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Wind farms killing eagles, A---okay!

Started by chain, December 08, 2013, 11:29:54 AM

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chain

Wind farms kill an estimated 600,000 birds each year, many are American Bald Eagles. Our government just approved a Bill to permit the killing of our National bird for next thirty years.

Green energy makes killing of eagles A-okay? >:(

clww

Maybe those that make it will add to a smarter species in the long run?
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Jeff

Maybe I better take out our living room window too. That one window kills an estimated half dozen birds a year alone.
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I wonder too,who is doing the counting?  ::)
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chain

Our National bird is to be honored, protected, of all risks. I know of a farmer sent to prison for inadvertently killing of a Bald Eagle; no less than a Presidential Pardon released the fellow. He was just trying to protect his crop.

For myself, I feel the eagle should be protected, meaning of course, the wind farms can figure out how to protect the birds or face a stiff fine and imprisonment. Just as the Feds would likely do to me for 'accidentally' destroying an eagle.




Jeff

So what is the actual number on eagles killed to sort it from the hype? 

I can tell you I saw 6 mature eagles and one immature take off of a deer carcass two weeks ago when I turned the corner just down from the cabin. I was only 50 feet away from them. We've had them circling the pigroast here in Harrison along with some buzzards one year too.  There are getting to be a lot of Eagles which means there has to be a lot of eagles dying and getting killed somewhere as well. They don't live forever.   Odds of hitting an eagle with a car in our part of the U.P. may be as good as hitting a deer.
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pineywoods

If the politicians had listened to ole Ben Franklin, there wouldn't be a problem. He wanted the national bird to be a wild turkey, for some pretty good reasons, and considered the eagle to be just a high class scavenger..
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Growing up here I never saw an eagle. First one was about 13 years ago and see them around the pond now quite often.
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chain

I don't know but us humans may be listed as scavengers.

:D

POSTON WIDEHEAD

The Turkey was almost made our national Bird.

So we could be having Eagle on Thanksgiving.  food2
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chain

Quote from: pineywoods on December 08, 2013, 02:34:32 PM
If the politicians had listened to ole Ben Franklin, there wouldn't be a problem. He wanted the national bird to be a wild turkey, for some pretty good reasons, and considered the eagle to be just a high class scavenger..

And consider, the 101st Airborne would have had a turkey as a shoulder patch, not!

Department of Interior counting dead eagles, kept the count under 100 at one windstorm facility. Forgot to count at another wind farm.

The point is, there are folks out there that will destroy about anything for greed. This is big-time greed and big time Federal $$ involved in wind farms. My opinion only.

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SPIKER

Yep Ole Ben Franklin wanted the Turkey to be federal bird.   Not sure on the wind farms killing birds guess it does happen now many I dont know but the wind currents are exactly what birds like to use to pick up altitude and speed with those air currents...

I would think if they are hit with wing tip (read someplace that wind mill blade speed is near 600MPH at full wind speed cutout on some bigger blades.)   It would maybe damage the blade but sure would do some damage to the birds...

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m wood

I guess if I would just stop driving my pickup with a V8 and convinced all the other drivers also, then started burning candles in my home and pulled the plug on the grid and convinced all other households to do the same...perhaps we could reduce the consumption of coal in power generating plants.  We could undo the damage of green house gasses on the environment while we were at it.  Clean power generation in the Pacific Northwest nearly wiped out the historical salmon spawning grounds, starting more than 70 years ago.  We humans ARE a scavenging species in a sense.  Progress and population explosion has always resulted in our trying to balance our impact on nature, but usually only after a lot of damage has been done.  By simply coexisting on the same planet as humans, the eagle population will suffer.  But I am sorry, I'm not willing to throw the wind/power generating industry under the bus if attempts are being made to assist the bird casualty rate.  I am no more a proponent for wind than I am an opponent for coal.  I use them all. 

the salmon run issues were addressed by the hydro electric industry at a sizable cost to taxpayers and the population is bouncing back.  Scrubbers are installed to the tune of billions by that power generating industry so as to improve air quality, and I would guess the tax payers pay for that as well.  I believe wind energy will help this nation...so will the proposed massive solar farms...so will nuclear power, and the tidal power plants, etc etc etc.

