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Re: Went to Lumber Drying School in Alabama
« Reply #20 on: October 09, 2013, 01:30:33 pm »
I appreciate the compliments.  No bucket, I'm just tall at 6"-4"

I don't have a layout of the operation but the goal of the optimization is to not waste time, steps or effort.  I  once counted how many times I handled a board from the log to the sales rack and it astounded me.  So now, I only handle the boards a minimum of times and try to do as much in parallel as possible.  I also cull boards at every step in the process, only the best get to the final stages.  No use wasting time and effort messing with a low grade board.
Pallets are one of the keys for making things operate efficiently, mine are exactly 4x8'feet and dead flat.  All machines allow close access for the pallets.  Boards come off the mill, get sorted, and go into pallets.  After that, they never come off until final processing.   Cutting everything to standard sizes and thicknesses is another huge timesaver.  Getting rid of waste effectively is important.
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Re: Went to Lumber Drying School in Alabama
« Reply #21 on: October 09, 2013, 08:35:09 pm »
Robert has standardized his lengths too so that he handles 8' 6" logs only for the kiln.  I saw the standardization as a huge plus.  Woodworkers needing hardwood for furniture or projects very rarely need a board over 8' 6" long.  Robert has catered to a specific market and developed a niche.  His species diversity is also impressive.  Not just red oak and yellow poplar. 
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Re: Went to Lumber Drying School in Alabama
« Reply #22 on: October 13, 2013, 04:16:03 pm »
Not sure how I missed this report but glad that I found it. I will have to make a ride over and see the operation one day. I will have to say that I like you set up too YH.
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Re: Went to Lumber Drying School in Alabama
« Reply #23 on: October 14, 2013, 11:46:30 pm »
You or anyone's else is welcome to visit anytime.  It would be my pleasure.  I've always got steaks ready to fire up on the grill.

Kiln drying and post processing to get high quality, vibrant lumber has been the make or break step for me and is what separates my business from the rest of the field including conventional retail lumber stores.
It proves that a low tech solar kiln teamed with a basic low temp dehumidification kiln can produce such high quality lumber that people will regularly drive from hundreds of miles to buy.  I had a guy drive 250 miles just this morning.
Unfortunately, done incorrectly, I can also ruin a lot of wood real fast. Been there, done that. So as WDH saw on his visit, I've kind of settled on a process that let's me crank out lumber with a minimum of fuss and risk.

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Re: Went to Lumber Drying School in Alabama
« Reply #24 on: October 15, 2013, 12:42:30 am »
So YH, is this your full time occupation? I am very impressed with your setup. ;D
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Re: Went to Lumber Drying School in Alabama
« Reply #25 on: October 15, 2013, 07:46:32 am »
No, he just does it in his Spare Time  :D
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Re: Went to Lumber Drying School in Alabama
« Reply #26 on: October 15, 2013, 11:40:51 am »
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Re: Went to Lumber Drying School in Alabama
« Reply #27 on: October 16, 2013, 12:13:51 am »
My wife and I both have full time jobs, a couple kids, plus the cattle business, and of course the sawmill lumber business.  We stay fairly busy...and tired ;D

For us, the biggest technical risk and financial reward is the drying and processing of the boards.  It doubles or sometimes even triples the value of the lumber, so I put a lot of effort into having as fast a throughput as I can, with as high a quality a possible.  Lots of people around here have saws, almost nobody has kilns, or if they do, use them for very long before they ruin enough wood to give up on them.

