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Author Topic: Detroit 3-53 block heater.  (Read 4534 times)

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Re: Detroit 3-53 block heater.
« Reply #20 on: February 13, 2014, 08:04:14 pm »
The block heater is the best route because the heated coolant is right where you need it around the cylinder liner and head. The fitting you are looking for is not there to be seen. In the back of the cylinder head there is a block-off plate, sort of oval with two 3/8 bolts holding it on. You need to remove it and drill it and tap it to put a nipple in it. Also you can plug off that fitting in the water pump,most 353's just have a plug in there anyway.   

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Re: Detroit 3-53 block heater.
« Reply #21 on: February 13, 2014, 08:32:44 pm »
Thanks. In the back of the head facing the operator? I might have to pull the back of the engine compartment off, I tried looking down there, but it's pretty tight. I can see the two round covers on the back, but that was about it. I'll be pushing a foot and a half of snow tomorrow, so I might not get to it until the weekend.
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Re: Detroit 3-53 block heater.
« Reply #22 on: February 13, 2014, 08:44:10 pm »
my block heater is at the front right hand side of the motor behind the secondary fuel filter. my filters are cartridge type and the heater just fit. And yes the 1000watt element needs to be bent. And i would agree with  bushmechanic for short 1/2 to 1 hr heats, the head area up top is the most likely place to try and get warm. I think there is a post with the part # for the heater i purchased for around $60.00. i also heat the primary and secondary fuel filters for a bit with a 1500 watt tile gun heater as the cans are metal and warmer fuel is going to detonate better in these cold temps. my machine has started every morning in these cold temps with about 1hr of prep. my heater looks just like MR. Alfords.

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Re: Detroit 3-53 block heater.
« Reply #23 on: February 13, 2014, 08:48:22 pm »
I saw the pic of your heater, but I don't see that cover on my engine. There is a big bracket for the oil filter below that location, so even if it is there, I couldn't use it. I've got to stick with the tank type heater as I already have it.
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Re: Detroit 3-53 block heater.
« Reply #24 on: February 13, 2014, 08:55:09 pm »
Here is a video for a tank heater, that includes the basics for hose placement and voiding loops that fight the gravity flow of rising warm water.

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Re: Detroit 3-53 block heater.
« Reply #25 on: February 14, 2014, 05:41:31 am »
nice job been there, the info keeps pouring in.

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Re: Detroit 3-53 block heater.
« Reply #26 on: February 14, 2014, 04:49:24 pm »
I found the plate in the back of the head.  I was happy to see that it was as thick as it was, about 3/8". That should take a tapping pretty well. I didn't see it the last time I was up there due to the hood being in the way. I folded it up as far as it would go and then I could see right down in there.

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Re: Detroit 3-53 block heater.
« Reply #27 on: February 15, 2014, 02:32:34 pm »
Took the plate off the back of the head this morning and took it to one of my machinest friends. He popped a hole in it on the Bridgeport and tapped it for me. I have everything here to do it, except for heat in the garage, and  maybe the 45/64" drill bit. :D I eliminated about 4 feet of heater hose running all over the place and also plugged the port in the water pump. The heater is mounted on the right side of the engine, down low, and it runs up to the thermostat housing. Now the entire head will get hot and no 180° loop in the hose. I started the skidder up and ran it around in the field to get it up to temp and hopefully got all the air out. The hoses going to and returning from the new block heater were hot when I got back, so it must be circulating through there by itself. Going to be cold tomorrow, so that will be the test. 35° today and it started with just the slightest squirt of ether, something it wouldn't do until I pumped all the fuel out and put fresh winter fuel out of the farm tank in it.
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Re: Detroit 3-53 block heater.
« Reply #28 on: February 15, 2014, 02:42:05 pm »
Dave, you realize once you get this all hooked up running the predicted global warming we've all been threatened with will kick in.   :D
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Re: Detroit 3-53 block heater.
« Reply #29 on: February 15, 2014, 02:44:16 pm »
Yeah, but I'll be ready for next year. :D I'm glad I can get it started at 20° now with ether, but I'd rather not have to if I can get the genset close enough to plug it in. First job I might be skidding through the woods from my neighbors, so I'll just plug it in at the farm.
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Re: Detroit 3-53 block heater.
« Reply #30 on: February 15, 2014, 04:51:48 pm »
Dave, you realize once you get this all hooked up running the predicted global warming we've all been threatened with will kick in.   :D
Haha I said the same thing to my father when I put the block heater in my 353 he said that would be a small price to pay for some warmer weather!
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Re: Detroit 3-53 block heater.
« Reply #31 on: February 15, 2014, 06:20:20 pm »
I have "spit swappers" on my Clark with a 353. By the time saws are sharpened, chokers hung, hot chocolate finished, it will start easily. Gotta let it idle a while longer so the tranny and hydraulics warm up in the cold. I despise starting fluid and hate to use it unless a last resort.
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Re: Detroit 3-53 block heater.
« Reply #32 on: February 16, 2014, 08:28:55 pm »
I don't think the way I've got the routing of the hoses is working well. After an hour with the block heater running, I got the head really warm, it was up to 175 on the gauge, which is the high limit of the thermostatically controlled block heater. However, the coolant only flows through the head, not the block. I think I need to build a T to go in the lower coolant hose from the radiator and use that as a supply to the block heater. That way the hot coolant enters the back of the head and flows down through the block to the bottom front of the engine. I still had to use ether, but at 15° it did start quickly, once I gave it a very quick squirt. I'm hoping if I can get the coolant flow right that I won't have to use any ether at all.
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Re: Detroit 3-53 block heater.
« Reply #33 on: February 16, 2014, 09:27:24 pm »
Sounds like you are getting closer to a solution. You don't want the hot water to short circuit and take a shortcut back to the heater tank.
Having a cold return line is a good thing, as long as the cold water isn't coming from the radiator, but from a cold place in the block.
Good luck, and hope you find the right design.
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Re: Detroit 3-53 block heater.
« Reply #34 on: February 18, 2014, 06:53:24 pm »
I don't think the way I've got the routing of the hoses is working well. After an hour with the block heater running, I got the head really warm, it was up to 175 on the gauge, which is the high limit of the thermostatically controlled block heater. However, the coolant only flows through the head, not the block. I think I need to build a T to go in the lower coolant hose from the radiator and use that as a supply to the block heater. That way the hot coolant enters the back of the head and flows down through the block to the bottom front of the engine. I still had to use ether, but at 15° it did start quickly, once I gave it a very quick squirt. I'm hoping if I can get the coolant flow right that I won't have to use any ether at all.

