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Red oak or some other oak?

Started by MSSawmill, May 01, 2013, 10:29:01 PM

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MSSawmill

On a pond bank in central Mississippi...


  

  

 

We've got several kinds of oak trees around including post oak, water oak, red oak, white oak, pin oak, and prob a few others. Pretty sure this one is a red oak, but I'd like to have a few other opinions.
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mesquite buckeye

That would be a young oak.  ;DGot any acorns, buds etc.? 8) 8) :P :P
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OneWithWood

My guess is Post oak or Pin Oak.
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gwilson

Based on the leaves and bark I would say that this is a young Northern Red Oak (or Quercus rubra).

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SwampDonkey

I woulda guessed red oak to. But now seeing WDH's link it seems they cant a little on the tip and the base of the leaf is not red oak'ish. Bark in the VT photo looks identical. Danny knows his oaks. ;)
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WDH

I have seen a few oaks in my time  :).

Oak species diversity goes down as you move North and West.  In Georgia, there are 20 different Red oak species. 
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thecfarm

Oak,in Maine only 8,and Nothern Red Oak is the only one that grows all over the state and the only one I have on my land.
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Dodgy Loner

I have two questions: 1) Where in Mississippi is that located? and 2) Is the tree wild or was it planted?

My first thought was cherrybark oak (I think I see a bluish pubescence on the underside of the leaves), but Nuttall oak is certainly a possibility if the undersides are hairless. Unless you live in the Delta or right along the Mississippi River in the southern half of the state, Nuttall is unlikely, unless the tree was planted, in which case the possibility of Nuttall goes back up, since it's a common ornamental. Simple enough? ;D
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Jay C. White Cloud

Hey Dodgy L.

There are healthy numbers of it in Eastern Arkansas so I know it is found up North of Mississippi.
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Dodgy Loner

I know, Jay. Nuttall Oak mostly grows in the Mississippi River watershed. Most of Mississippi does not drain into the Mississippi River. I live in Mississippi, so I know where in the state you can expect to find Nuttall Oak growing wild :)
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Jay C. White Cloud

Dodgy, do you think the Mississippi has some bearing on the species and it's distribution, I have always wondered about that?
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SwampDonkey

I would, since the native range of pecan is there along the river valley. We see it here with some species of hardwood along the Saint John, and not found in other Maritime provinces.
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Dodgy Loner

I'm not sure, Jay. If you look at a map of its range, it shows the tree extending all the way across Mississippi and into Alabama. I have found it to be very rare outside of the Mississippi River drainage. I remember working at the White River National Wildlife Refuge in SW Arkansas, and Nuttall oak was one of the most common red oaks around. They grew really big - I remember seeing some that were 5' in diameter and 140' tall. But the only wild Nuttalls I have seen within an hour and a half of where I live were in counties that are adjacent to the Mississippi River. Cherrybark oak is much more common in low areas throughout most of Mississippi. You even find it on the upland sites.
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WDH

I don't see the distinct two toned color of cherrybark, and the bark does not fit cherrybark for a tree that size.  The acorns would tell the tale.

I have found wild nuttall oak in the Florida parishes of Louisiana and East Texas. 
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