I dry quite a few different species of wood native to North Alabama so tailor the best characteristics of the different drying methods to the species.  I use the more forgiving methods for the difficult species, and put the hammer to the ones that are forgiving.  Using pallets or packs of lumber instead of just loading the kiln to capacity also gives me an extra variable to control drying rate and time. I try to manipulate the load size so that the compressor in the DH kiln and even the solar kiln is always removing water at its maximum rate within the maximum safe removal rate of the particular species.
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Re: Went to Lumber Drying School in Alabama
« Reply #28 on: October 16, 2013, 07:54:31 pm »
Nice set up you have :)
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Re: Went to Lumber Drying School in Alabama
« Reply #29 on: October 16, 2013, 08:42:40 pm »
As YH has learned, drying is a much art as it is science.
I like your setup, YH.  Tired is a good state of being in this business...
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Re: Went to Lumber Drying School in Alabama
« Reply #30 on: October 16, 2013, 08:50:23 pm »
Robert (Woodling),

I went with your suggestion at the Pig Roast to go smaller.  I am in the later stages of building the chamber for the Nyle L53.  Robert (Milton AKA Yellowhammer) has been an invaluable resource.  I thank both of you Roberts  ;D,.
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Re: Went to Lumber Drying School in Alabama
« Reply #31 on: October 16, 2013, 08:57:16 pm »
You, sir, are most welcome.  It is but a small repayment of all the sage advice you have bestowed upon me over the years.
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Re: Went to Lumber Drying School in Alabama
« Reply #32 on: October 16, 2013, 09:49:54 pm »
You, sir, are most welcome.  It is but a small repayment of all the sage advice you have bestowed upon me over the years.

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Re: Went to Lumber Drying School in Alabama
« Reply #33 on: February 02, 2014, 03:20:54 pm »
I have been debating getting the L53 and had a question about storing your kiln dried lumber. How do you guys store your lumber that is for sale after its kiln dried. I saw the racks that YellowHammer uses, does the wood regain some moisture if its not stored in a controlled environment?
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Re: Went to Lumber Drying School in Alabama
« Reply #34 on: February 02, 2014, 03:52:29 pm »
Yes, it will seek to reach equilibrium moisture content based on the relative humidity of its environment.
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Re: Went to Lumber Drying School in Alabama
« Reply #35 on: February 02, 2014, 04:24:16 pm »
As mentioned, store it at the correct humidity, and the MC will not change.  But this can be hard to do.  There is a chapter on storage in DRYING HARDWOOD LUMBER at the end of the book with some practical ideas.

Here is one of the easiest ideas.  If you wrap the lumber pile or stack with plastic on all six sides, there is no way that any moisture can get in or out of the bundle, so the MC will not change.  (Repair any holes promptly.)  You can also use a tight trailer or shipping container, as again moisture influx or outflow is minimal.  If you paint the container a darker color, it will get a little solar heat which will help keep the RH a bit lower.  You can buy plastic baggies that are large enough to hold a bindle of lumber.
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Re: Went to Lumber Drying School in Alabama
« Reply #36 on: February 07, 2014, 08:57:24 pm »
well I also went to school...today...AND I must say that YH is a great host. My time was limited and the total driving time was about 10 hours. We packed in the absolute most anyone could absorb in 3 hours I am sure.

YH's operation is a spotless dream of a showplace, second to the hospitality.

My desires to work with SYP which is contrary to the products he works with but we formulated possible operational scenarios that could fit me.

Tonight when I go to bed there will be much more "what-ifs" to cipher on. When the opportunity arrises I feel certain that YH will open up his knowledge to make a working plan for those upcoming problems.

Thank you YH for such a delightful info-opportunity. THANK YOU

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Re: Went to Lumber Drying School in Alabama
« Reply #37 on: February 07, 2014, 09:22:53 pm »
You will have visions of sugarplums kilns in your head, tonight  :).
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Re: Went to Lumber Drying School in Alabama
« Reply #38 on: February 07, 2014, 10:06:33 pm »
I appreciate your visit, the effort it took for you to drive that far, and I'm grateful you made it home safe.  I was telling my wife that I could see the gears turning in your head as you were coming up with ideas for your own operation, and that is always a great thing.  I am glad I was able to help a little.
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Re: Went to Lumber Drying School in Alabama
« Reply #39 on: February 08, 2014, 07:32:37 am »
nice operation YH-
I'm interested to hear more about what went into your decision to only dry to 8'6".  It sure seems like it must simplify things.  Do you also only mill material to 8'6, or do you market longer material air dried only or what?  Do you get many requests for longer material?  thanks!