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Started by Magicman, December 23, 2014, 12:00:38 PM

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sandsawmill14

mm thats some good looking lumber :) 
theres somewhere around 5-6000 bd ft of this red oak and then i will be on pine for AWHILE he said there is about 20 tt loads :o of it from 12' long up to 16' and some tree length but they will cut it up for me  ;) i dont like tree length logs i always end up with a few 14' logs and they just dont work out to good on the chain or on the trucks ::) but it aint nothing to cry about just glad to have plenty logs :)
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sandsawmill14

ishobie good looking log pile  smiley_thumbsup looks like you need some dry weather to let you get started :)
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lshobie

Quote from: sandsawmill14 on April 27, 2016, 08:26:32 PM
ishobie good looking log pile  smiley_thumbsup looks like you need some dry weather to let you get started :)

Hopefully in 2 weeks the road will be good.  I said that 2 weeks ago...and 2 weeks before that though:)  But the snow is gone now and is drying up fast.  Should be over 200 spruce sawlogs and then we start building the cedar pile.
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sandsawmill14

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4x4American

Now is todays mystery log short leaf pine?  We sawed one of them at Jake's ifen I can merember correct like
Boy, back in my day..

Jim_Rogers

A few days ago, or so, I posted this picture:



 

Well, he emailed me today to say he found a sawyer who would do it by the hour instead of paying me by the bdft.

I hope his job comes out alright.

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Magicman

QuoteNow is todays mystery log short leaf pine?
No, I am very familiar with both Shortleaf and Loblolly Pine.  This was neither.

It's either Longleaf or Slash Pine.  Both are out of my normal sawing area, (and so am I).  I am leaning toward it being Slash Pine.  All of the Longleaf that I have ever sawn was sticky/sappy.  I have never knowingly sawn Slash Pine.  I was intrigued by the platey bark.  The customer like the unique lumber.
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WDH

If it is shortleaf pine, there will be little dimples on the bark, called pitch pockets.

The platey leans me toward slash.  No way to tell for sure unless there are the pitch pockets, which would mean shortleaf.  . 
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4x4American

We have pitch pine up nort, and that's the closest I'd say it looks like to for us...


Did you try asking it what kind of log it is?
Boy, back in my day..

WLC

Magicman, your mystery log looks like slash pine to me too.  Been a long time since I've seen one up close and personal though.
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Kbeitz

I keep hearing Pine tree names on here that I never heard before.
So I looked some up... Wow... Never knew there was so many pines.


