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Unknown bushes, two kinds.

Started by Eugene, July 04, 2004, 12:24:35 AM

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Eugene

I have some bushes I can't ID. I can't find my tree book but these aren't trees so it pobably wouldn't help anyway. I brought home a couple samples and scanned them.

The first one has some kind of nut/seed in a flat paper like shell. The bush is about 6 feet high. The leaf stems have three leaflets attached at the end.




The second one has many red berries about 1/4 to 3/8 inch diameter. The leaves are attached in opposing pairs on opposite sides of the branch the whole length of the branch. Not like a locust or walnut. The bush is about 7 feet high.



I would appreciate any help.

Eugene

PS. Any way to edit a photo discription? I spelled the color red as read.

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Tom

while I'm not familiar with either, the first looks like examples of American Bladdernut

Bladdernut link

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Tom

#2
Coast Red Elderberry looks similar, perhaps it is an elderberry.

Ash is pinnately compound but the leaflets are toothed.  I gues it's not ash.

I would almost bet it is a Ligustrum of one sort or another.

Maybe this key will help.

Dichotomous Key

SwampDonkey

Your first shrub is hoptree Ptelea trifoliata

Hoptree link

Your second shrub is a honeysuckle Lonicera sp.
From there it is id'ed by leaf pubescence, hollow pith or not, leaf shape, and buds. Peterson lists 9 honey suckles with red berries. Up here we have fly honeysuckle and bush honeysuckle with red berries and yellow flowers.

Here's a link to Belle's honeysuckle
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forester99

I concur that yes the first species is the Common Hoptree and the second is honeysuckle :)

L. Wakefield

   I would also guess that the honeysuckle is a Tatarian honeysuckle, as they do have the prolific production of red berries. You described it as a bush rather than a vine and that would be another reason to believe it to be the Tatarian honeysuckle. They are obnoxious around here. I cut them back severely.. lw
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SwampDonkey

LW, does Tatarian honeysuckle have berries in mid summer though? The Belle's honesuckle is one that does. I know there's others and the picture being posted in this thread isn't Belle's, because the base of the leaf on Belle's is heart-shaped. Its possible that the species is quite variable as is leaves of tall white lettuce, for example.
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1 Thessalonians 5:21

2020 Polaris Ranger 570 to forward firewood, Husqvarna 555 XT Pro, Stihl FS560 clearing saw and continuously thinning my ground, on the side. Grow them trees. (((o)))

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