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How to find Small Loggers?
« on: January 14, 2014, 11:09:26 am »
Does anyone know a resource where smaller operations can be found/contacted?

I'm talking 10 acre thinnings and clearcuts.  I probably get 5 people a month asking about it in GA and I never know where to send them.

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Re: How to find Small Loggers?
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2014, 11:11:20 am »
Other loggers? I have not seen just a skidder since last year.
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Re: How to find Small Loggers?
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2014, 01:12:51 pm »
Follow the yellow brick road?  :D Sorry, I couldn't help myself.
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Re: How to find Small Loggers?
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2014, 01:36:41 pm »
Kids boot section at TSC??   :D   Seriously, do you have a county forester down there?  I would think either a state / county forester or forest ranger would know about all the active loggers in their area.
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Re: How to find Small Loggers?
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2014, 01:44:50 pm »
Kids boot section at TSC??   :D   Seriously, do you have a county forester down there?  I would think either a state / county forester or forest ranger would know about all the active loggers in their area.

In my experience and through the grapevine, state foresters tend to be pretty far removed from timber sales (by law) in Georgia.  So, I don't have much hope for that route.

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Re: How to find Small Loggers?
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2014, 02:37:58 pm »
If that many people were asking me about it. It would be me! Sounds like a good opertunity to me.
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Re: How to find Small Loggers?
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2014, 02:39:30 pm »
If that many people were asking me about it. It would be me! Sounds like a good opertunity to me.

They're generally spread out across the state and I already have too much other work that keeps me busy.

However, this is definitely an opportunity, I just need to find the right people to take it on.

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Re: How to find Small Loggers?
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2014, 02:53:08 pm »
Find a trustworthy young logger with aspirations of starting his own business and help him along.
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Re: How to find Small Loggers?
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2014, 04:23:31 pm »

However, this is definitely an opportunity, I just need to find the right people to take it on.

Us NIPF's that just want a few acres thinned or harvested are definitely under served. I don't see things going back to chainsaws and pulpwood trucks, but the standard issue logging crew around here is a feller-buncher, 2 grapple skidders and a knuckle boom loader - figure a million dollars minimum invested in equipment, and they need to produce volume.

Does the equipment even exist to make small scale logging profitable in these parts?

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Re: How to find Small Loggers?
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2014, 04:35:25 pm »
I see cable skidders for sale in that area on Craigslist all the time. Someone is doing it.lanier equipment has them listed. Delk. Also. i think one man a cable skidder and a chainsaw can still make a living anywhere there's a forest. Low low overhead.
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Re: How to find Small Loggers?
« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2014, 04:51:33 pm »
If you are a good chopper and can take the time to leave behind a clean job there is defiantly work to be had.  I am a one man operation and don't plan to grow and stay plenty busy.  I am sure there are guys in your area.  Ask around.  Remember though a good logger is a busy logger.

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Re: How to find Small Loggers?
« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2014, 04:53:10 pm »
This begs the question and maybe members here can put together a list of minimum equipment and some methods for a person to get started. Certainly with the idea that there would be some profit doing this.
Any thoughts?

I visualize something on the order of what member Bill_M has for equipment. But even then, moving to a small woods area, logging, moving those logs to market, etc. may have its limitations. Just getting wood to a landing for truck loading may work but that involves more.
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Re: How to find Small Loggers?
« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2014, 06:06:09 pm »
Here in appalatchen hard wood country all you need is a cable skidder and a chain saw.there are trucks around to haul your wood to the mills .i can't see what would be different there.
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Re: How to find Small Loggers?
« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2014, 06:09:41 pm »
I use to do it with a 40 hp tractor.
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Re: How to find Small Loggers?
« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2014, 06:24:33 pm »
There are quarry's near by if yor landing needs stone. There are rental stores if you need a dozer to put a skid road in. You can rent the trucks by the hour if you need sorting done. I started out with a 1964 c4 tree farmer and 2 chain saws doing lot clearing for a friend that has an excavating business. Then people saw me stopped in and asked if I would cut some timber around their house no big logger wanted. I Learned how to cable trees over.the more I did the more called. I took small junk jobs like 12 inch scotch pine 2 acre clear cut. That's pulp here. 18 buck a ton. If you don't pay anything for it you can still make money with a cable skidder.blow downs tangled up snarled messes.then 10 acre select cut then 70 acre. now I have 2 skidders and a small picker truck.And I'm part time. Nights and weekends. Days in the winter cause I work second shift winter months.
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Re: How to find Small Loggers?
« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2014, 06:30:11 pm »
One thing that's a big determiner of my success is knowing other loggers having them help with markets and methods working on there equipment before I started .learning what to do and what not to do.cutting for them
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Re: How to find Small Loggers?
« Reply #16 on: January 14, 2014, 06:56:24 pm »
I use to do it with a 40 hp tractor.

Good point. I started with an 8N Ford, tongs on the 3 ph, a Homelite chainsaw, and a 49 Ford stake truck with a winch to load 8' logs crosswise. Take a load to a mill and they would buy them.
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Re: How to find Small Loggers?
« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2014, 07:49:32 pm »
You could look for larger clearcuts within close proximity to the small tract...that would make it more worth his while.   Especially a small tract being thinned in GA

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Re: How to find Small Loggers?
« Reply #18 on: January 14, 2014, 08:37:00 pm »
Are there any small mills in the area that buy logs?  I started selling to one mill that has around a 10 man crew, they will buy from anybody who brings in logs to their specs - the stick scaler knows everybody who brings in wood and can tell you what they do, how big they are and how much they produce.
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Re: How to find Small Loggers?
« Reply #19 on: January 14, 2014, 11:39:16 pm »
The problem in GA is not the equipment, or the cost of equipment.  The problem is the markets and operational scale.  The large mills need high production loggers.  They want consistent predictable volume as most run with small inventories.  The high production loggers get the priority. When things get tight, and there are quotas, the small guys get cut off in favor of the high volume guys.  Then, they starve. 

Also, to be considered a supplier in most procurement systems, a logger has to have minimum insurance requirements and have master Timber Harvester training that covers all the Best Management Practices.  Many small loggers will choose not to meet these requirements, so they get left out. 

I agree that there is a need.  There could be a solution.  Be it will have to involve the mills.  As the manager of a large wood procurement organization buying 2.5 million tons of wood a year for many years, I understand the complexities.  A small logger moving a couple of loads a day would have to fit into the system, be consistent and predictable, and meet all the same requirements as the loggers moving 20 loads a day.

In the deep South, mechanical felling is a given.  So that means a fellerbuncher.  Also, at least one skidder and one loader.  The skidder needs to pull 6 - 8 loads per day to be profitable because of competition.  That sets the bar.  Most operations with this minimum set up needs at least 3 to 4 days of logging to make it work.  You cannot move this equipment every day for just a load or two.  So, it is a problem of scale. 
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