Pinus densata - Sikang Pine
Pinus densiflora - Japanese Red Pine
Pinus fragilissima - Pinus fragilissima
Pinus heldreichii - Bosnian Pine
Pinus henryi - Henry's Pine
Pinus hwangshanensis - Huangshan Pine
Pinus kesiya - Khasi Pine
Pinus luchuensis - Luchu Pine
Pinus massoniana - Masson's Pine
Pinus mugo - Mountain Pine
Pinus nigra - European Black Pine
Pinus resinosa - Red Pine
Pinus sylvestris - Scots Pine
Pinus tabuliformis - Chinese Red Pine
Pinus taiwanensis - Taiwan Red Pine
Pinus thunbergii - Japanese Black Pine
Pinus tropicalis - Tropical Pine
Pinus yunnanensis - Yunnan Pine
•Section Pinea - Mediterranean pines
◦Subsection Pineae
Pinus pinea - Stone Pine
◦Subsection Pinaster
Pinus brutia - Turkish Pine
Pinus canariensis - Canary Island Pine
Pinus halepensis - Aleppo Pine
Pinus latteri - Tenasserim Pine
Pinus merkusii - Sumatran Pine
Pinus pinaster - Maritime Pine
Pinus roxburghii - Chir Pine
•Section Trifoliae - American hard pines
◦Subsection Leiophyllae - Mexico, southwestern United States
Pinus leiophylla - Chihuahua Pine
Pinus lumholtzii - Lumholtz's Pine
◦Subsection Australes - North America, Central America, Caribbean
Pinus caribaea - Caribbean Pine
Pinus clausa - Sand Pine
Pinus cubensis - Cuban Pine
Pinus echinata - Shortleaf Pine
Pinus elliottii - Slash Pine
Pinus glabra - Spruce Pine
Pinus occidentalis - Hispaniolan Pine
Pinus palustris - Longleaf Pine
Pinus pungens - Table Mountain Pine
Pinus rigida - Pitch Pine
Pinus serotina - Pond Pine
Pinus taeda - Loblolly Pine
Pinus virginiana - Virginia Pine
◦Subsection Contortae - North America
Pinus banksiana - Jack Pine
Pinus contorta - Lodgepole Pine
Pinus matthewsii † - Pinus matthewsii - (extinct) Pliocene, Yukon Territory, Canada
◦Subsection Oocarpae - Central America, Mexico, western United States.
Pinus attenuata - Knobcone Pine
Pinus foisyi † - Pinus foisyi (extinct)
Pinus greggii - Gregg's Pine
Pinus herrerae - Herrera's Pine
Pinus jaliscana - Jalisco Pine
Pinus lawsonii - Lawson's Pine
Pinus muricata - Bishop Pine
Pinus oocarpa - Egg-cone Pine
Pinus patula - Patula Pine
Pinus praetermissa - McVaugh's Pine
Pinus pringlei - Pringle's Pine
Pinus radiata - Monterey Pine
Pinus tecunumanii - Tecun Uman Pine
Pinus teocote - Ocote Pine
◦Subsection Ponderosae - Central America, Mexico, western United States and southwest Canada.
Pinus apulcensis - Apulco Pine
Pinus arizonica - Arizona Pine
Pinus cooperi - Cooper's Pine
Pinus coulteri - Coulter Pine
Pinus devoniana - Michoacan Pine
Pinus durangensis - Durango Pine
Pinus engelmannii - Apache Pine
Pinus hartwegii - Hartweg's Pine
Pinus jeffreyi - Jeffrey Pine
Pinus johndayensis † - Pinus johndayensis - (extinct) Oligocene
Pinus maximinoi - Thinleaf Pine
Pinus montezumae - Montezuma Pine
Pinus ponderosa - Ponderosa Pine
Pinus pseudostrobus - Smooth-bark Mexican Pine
Pinus sabiniana - Gray Pine
Pinus torreyana - Torrey Pine
•Subgenus Strobus includes the white and soft wood pine trees.
•Section Quinquefoliae (section Strobus): white pines
◦Subsection Strobi - North America, Central America, Europe and Asia
Pinus amamiana - Yakushima White Pine
Pinus armandii - Chinese White Pine
Pinus ayacahuite - Mexican White Pine
Pinus bhutanica - Bhutan White Pine
Pinus chiapensis - Chiapas Pine
Pinus dabeshanensis - Dabieshan Pine
Pinus dalatensis - Vietnamese White Pine
Pinus eremitana - North Vietnamese White Pine
Pinus fenzeliana - Hainan White Pine
Pinus flexilis - Limber Pine
Pinus lambertiana - Sugar Pine
Pinus morrisonicola - Taiwan White Pine
Pinus monticola - Western White Pine
Pinus orthophylla - Pinus orthophylla
Pinus parviflora - Japanese White Pine
Pinus peuce - Macedonian Pine
Pinus reflexa - Southwestern White Pine, see Pinus flexilis - Limber Pine
Pinus strobiformis - Chihuahua White Pine
Pinus strobus - Eastern White Pine
Pinus stylesii - Pinus stylesii
Pinus wallichiana - Blue Pine
Pinus wangii - Guangdong White Pine
◦Subsection Cembrae - Europe, northern Asia, western North America
Pinus albicaulis - Whitebark Pine
Pinus cembra - Swiss Pine
Pinus koraiensis - Korean Pine
Pinus sibirica - Siberian Pine
Pinus pumila - Siberian Dwarf Pine
•Subgenus Ducampopinus includes the Pinyon, Lacebark and Foxtail Pines.
•Section Parrya
◦Subsection Nelsonianae - northeastern Mexico
Pinus nelsonii - Nelson's Pinyon
◦Subsection Krempfianae - Vietnam
Pinus krempfii Krempf's Pine
◦Subsection Gerardianae - Lacebark pines, Central Asia
Pinus bungeana - Lacebark Pine
Pinus gerardiana - Chilgoza Pine
Pinus squamata - Qiaojia Pine
◦Subsection Rzedowskianae - big-cone pinyons, Mexico
Pinus maximartinezii - Big-cone Pinyon
Pinus pinceana - Weeping Pinyon
Pinus rzedowskii - Rzedowski's Pinyon
◦Subsection Cembroides - Pinyons (Piñons), Mexico, southwest United States.
Pinus cembroides - Mexican Pinyon
Pinus culminicola - Potosi Pinyon
Pinus discolor - Border Pinyon
Pinus edulis - Colorado Pinyon
Pinus johannis - Johann's Pinyon
Pinus monophylla - Single-leaf Pinyon
Pinus orizabensis - Orizaba Pinyon
Pinus quadrifolia - Parry Pinyon
Pinus remota - Texas Pinyon or Papershell Pinyon
◦Subsection Balfourianae - Foxtail pines, southwest United States.
Pinus aristata - Rocky Mountains Bristlecone Pine
Pinus balfouriana - Foxtail Pine
Pinus longaeva - Great Basin Bristlecone Pine


