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Offline Ronnie

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Re: Axes for timber framing
« Reply #20 on: February 25, 2014, 06:17:16 pm »
Autine tools has a new website. It's John neeman tools. I just put my name on the waiting list for 3 axes they said it would be about a year before they were ready. The demand for these heirloom tools is amazing.
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Re: Axes for timber framing
« Reply #21 on: February 25, 2014, 07:24:51 pm »
Not exactly correct Ronnie.  John Neeman (Janis) started his own company Autine.  Jacob and several others continue to produce axes, knives, etc. under the John Neeman name.

John Neeman and Autine are two separate manufacturers.
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Re: Axes for timber framing
« Reply #22 on: February 26, 2014, 06:40:10 pm »
OK, so now that you've all opened up more axes and options for consideration and helped me narrow down my needs, the question becomes which (or who) is building the best?  It's quite apparent from the John Neeman web site that the departure of "Janis" left some bitter taste but, both appear to build fine tools.  As does Mueller (sorry D L Bahler-I still cant get it right).  Something about a family business with over 300 years of experience intrigues me and still tilts me in that direction but perhaps foolishly.

Has anyone had buying experiences from both John Neeman and Autine?  Any reason or explanation for the split?  Am I overthinking buying what I hope will be a one time purchase?

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Re: Axes for timber framing
« Reply #23 on: February 26, 2014, 07:30:55 pm »
Has anyone had buying experiences from both John Neeman and Autine?  Any reason or explanation for the split?

Interesting history here...

http://www.neemantools.com/en/about-us/story
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Re: Axes for timber framing
« Reply #24 on: February 26, 2014, 08:51:49 pm »
That's exactly what I was referring to John...... It would be nice to know both sides of the story and even better to understand the quality of each....

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Re: Axes for timber framing
« Reply #25 on: February 26, 2014, 10:19:38 pm »
I know Jakob,
He is a very kind and generous man.

I don't know Janis, I cannot speak to his character

I do know that Jakob began the initiative.
But I do not believe Jakob would turn a guy out and say such things without a good reason.
I worked with him on some of is designs, providing some specifications for a couple of old tools, and giving him a number of pictures in the recreation of a specific historic axe.


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Re: Axes for timber framing
« Reply #26 on: February 26, 2014, 10:39:49 pm »
Janis Nimanis (from whose name the "John Neeman" in English was derived) built the Forestry Forum Axes that were auctioned off.  When John was burned the building of the second axe had to wait for his recovery. 

I personally was having an axe built during that time and I also had to wait for John's recovery.  I emailed Jacob (Jekabs Dimiters) several times during John's recovery.  No axe or knife building was done until John was able to resume working.  I also had John to build me a knife which was the last item that he built under the "John Neeman" name.

Last year John's new company "Autine" contributed three (3) axes to the Forestry Forum that were auctioned off.  This was John's way of showing his appreciation to the Forestry Forum as well as to the several FF members that made personal contributions to him during and after his recovery.
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Re: Axes for timber framing
« Reply #27 on: February 27, 2014, 11:21:33 am »
Yes it does appear both are decent, quality people
no doubt they also both have their own negative aspects. We are all human, after all.
It's a shame things had to happen as they did but, again, we don't know the story.
I don't think it does us good to figure out either

I have a tool made by Jakob before Janis was in the picture, I take that to mean it was forged by Chris.
Having made my connections with Jakob, I intend to retain my loyalty because loyalty is important to me. For those who worked with Janis, the same I would also suggest -stay with who you made connections with. Not as a matter of taking sides, but being loyal and fare

Now as to the poster's question,
either of these 3 companies mentioned are going to give you top of the line tools
Either will be able to put off custom work

When it comes to metallurgy, I'm going to step out and say more than likely, Müller has the edge there for 2 reasons: 1 they have 300 years of experience behind them and 2 they are Austrian

Personally, If I want to buy a traditional Central European tool I would get it from Müller because they know exactly what they are doing. If I want a custom made tool, I go to Jakob because I have done work with him before.

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Re: Axes for timber framing
« Reply #28 on: February 27, 2014, 01:52:49 pm »
Yes it does appear both are decent, quality people. 
There is no question in my mind about that.  I had many email and PM conversations with Jacob from both a personal as well as a business nature and I formed a trusting opinion of him.

I was disappointed to read the negative portions of the John Neeman Tools "Story".  This could well have been left out because it served no purpose to expose the growing pains of the company.

Both John and Jacob are Forestry Forum members.
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