being able to rest the bar on a log they would twist in my hand. A mill we did service for ran them with a 24" bar for trimming at the barker, I had to reposition the governor spring to keep them from over revving. The operators couldn't lean on them hard enough to bog down.
old age and treachery will always overcome youth and enthusiasm

terrifictimbersllc

Met a tree guy on a sawing job today.  Has an 880.  He also just lost his 660 (like me) and a half dozen other saws (not like me) in a theft from his truck.   Told him I was deciding between 880 and 660 where I wanted mostly to reach in with a long bar-36, 41, 50"-  for trimming flare off, and quartering logs 36" and up.  His advice was go for the 880, hands down.  He really likes his, much better than the 084/088 which he lost. 
DJ Hoover, Terrific Timbers LLC,  Mystic CT Woodmizer Million Board Foot Club member. 2019 LT70 Super Wide 55 Yanmar,  LogRite fetching arch, WM BMS250 sharpener/BMT250 setter.  2001 F350 7.3L PSD 6 spd manual ZF 4x4 Crew Cab Long Bed

terrifictimbersllc

Went for the MS880 today.   Only $600 more.   Maybe I can answer the OP's question in a few weeks.  Thanks for your replies. 
DJ Hoover, Terrific Timbers LLC,  Mystic CT Woodmizer Million Board Foot Club member. 2019 LT70 Super Wide 55 Yanmar,  LogRite fetching arch, WM BMS250 sharpener/BMT250 setter.  2001 F350 7.3L PSD 6 spd manual ZF 4x4 Crew Cab Long Bed

4x4American

Congrats!  Make sure it has the scabbard on if it's sleeping next to you tonight  :D
Boy, back in my day..

terrifictimbersllc

Ha ha he said he'd order it wednesday after the storm is over.
DJ Hoover, Terrific Timbers LLC,  Mystic CT Woodmizer Million Board Foot Club member. 2019 LT70 Super Wide 55 Yanmar,  LogRite fetching arch, WM BMS250 sharpener/BMT250 setter.  2001 F350 7.3L PSD 6 spd manual ZF 4x4 Crew Cab Long Bed

4x4American

Hopefully it's one of them new dan fangled one piece scabbards
Boy, back in my day..

Tree Dan

Quote from: terrifictimbersllc on January 26, 2015, 05:24:29 PM
Went for the MS880 today.   Only $600 more.   Maybe I can answer the OP's question in a few weeks.  Thanks for your replies.

Perfect...I will be here waiting.
What bars have you got to go with the new saw?
I think You made the right decission for just the extra 600 bucks.
Wood Mizer LT40HD, Kubota KX71, New Holland LS150, Case TR270
6400 John Deere/with loader,General 20" planer, Stihl 880, Stihl 361, Dolmar 460, Husqvarna 50  and a few shovels,
60" and 30" Log Rite cant hooks, 2 home built Tree Spades, Homemade log splitter

terrifictimbersllc

Ordered the MS880 with a 30" sprocket nose.   Figured that would cover most of my bandsawing log flare needs.
Have a 30" large mount Stihl hard nose already but like to keep that in the shop to file and work on slabber chain.
Have a pretty new 41" Stihl sprocket nose (404).
Will consider whether to get a 50" Cannon or the 59" Stihl after I do some quartering of larger logs with the 41" in the next several months. 

Inventoried my 404/063 chains which can be called into service on the new saw for flare trimming and/or quartering logs:
3-30"   OR27 (semi chisel), in good shape
1-30" Stihl 46RS (chisel) coming with the new saw
2-30" OR52 filed at 90 degrees used earlier for ripping, half used. Another amount of this chain could make up 4 more loops of 30".
2-41"  OR27, half used
2-41"  Carlton 43RP (full comp ripping chain), looks like OR27 but 10 degrees, enough to make two loops of 41"
An amount of  OR27AX (semi chisel skip), new, enough to make up a loop of 41, 50 or 59"

Looks like I got my 30" needs covered for a bit.
Wondering what to order for some more loops of 41", or maybe a 100' roll of a skip chain that would serve 41, 50, or 59"?
DJ Hoover, Terrific Timbers LLC,  Mystic CT Woodmizer Million Board Foot Club member. 2019 LT70 Super Wide 55 Yanmar,  LogRite fetching arch, WM BMS250 sharpener/BMT250 setter.  2001 F350 7.3L PSD 6 spd manual ZF 4x4 Crew Cab Long Bed

kensfarm

I looked at the 880 the other day at the dealer..  it is huge compared to the 660 magnum I was drooling over.  Congrats on your purchase. 

4x4American

Yea that's a big powerhead to only be pulling a 30" bar.
Boy, back in my day..

HolmenTree

How about a 17"-.404 b/c I put on my 090AV for giggles. :D



 
Making a living with a saw since age 16.

terrifictimbersllc

Quote from: HolmenTree on January 28, 2015, 11:31:45 AM
How about a 17"-.404 b/c I put on my 090AV for giggles. :D



 
Little pinkie!  :)

Use skip chain with that?
DJ Hoover, Terrific Timbers LLC,  Mystic CT Woodmizer Million Board Foot Club member. 2019 LT70 Super Wide 55 Yanmar,  LogRite fetching arch, WM BMS250 sharpener/BMT250 setter.  2001 F350 7.3L PSD 6 spd manual ZF 4x4 Crew Cab Long Bed

weimedog

Quote from: HolmenTree on January 28, 2015, 11:31:45 AM
How about a 17"-.404 b/c I put on my 090AV for giggles. :D



 

A "New York" saw.... at least when I lived in Colorado that's what that would have been called... Sort along the same lines of logic of a "Texas Heart Shot".

(New York Saw = Big attitude, little bar)

Of course now I live in New York..... ::)
Husqvarna 365sp/372xpw Blend, Jonsered 2171 51.4mm XPW build,562xp HTSS, 560 HTSS, 272XP, 61/272XP, 555, 257, 242, 238, Homelite S-XL 925, XP-1020A, Super XL (Dad's saw); Jonsered 2094, Three 920's, CS-2172, Solo 603; 3 Huztl MS660's (2 54mm and 1 56mm)

Tree Dan

Quote from: HolmenTree on January 28, 2015, 11:31:45 AM
How about a 17"-.404 b/c I put on my 090AV for giggles. :D



 
That saws a keeper for sure..a little nose heavy :D
Wood Mizer LT40HD, Kubota KX71, New Holland LS150, Case TR270
6400 John Deere/with loader,General 20" planer, Stihl 880, Stihl 361, Dolmar 460, Husqvarna 50  and a few shovels,
60" and 30" Log Rite cant hooks, 2 home built Tree Spades, Homemade log splitter

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