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Magicman

But there are only 5 Pines that are commonly grouped together forming what is accepted as "Southern Yellow Pine".  We lovingly refer to that group as SYP.
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btulloh

MM that bark looks just like Virginia Pine (which is the same as Jersey Pine).  I suspect it's the same as a few other pine names as well.  I don't think Va Pine is one of the 5 species of SYP ??? is it? It looks very much like SYP when you saw it, but it's not as hard and a bit lighter in color.  Maybe a certified pineologist will weigh in. 
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cutterboy

I've been sawing white pine this week. These logs are from two trees I logged off my land last week including that danged tree that split the hickory and got stuck in it. (see "Ooops" on the logging page) A few of the logs were nice and the rest were "ok". The lumber will make good siding, fencing, etc. I mostly saw hardwood, so pine is a change of pace and I rather like it.



 


 


 


 


 


 

I think White Birch will be next.   All the best.....Cutter
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Magicman

After sawing a few known Longleaf Pine logs today, and several more of these, I am convinced that it is Slash Pine, but I have been wrong before.   :)


 
The 1X6 whack continues to grow.


 
Only 11 more logs left to saw tomorrow and the helpers were ready to quit for today.
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Dave Shepard

cutterboy, I see a few really nice logs in that whack.

I cut a couple of pine for timbers this afternoon. Resawd some reclaimed syp tobacco barn timbers yesterday. Very nice boards, but I had to cover up the sawdust with fresh EWP sawdust. That stuff is way too strong for my nose. :D

What's the weather down there Magicman? It was just about perfect up here.
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bkaimwood

Quote from: Magicman on April 27, 2016, 08:01:58 PM
:o That is a very nice whack of Red Oak.   ;D

I am steadily chipping away at my road trip SYP whack.


 
I have sawn ~half of the logs.


 
And the stickered stacks continue to grow.  We will tally at the end of the job.


 
Another Mystery Log?  Yes, it is one of the Southern Yellow Pines.


 
The tree was felled last week.  The lumber had a nice rich color but was not sticky.  This butt log had ~50 growth rings and was ~22" diameter.
Up here, that block bark style pine may be pitch pine, Jack pine, or more commonly Austrian pine...which I have recently found out was planted in stands, pretty heavily, years ago... This Austrian pine saws easy, moderate pitch, with ALOT of stress, despite straight logs and centered piths...and has the strongest pine odor of anything I've sawn...
bk

Jim_Rogers

In my area with bark like that we'd call it "red pine".....or pitch pine.

