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Deal on 044 and question about 064 cylinders and bar

Started by mmartone, November 10, 2013, 02:28:26 PM

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mmartone

Hey all, got a deal on an pretty nice 044 this morning, dont know if I'll keep it or not. I have an opportunity to buy an 064 but really want more cc's. Can I put a overbored 066/ms660 cylinder on it and get 98cc? Is the bottom end the same or is it not up to the task? How big a bar would I be able to run on this for milling? Any reason I cant turn the bar studs down so that another brand bar will fit it? Thanks!
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Saw Dr.

Buy the 064.  Find an old 066 stock bore cylinder and send it in a box with the saw to Tennessee.  You will no longer want more power. 

As for the 044, I am of the opinion that one should never sell a good 044.  (Unless it is a 10mm saw, and then you should sell it to me....)
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mmartone

See those arent the answers I needed... I did just put my 041AV up for sale... I took the 20" bar off the 044, hereit is with my 25" bar on it.



 
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IndianSprings

Good decision on putting the 041 up for sale. It appears you have a very late model 044 in great condition, it is very hard to find one in that condition, at least in this area, they all have been beat to death and they rebuild them until there is no more to rebuild.
As for the 064, it is a prolly the best power to weight ratio saw Stihl ever produced, with the 044 being a close second.
I may be wrong, but you can put a 066 jug and slug on it, but it takes modification to the case, enlarging the diameter of the crankcase opening for the larger diameter piston to clear the case and you may have to alter some of the cooling fins on the cylinder. This makes for a very strong saw, much like the 044 with a 046 piston and cylinder. I have a ton of used 064 parts if you ever need something. I don't know much about what kind of trees you cut in your area but I can't see much of a need for more power for cutting than a well tuned MM'd 064 unless your milling  or a west coast faller.
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man that is one nice 044,id hold onto it. the 064 is only a few oz heavier than an 046 and makes  a heck of a good saw.
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mmartone

The intention is to use the 064 for milling, how long a bar will it pull in a milling application?
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IndianSprings

Personally I wouldn't run over a 30-32" bar on a 064 milling, at least in the oak, hickory and walnut we have here. The oiler won't keep up with much more bar, and imho the bottom end on a 064 (crank and bearings) won't take what a 660 will take. If your going to get into serious milling on a frequent basis I'd hunt down an old 076/088 something much heavier duty.
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mmartone

Yeah I have been looking for an 075-76, guess I'll wait, one will turn up for a decent price. Thanks for your advice.
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H 2 H

I've been playing around with 044 this past summer and emailed Stihl about them and here is what was in one email from them said


"..... piston pin switching from 10mm to 12mm at serial number 1295837 in the early 90's"

Brian

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redfin

Would you mind sharing what you paid for that saw? I have been diligently hunting for a decent 044. In fact I have been in comunication with a builder on here about his 044s.

As far as the 10mm verses the 12mm saws. This is the wrist pin in the piston?

Birchwood Logging

Is the 10mm better than the 12mm ones I have a 10mm 044 best saw I have ever owned its a shame my dad busted the case around the oil tank
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mmartone

I would think that larger piston pin would be better, more bearing surface...
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H 2 H

Timing; fly wheel and porting are a little different 10 mm

12 mm start of the EPA on the 044

Brian

Old BROWN eyes strikes again !

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".... guess you need to do more than read specs, and look at pictures !"

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Quote from: mmartone on November 13, 2013, 12:07:34 AM
I would think that larger piston pin would be better, more bearing surface...
Better? Maybe for longevity, but the issue was with the big end bearing not the pin bearing. Performance wise....not even close. A stock 10mm saw will far out perform a 12mm saw all day.....everyday. If you've ever heard a stock 10mm saw run, it sounds like a factory ported saw. Almost like a swarm of angry bees.

There a quite a few differences.
1) Heavier flywheel ( helps hold higher rpm in the cut )
2) More aggressive port timing
3) Lower volume transfers ( increases charge velocity )
4) Much less restrictive exhaust
5) Smaller pin dia = less recriprocating mass
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redfin

Getsaws site states a hp increase on the 044s.  Would this be on the 12mm saws considering what was posted earlier in this thread regarding the time stihl went to the 12mm?

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