IMO, if we dont want to go without we better learn to like something about them all.  they're not going away   

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   I think the word is collateral damage, and the numbers aren't too high. Limiting DDT and lead shot has brought lots of critters back from the brink. The return of the California Condor is a true American success story, no matter how much it cost. M wood, over a million Chinook return in the Columbia this year, another success story, whether you fish or not.

chain

Well, let's face it..there's nothing sacred anymore, Big Brother rules, we're running from our Founding Fathers Constitution as fast as we can. Less than a carload of folks make all our decisions... usually for money and politics.


"Houston, Tranquility Base here. The turkey has landed."*


*Politically correct revision.

:-[

Chuck White

I've never seen a wind turbin turn fast enough to where a bird (any bird) would be unable to see the individual blades, and avoid them.  I find it hard to believe that the wind turbins would turn fast like the prop on an airplane!

Also, when something "man made" is entered into nature, the creatures all get used to it being there and don't panic anymore.
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chain

Someone said 600 mph, but I read another report where the speed of the prop tip was between 200-300 mph. Surely an average could be estimated; I'm assuming many birds killed at night during migration.

But the eagle, as what I've witnessed doesn't back off from much, as possibly the bird may notice the tip moving up thinking it is another challenging eagle and ..smack! it's all over.

ely

maybe we should set up a processing plant if that many birds are dying from impact..... no need to waste the meat... first page and it done went to food.

Gary_C

Quote from: chain on December 08, 2013, 11:29:54 AM
Wind farms kill an estimated 600,000 birds each year, many are American Bald Eagles.


What are many? 5, 10, 100, 1000?   

I'd like to see actual numbers from reputable organizations before I got too excited about this.

If we really want to protect the eagles, we must keep them away from the road kill deer laying along the highways. But that's their major food supply.
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chain

According to who you want to believe as far as eagle kill. ???

I've read several news releases; the Bird people have their estimates, Dept. Interior have theirs, and Wind Farm folks also. Seems a discrepancy in numbers and length of time in months, years. One source says the Feds were encouraged by the Administration to line up with the Wind Farm people. Birders not so agreeable saying one Wind Farm was completely left off the kill-tally.

The whole problem with me is the 30 year permit to allow crippling, killing of eagles and other protected fowl. Birders say there are two other Federal Laws in place protecting eagles that were circumvented by the new law, they intend to challenge through the courts.

Another theory quite possibly lending to the issue, is, the windmills create a vortex or suction that can cause birds to be be pulled into the props increasing the kill. One enterprising fellow proposed another design for the mills that would not interfere with birds, and would take less wind power to operate. Interesting.

OLD MAN GRINDER

I don't have a problem with wind power and green energy in general, just the
hypocracy involved, seems like the current admin is against all carbon based
energy, and the truth is we need both, seems to me if we can put a man on
the moon we can find a way to burn coal cleanly until we can get more of the
green energy projects perfected, the same with oil and natural gas, we need
them all at the present time....


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m wood

Yes chain there are sacred things left in the world, the outstanding eagle is among them.  I just am trying to view a larger picture. One species is probably not going extinct because of commercial wind turbines.  And yes, each and every eagle is an awesome thing and worth trying to save individually, but face it, we arent going to change each and every thing about ourselves and our society to stop the collateral damage.  Nobody is slaughtering them intentially.  I am excited to see where the green initiative takes us.  I hope another administration can acually manage it better than this one.  My big hope for the future is to quit (at least reduce) importing crude from the middle east.  That would change the face of foreign affairs and politics as we know it.

Have I steered this thread away from outdoor topics yet! ::)
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Mooseherder

This is one of the blades from the Mars Hill wind farm.
Swampdonkey can see them from his yard. A six foot tall person can stand in that opening where it attaches to the rotor.
You would think the size, noise and wind from them would repel and deter not attract.  Just saying.



 

thecfarm

Never been that far North to see Mars Hill,but I have seen the ones in Roxbury. I have no idea how fast the blades are turning,but I can see them turning,they appear to be moving slow the times that I have been there.
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