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manual log turner
« on: February 16, 2013, 07:57:21 am »
How well do the manual log turners work on a woodmizer mill?  Does it actually turn it or does it just assist with a cant?

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Re: manual log turner
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2013, 08:56:03 am »


This video shows the optional log handling package in action.  It loads and turns logs and cants. Looks slow.  I think some have added an electric winch.
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Re: manual log turner
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2013, 10:15:05 am »
I saw alone and have recently been working on some southern yellow pine logs 14' and up to about 33'' dia. Somenwere to heavy for my tractor to lift.  I wax able to load with the winch on the LT35 and turn with the log turner. As Bibbyman indicated it was a bit slow. However without the Turner I wouldnhave been gotta luck.  Some logs turned  easy some the small end would start to lift. I would then lay a stick or something parallel to the log and lower the log. When i lowered the log the log came down on the stick it would roll. You may have to repeat the cycle several times to get the log turned 90 degrees. I do not have rollers on top of my log stops that is a modification I need to make. I am glad I have the log deck package and would buy it again.

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Re: manual log turner
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2013, 10:36:11 am »
I have never used or seen the manual turners work, but by the video, I would say they would turn the log just fine. A log as big as you mentioned would be no problem, the only issues are with smaller logs, even with the hydraulics,  but once the weight of the log or cant becomes managable, your hook should suffice as it has,  Keeping the log balanced on the bed with respect to the turner is something you will have to figure out, so that you turn more than lift, being by yourself this is kinda important, but if it does lift on one end and is partially turned, leave it there and finishing with the hook should be easier than without the turner at all, especially with a 14' 33" pine log, 
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Re: manual log turner
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2013, 10:51:38 am »
Thanks for the video Bibby, I hadn't watched that one. What I got from it was that with the accuset  "you don't have to think nearly as hard". I wonder if this is good for the sawyers brain. I know guys who have bought mills for a second career that gets them some exercise, keeps them out of their wife's way and makes them some money. Another benefit that they may not think of is how having to do the math for the cuts keeps the working part of their brain active. I wonder if the accuset interferes with this activity a bit or a lot or not at all.
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Re: manual log turner
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2013, 10:55:46 am »
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I'll try the cant hook next time I have the small end raise. The eyeball is getting better on seeing the balance point.

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Re: manual log turner
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2013, 12:03:52 pm »
Great information gentleman tha :P :Thank you very much! Daniel

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Re: manual log turner
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2013, 08:27:48 pm »
The manual turned works pretty good but an electric winch is a must or its too slow and the top rollers are a great help it seems to work better on bigger logs I have an lt28 with the manual turner
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Re: manual log turner
« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2013, 08:52:31 pm »
I learned on a manual LT40 with the log deck package. Most of the time I sawed alone. I would use a peavey for the smaller stuff, and the winch turner on the big stuff. It worked well, but was only as fast as you could crank.
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Re: manual log turner
« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2013, 10:26:35 pm »
Woodweasal - I have a manual LT40 with the log deck package and I have added a 12 volt winch in place of using the hand winch. [ I left the hand winch in place in case the 12 fails] I also added the WM power strip and fuse/solenoid package to transfer the 12volts to the frame where I mounted my winch. Cost 2-300 bucks for the WM parts and about 75 for a 2000 lb 12 winch.   Tom
 

 
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Re: manual log turner
« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2013, 11:09:52 pm »
Nice setup St Ranch. Like the way you mounted the winch.  I had to do something to get the large logs on the mill as I just didn't have the strength to crank manual winch with the heavy logs up the ramp. H.F. had this winch on sale so picked it up and had a friend help me mount it. Know it is an over-kill but boy does it load and turn logs fast. Did have to replace the cable that came with it with the next size smaller as the quarter inch was to large for the WM pulleys.

Another thing found out is a 2 inch square tube two feet long slid over the log stops  keeps the log from wanting to climb. It is easy to remove once the log is in position. Anything to make it easier on this old man ;)


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Re: manual log turner
« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2013, 08:36:00 am »
I don't understand how the winch turns log after it sits on the deck? :P

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Re: manual log turner
« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2013, 11:01:52 am »
The winch is connected to the log turner via a set of pulleys. When the winch is turned, the log turner comes up and makes contact with the lower portion of the log. As the log turner moves up, the log rotates. (see Bibbleman's video). When using the winch to load a log, the cable is removed from the log turner and connected to the log. Hope this help you understand how it works.

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Re: manual log turner
« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2013, 11:36:56 am »
Absolutely! So it will be relatively easy to replace the manual winch with electric winch!! ;D Thanks gentleman!

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Re: manual log turner
« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2013, 11:48:09 am »
One more question are the toe boards connected to the winch cable :P ???

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Re: manual log turner
« Reply #15 on: February 17, 2013, 11:51:44 am »
No, they come with a crank that operates the jackscrew which raises or lowers them

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« Reply #16 on: February 17, 2013, 12:30:47 pm »
Thank you very much John senior!!! Daniel

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Re: manual log turner
« Reply #17 on: February 17, 2013, 02:39:12 pm »
John SR - Wow, That is quite the winch. Just wondering what you use to power it? Is it off the mill or a secondary battery?
My winch runs off the mill 12v system and lately with the mill RV battery getting old [5 yrs], I notice the mill alternator will labor the mill engine when I get a big log on the turner. Might add a secondary battery in parallel with the winch to give a bit more reserve cranking amps.
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« Reply #18 on: February 18, 2013, 12:09:24 pm »
I am using a large secondary battery as the 18 hp engine charging system on the LT28 just don't put out enough juice to keep the primary battery charged when using the power feed and the winch. Have a pretty large charger hooked up to the battery and so far haven't had the needle drop below normal. If I go mobile will use the Honda 2000 generator as it has a 6 amp 12 volt charging system built in.
According to the instruction that came with the winch, am supposed to wait 15 minutes after using it at max for 45 seconds. So far haven't came close to to the max pulling power. Probably would if pulling the log by the end. Using it to roll the log am only in the mid range on the lever. If I go any faster, can't control the rolling log as the control is only 12 feet long. Would be nice if there were two cables so to get an even roll.

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Re: manual log turner
« Reply #19 on: March 15, 2017, 06:26:59 pm »
Hey, bibbyman, any chance the video in this thread could be made public?  Would love to see it in action, but says it's private.

Trying to get my older LT30 loading and turning big logs.  I have manual winch, not sure how to turn with it.....