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Started by isawlogs, February 11, 2013, 09:17:28 PM

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isawlogs

  I have been looking at wood steamers for bending wood for a while and started to do a little more googlin', about it , then it hit me ... I got all what it takes to put one of them there thingys together.
  So then I needed a project. Seeing as there is snow , that gave me the idea.  A sled .. why not a tobogan.
I read about putting one together and most where saying to use green ash, as most know I am still on da learnin' part when it comes to English, I don't have green ash or ever heard of such a thing , I have white ash, and that is what will be used.  ;D  :P
I figured out what they ment by green ash..  ::)  I did a test run with my steamer and bent a few peices but also cracked a few, fixed the cracking with letting the peices soak in a barrel of water over night.
  Here are a few pics of the ongoing project...

   

 

First thing I did was make a form to bend and shape the peices of the to be tobogan.



 

This is the kettle I am using for steam. An old milk container with vaccum attachement, it has a ball valve releif if ever there was any kind of pressure build up, this is connected to the steam box by the plastic tube that the milk would of went through.



 

The steam box , slapped together with some pine boards ... only to find out it was too short for the lenght of slats I was going to bend  ::)  fixed with a little extention.  ;D



 



 

  The slats in the form drying, tomorow I will take them out and start screwing things together.  :)
 
A man does not always grow wise as he grows old , but he always grows old as he grows wise .

   Marcel

thecfarm

First Poston,than Bibbyman and now isawlogs with a great idea. Those things are worth some money.
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WDH

Wow, that is amazing!  I am going to enjoy this thread  8).
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customsawyer

Very nice. I do believe I will keep a I on this one too.
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Mooseherder

Nice snow project.
I would like to see it in action. :)

isawlogs

 Great we have a volunteer to try it out  8) Will forward directions to ya Moose in short order!  I am making two um, so you will be test pilote twice.  :) 

  Gotta love this place, a man receives offers before having to ask.  :snowball:
A man does not always grow wise as he grows old , but he always grows old as he grows wise .

   Marcel

Mooseherder

You're bringing back some good memories with this toboggan. :)
Nothing like speeding down a mountain at Winter Carnival with a bunch of your classmates laughing and knowing this ride could end up with some broken bones.  This was pre-helmet days.
I want the pusher position at the back.
Raider Bill can do the steering. ;D

isawlogs

 Ya really want him as  the steerer...  move_it  You like living on the edge!  He's been so long in a tee shirt down by that  warm coast that once you get him all bundlled up and ready for da run he ain't gonna be able to move...
  Wait.....  Oh , I get the idea,  you want to push and make him beleive you're going to jump on with him, then once da pusher jump done, you're gonna sit back and watch.  smiley_smug01
A man does not always grow wise as he grows old , but he always grows old as he grows wise .

   Marcel

Tree Feller

That's a very interesting build, Marcel. I like the use of that milk can for the steam generator.   :)
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okmulch

Looks like a lot of fun. That is the build and the ride! I hope you can video it's maiden voyage for us to see.
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hardtailjohn

Looks great!! This is quite timely, as I'm just setting up to bend some oak sleigh runners for a few horsedrawn sleigh projects I'm working on.
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WDH

Marcell,

It will be hard for Bill to catch the toboggan on fire with all the snow  :).  You should be OK as long as it is winter  :D.
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Holmes

Quote from: WDH on February 12, 2013, 09:22:05 PM
Marcell,

It will be hard for Bill to catch the toboggan on fire with all the snow  :).  You should be OK as long as it is winter  :D.
Wasn't the bulldozer ALL METAL and he got it to burn?  Nothing is safe with Bill  :D
Think like a farmer.

WDH

One of the funniest stories that I ever heard, and it was all true  ;D.
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isawlogs

 I cried, my ribs hurt when I listened to him telling about that poor dozer burnin' story :D
  Danny,  I was thinking of the posibility of fire, then I thought about the snow.... Then the dozer came to mind it being steel and all. But I trust that Moose would help out some with not pushin' too hard.
A man does not always grow wise as he grows old , but he always grows old as he grows wise .

   Marcel

Mooseherder

I'm pushing with everything I've got before jumping on. ;D

SwampDonkey

Marcel,

Here I thought you was up there hibernating and you've been starting a toboggan business. ;D

That looks like a great steam generator. That's what you want is a small boiler. You don't need huge gallons of water for steam. Large volumes means more heat. ;D I like your former to, well thought out. And your bending looks like great success.

One little note though, if you make one end of the steam box with an small opening for extra long pieces, you can close the hole around the wood pieces with some rags. You only need to steam the end of the boards for the bends, not the whole length.