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Magicman

We only have four Pines that are marketable as SYP.  They are  Loblolly, Longleaf, Shortleaf, and Slash Pine.  The other of our "five" pines is the Fur Pine or Turkey Pine that is abundant in some areas but does not have the structural strength of the other four and does not meet SPIB (Southern Pine Inspection Bureau) specifications.
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Larry

The oak borers kill a tree or two on our place every year.  There all mature trees in the 30" DBH and bigger range.  I took down the tree for the year a couple of months ago.  It was a wolf tree out in the open so there was only one 8' sawlog.  Made a cord or two of firewood.   Been burning slabs on the stump for a week now to eliminate that mowing obstacle.

Kathy suggested it would be cool to have a couple of new beds from a tree off our property so.....

I trimmed down the butt to fit on the mill and planned my cuts.  The black X is the heart check while the other black lines mark my opening cuts.  The red lines trace the rays as I will quarter saw.  I didn't see much promise in the rays but figured the lumber would show a nice but reserved look.

My mill will only go up 30" so I had to make a heavy slab cut on the top.  It will clear 36" through the posts but I have to pull down the log stops.

I had attached a bird feeder to the tree some years ago but removed the bracket before I felled the tree so I'm sure no foreign metal in the log.  Put on a brand new 1 1/2" band...first cut zing right where the bird feeder used to be.  Kathy reminded me the feeder fell off one year and I had to re-attach with new deck screws. :-[ :-[ :-X  I didn't remove the old deck screws.





I didn't scale but I would guess it made 250 bf of quarter and rift sawn.  After edging out the heart check I would guess every board was FAS.  Actually better as they were 100% clear.  Might have been a couple 1c because of deck screws. :-[
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Quote from: Magicman on April 28, 2016, 09:49:41 PM
We only have four Pines that are marketable as SYP.  They are  Loblolly, Longleaf, Shortleaf, and Slash Pine.  The other of our "five" pines is the Fur Pine or Turkey Pine that is abundant in some areas but does not have the structural strength of the other four and does not meet SPIB (Southern Pine Inspection Bureau) specifications.

MM, is what you are calling "fur pine/turkey pine" what I grew up calling Virginia pine or another common name I won't repeat here though?  Never grows a good saw log, always knarley/limbey and good for mostly pulpwood?
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Magicman

There are lots of common names, but it is properly labeled a Spruce Pine, Pinus glabra Walter.  I have never heard them called Virginia Pine.  When the mature SYP was logged out in the early 1900's These were the only Pines left for the turkeys to roost in, hence the name Turkey Pine.

The logs that I have left to saw today would be called dirty/muddy Pine.  I have dulled lotsa blades oon this job. 
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sandsawmill14

mm thats the way the first 1/2 of this red oak was they must have pushed the logs out  ::) cause i dont see any way they could have completely covered the logs dragging with the 2 BIG grapple skidders this crew has ??? with a cable skidder i understand but not with a grapple :)
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fishfighter

Watch the weather MM. DanG more rain coming. :( Got my mill trailer just about finish yesterday. I will not know till I put a 3K log on it if I need to improve it. ;D

Got a question for those that saw off a trailer. Do any of y'all make pads for the stabilizer feet? I am planning on building some that are 12"x12"x2" thick. The feet I added are only 4"x4" and as wet as it is, those pads should help a lot.

My mill now.



 

And of course that DanG dog under my feet. :D

sandsawmill14

fish  i take the jacks off of my mill and set the trailer frame on 7x9 cross ties about 4 1/2 ft long then 4x6 and lumber as need to get the mill level. i support the mill in 4 places right beside where the factory leveling jacks were installed :) the jacks kept breaking off i guess because of the size logs causing the mill to bounce around so much when the loder arms rolled the big hardwood onto the mill i broke of 3 the first month i had the mill and its been on wood blocks ever since :)  i use the leveling jacks to level the mill then put the blocking under it. as a bonus it makes the operators seat ride alot better  when loading and turning big logs too :)
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