I put one on a JD engine. Hooked one end on the head and the other end on the side of the block where the drain is. Took the petcok out and with a few adapters had a place to hook the hose up. The guy I work for told me to hook it up that way. Seems to work well.
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Re: Detroit 3-53 block heater.
« Reply #35 on: February 18, 2014, 06:58:20 pm »
That's what I want to do, but haven't found anywhere down low on the block yet. The installation instructions show an available T that goes in the lower radiator hose. I'd have to make one. The hot coolant would go in the back of the head and the cold would come out the bottom of the engine at the lower radiator hose, so it wouldn't be circulating through the radiator. I am going to keep looking for a plug somewhere down low, before I make a T for the radiator hose. I could also take the cast iron elbow off that the lower hose hooks to and have that drilled and tapped as well. Once I get the coolant circulating through the entire engine, I think this thing should start like summer after a half an hour of heating.
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Re: Detroit 3-53 block heater.
« Reply #36 on: February 21, 2014, 07:22:31 pm »
After much consultation with Detroit gurus and a visitation with another 3-53 that had the same block heater, I have what I call The Other, Other Solution. :D On a friends 3-53, in a Yumbo excavator, he went in to the thermostat housing with the hot side of the block heater, then ran a hose under the engine to the bottom of the oil cooler. There was a petcock there and he replaced it with a pipe nipple. I discovered down under the side of the engine an oil cooler, albeit of a completely different design, with a petcock in the bottom of it. However, you can't actually see the petcock, it's more of a mechanicing by braille situation. ::) I think it's 1/4" pipe, and I have a 1/4" pipe nipple that came with the block heater spare parts kit. Hopefully, I can put a T with a close nipple in the bottom of the oil cooler, and put the petcock back in, and have the nipple for the block heater coming out the side of the T. This will be tomorrows adventure.
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Re: Detroit 3-53 block heater.
« Reply #37 on: February 21, 2014, 08:52:19 pm »
I studied a old AC 3-53 manual the other night and the oil cooler petcock looked like the lowest point.
But I had no idea how yours was configured.

So from the oil cooler to the back of the head with the hot line should give a pretty good circulation.


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Re: Detroit 3-53 block heater.
« Reply #38 on: February 21, 2014, 08:53:09 pm »
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Re: Detroit 3-53 block heater.
« Reply #39 on: February 21, 2014, 09:07:51 pm »
I haven't found two 3-53 engines that are set up the same way yet. :D Yes, I'm hoping the hot coolant enters the back of the head, and then works it's way down to the front bottom of the engine. It's just going to be a trick working down inside the frame. Sometimes I think the engine and transmission should be on a skid that you just unhook the driveshaft and battery cable and lift it out of the frame and put it on the ground to work on. :D
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