I have enjoyed your project....kinda a two for one deal. ;)

Now, who (for real) is gonna take her on the maiden voyage? ;D
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Norm

Brings back some fond and not so fond memories of using one....and crashing one!  :D

isawlogs


Swamp, I was going to bend the back end some but had a change of mind. I did have a few bend failures, but all in all it went good. I am happy with the out come, the ash I am using is far from being select....   ;D
I had help to saw the wood for this from SpruceBunny. She came for a visite and I put her to work  smiley_whip 
Norm, I have some great crash memories also.... Fence post and toboggans don't mix well..... smiley_crying

  I'll put pics as I go with this. of the toboggan not da cryin'   smiley_smug01

I have no idea who's going to do the maiden voyage....  :P
A man does not always grow wise as he grows old , but he always grows old as he grows wise .

   Marcel

Mooseherder

We need someone with a big wide back in the 3rd seat so I have a big area to push on. :D

SwampDonkey

My ash here that I have bent was also not select. It was just mill run, except I picked the better looking pieces out. And yes, there are always bending failures even if the grain direction looks perfect. Some pieces will also be stiffer than others. I've bent some that would bend like a hot piece of plastic, hardly any resistance. And others where a bit more effort involved. ;D
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isawlogs

 If you put someone in the third seat.. Where are you planning on jumping on.... Ya might be able to con talk Fish into coming up here and trying this out with Bill, he could keep da fire bug in check.. I'll sit back and watch and record  ;D :snowball:

 
A man does not always grow wise as he grows old , but he always grows old as he grows wise .

   Marcel

isawlogs

 Todays mission is a trip to the hardware store.. screws, bolts, pull rope ( was going with 1/4 but seeing the mayden voyage trip ) I am going with 3/8`and some floor wax.
A man does not always grow wise as he grows old , but he always grows old as he grows wise .

   Marcel

beenthere

QuoteI have no idea who's going to do the maiden voyage.... 

Why, a maiden of course. Look for one at the hardware store........ ;D
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lowpolyjoe

Great project!

How long did you leave the slats in the steamer? 

After sitting them in the bending jig, they are supposed maintain the bend without anything holding them that way?

SwampDonkey

I believe once the slats are screwed with cross members, the rope is looped through from the tip of the bend (knotted) then down to the beginning of the bend, then secured along the length for hang on tight handles. :D
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isawlogs

 lowpolyjoe
I first let them soak over night in a barrel of water.  Slats are 5/16" thick and vary from 2" to 3 1/4" in width.
I put them in the steamer and fire up the burner, I keep an eye on um till the steam starts to come out and let them in there for an hour or so after that.  I have kept the fire going till I have taken the last one out and have it on the form.
  Yes they will keep there bent form to a point , some spring back does occur, but I don't let them in the form for too long, I am guessing that if I let them sit till they are completly dry it would not spring back any. As SwampDonkey said, these have a rope go through the lip and is attached to a cross peice just below it, that will keep the curl in place, then the rope goes through each cross peice (one every 16") to the back to be used as " hang on tight " handles. A rope is also put through the front to be used as a pull rope.
A man does not always grow wise as he grows old , but he always grows old as he grows wise .

   Marcel

lowpolyjoe

Thanks for the details.  Can't wait for more pics

isawlogs

 With the snow coming down and pushing it around I have been set back a little, but have done some work to the tobggan.


 

  12 screws to every crosser, I use some wax on the tip of the screw, it sure helps when driving them in.



 

I drilled the holes for the pull rope and put it in for a look see! there is a crosser on the other side for stiffness. ( Also, when Raider and Moose come down the hill it really needs all the help it can have,.. )



 

    I have started at the front and working my way to the back with the crossers, and the hold on to rope. you can see here where the tow rope is knotted in.



 

  Two more crossers to go and then break down for finishing, floor wax or bees wax for the surface that will be in contact with snow, exterior grade Poly for the rest.   :snowball:



 


A man does not always grow wise as he grows old , but he always grows old as he grows wise .

   Marcel

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thecfarm

That is some nice. I'm looking for my passport. I want to take the maiden voyage. But if you have any close neighbors they will be able to hear me and wonder what is going on.
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isawlogs

 Ray for any neighbour here the hear you, you will need a mega, megaphone..... ;D  And then some. If and when you do find your trav'lin' papers, you just get your butt over here and we will send you down the hill.  8)

Jeff,   Thanks, I sure did not think there was so much to makin' one of those toboggans...  :-\ :D   
A man does not always grow wise as he grows old , but he always grows old as he grows wise .

   Marcel

Mooseherder

Looks like there is enough room for Raider Bill's size 13s up front as long as he tucks them in and angles them out. ;D
It also looks like it's big enough for 3 so Fishpharmer is in. :)

Axe Handle Hound

Reading this thread has me wanting to try building a toboggan...that's a great looking sled! 

SwampDonkey

Like everyone has said, that is one fine piece of work my friend. And yes, I can believe the work into it is something more than a casual weekend project.

Very nice. :)
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sprucebunny

WOW !! Looks great, Marcel  8) 8)

I got to say that knowing your place there a little, I'm wondering which hill you're going to go down ??? I keep picturing you getting air over the railroad tracks but my little fantasy ends at that point  :D
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Marcel, sign and date it. You have a great hand me down for generations to come.  smiley_thumbsup
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isawlogs

 Joan.. Shiishhhhhh Don't let on that the hill can get ya air born , ya might scare those Floridian maiden voyage taken out of the ride....  ;D   :D
A man does not always grow wise as he grows old , but he always grows old as he grows wise .

   Marcel

SwampDonkey

A new meaning for "air time", although it will be much talked about. :D
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Jeff

When I was a kid, we lived on the neighborhood toboggan hill. Literally. It was our back yard. Ail sorts of Church groups used to have toboggan and sledding parties at our place. I totaled our toboggan on it by putting a bale of hay and a sheet of plywood at the bottom.  The tobaggen came apart when we landed, and I had to be carried up the hill. I was a lot smaller when I was a kid. :D
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isawlogs

 I got to do some more work to the Toboggan.   She might be ready for the middle of next week!
She mesures in at 6 feet 8 inches.



 



 

This is the finish I am using .  Bees wax for the bottom and the urethane for the rest. 6 coats should do it .. I hope.



 



 

First coat is done, I thought I had a pic of the bees wax , That will be tomorows mission. The Urethane and Bees wax meet at the second row of screws in the middle of the curl.



 



  
A man does not always grow wise as he grows old , but he always grows old as he grows wise .

   Marcel

isawlogs

 Forgot about the helpers, they really like to get rid of evidence, they chew it all up, sometimes they chew on push sticks that fall to the ground, I do beleive they think that what ever falls is theres to do what ever with... and they do :-\   :D

 

 

  Charlie in the lead with Balou following.
A man does not always grow wise as he grows old , but he always grows old as he grows wise .

   Marcel

Slab Slicer

That is one fine looking piece of craftsmenship. You should be proud of your work. Brings back a few memories of some tabboggan runs my brother made. He was the crazy one, and probably the only one needing stitches after a good afternoon of sledding. Icey ramps on steep hills, mixed with a well waxed tabboggan usually didn't end well.  :D :D
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Mooseherder

Very nice Marcel!  There's even room for Pigman to come along. :)

WDH

Mooseherder, Raider Bill, Fishpharmer, and now Pigman  ???.  You are going to have to build at least two and a half of them contraptions  :D.
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SwampDonkey

 :D :D Until the photos loaded on this dialup machine, I thought you had some pet beavers chewing up the tree tops left behind from the ash harvest. :D
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drobertson

Marcel, thanks for showing you snow day project, very nice, looks great!
only have a few chain saws I'm not suppose to use, but will at times, one dog Dolly, pretty good dog, just not sure what for yet,  working on getting the gardening back in order, and kinda thinking on maybe a small bbq bizz,  thinking about it,

isawlogs

 Sorry SD, I should of broke up the pics into two or three per post, I forgot about the dial-ups.....

Ya know Danny, they could take turns coming down the hill... or do like we did at times and just pile up and go for the best, wich at times was not really the best outcome  ::) :D :D :D
A man does not always grow wise as he grows old , but he always grows old as he grows wise .

   Marcel

pigman

Quote from: Mooseherder on February 15, 2013, 10:30:49 PM
Very nice Marcel!  There's even room for Pigman to come along. :)
I will ride on Fishpharmer's shoulders so I can disembark before we hit the big tree.
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isawlogs

  Not the maiden voyage, the sled is ... :)  Almost , I will put another coat or two of wax but the three coats of urethane should be good for whats left of this winter and I will put another coat or two come summer when it is a little warmer .

Here it is, finished for this winter.



 
   
Outside in her element awaiting the Masters of snow for her maiden voyage.  8)



 

  Was alot of fun to put together and I will be making two more but I ain't starting that today.  :) It sure don't look like the 6 feet 8 inches that she is on that last pic...
.

 
A man does not always grow wise as he grows old , but he always grows old as he grows wise .

   Marcel

Mooseherder


isawlogs

  Glenn, I have seen those for sale, now I know why they are so expensive.... :o :o   :D

The cheap ones are put together with an air gun and staples, for bump ya take and you have a pile of kindling to deal with.... :-\
A man does not always grow wise as he grows old , but he always grows old as he grows wise .

   Marcel

samandothers

Wonderful winter project. Great job and what an heirloom!

SwampDonkey

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okmulch

Very nice Marcel! My boys would love to ride on one of those, but we do not get much snow in Oklahoma.
Isn't there a joke that goes,  "how many Forestry Forumites does it take to ride on a maiden voyage of a tabboggan? :D

Surely, someone here knows the answer.
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I'm so far behind, I think I'm ahead!

Magicman

The workmanship and finished Toboggan are truly outstanding.   :)
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