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Tools for Timber Framing List
« on: April 05, 2004, 10:06:17 am »
Here is my list of tools used for timber framing.
I got this list and should give credit to Will Beemer executive director of the Timber Framers Guild.
I organized his list into categories and/or types of tools.
Many times people have asked me what tools do I need for timber framing?
Well most regular carpenter tools are used in timber framing and a few special tools also.

Here is the list:

Tools for Timber Framing

Layout tools


Calculator (construction type and or scientific)
Chalk line or ink line
Combination square
Framing square
Lumber crayons or chalk
Misc. layout tools: dividers, compass, trammel points, Big Al, Protractor square, parallel line layout ruler, etc
Pencils carpenter and regular
Plumb bob
Stair gauges
Tape measure (16 ft. or 25 ft.)
Utility knife

Hand tools
Awl
Axe
Block plane (sharp)
Boring machine & bits
Brace & bit (3/4" & 1" auger, and/or set)
Carving tools
Clamps (24" bar or Quik-Grip type)
Corner chisel  
Crosscut & rip handsaws
Hammer (16-22 oz. smooth face)
Hand planes (rabbet, smoothing)
Levels (torpedo, 28 in. and/or 48 in.)
Outside dimension calipers
Sharpening files & Sharpening stone
Slick  
Timber framing chisel (sharp, 1.5 in. and/or 2 in.)
Tool bag or box
Various size smaller chisels
Wooden or leather head mallet (2-3 lb.)
  
Power tools
Chain or chisel mortiser
Circular saws (7 1/4 ", 8 1/2", or 16")
Electric hand plane (4", 6" or 12")
Extension cord (#12, 25' minimum)
1/2" electric drill & bits (1" - 1.5" auger and/or set)

Personal Safety Equipment
Ear plugs
Hard hat
Job-site drinking bottle
Nail apron
Safety glasses & Sunglasses
Work gloves
Chaps (when using chainsaws)

Misc: Sawhorses and/or ponies

I hope this list is helpful to you for figuring out what you need in order to do your project.
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Re: Tools for Timber Framing List
« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2004, 04:49:23 pm »
Here is a picture of the tools:




A = Calculators
B = Chalkline
C = Combination square
D = Framing Square
E = Lumber crayons
F = Dividers
G = Compass
H = Trammel Points on yard stick with stop block
I = "Big Al" Borneman layout tool
J = Protractor square
K = Parallel line layout ruler
L = Pencils carpenter and regular
M = Stair buttons for framing square
N = Tape measures (25' and 30')
O = Utility knife
P = Speed (triangle) square
Q = Bevel gauge
R = Hook ruler
S = Marking gauge
T = Ruler
U = Folding ruler
V = Japanese square

How we use these tools to layout joints will be discussed in further posts to this thread.

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Re:Tools for Timber Framing=Using Layout tools
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2004, 07:31:20 am »
Using layout tools.

Before we begin talking about using layout tools, we have to understand some of the basic timber framing principals.
There are certain standards like all mortises have to be along the grain of a timber and not across the grain, because if it was across the grain it would obviously weaken the timber.



 
Another standard rule is that all timbers have to be flush with an adjoining timber on the outside face of the building, so that these joints don't push the siding away from any timber.
 



Above is a correct flush joint.




Above are two timbers joining with non flush joints. This is an incorrect layout.

Most timber framing companies use some sort of "square rule" joinery layout as apposed to scribe rule joinery layout.

Scribe rule means that each timber is custom fit to each other timber that it connects with. This is a very time consuming method of timber framing as one timber has to be aligned with each other timber it connects to, one at a time, and the joint locations are transferred from one timber to the other via a plumb line.

To use a plumb line to transfer lines from one timber to another, each timber has to be aligned over a full size pattern of the frame drawn on a stable surface usually the floor.




 
Drawing joints like this is very difficult and time consuming. And each timber can only be used in this scribed location.

To improve the efficiency of timber framing a new method was developed called square rule timber framing.

In square rule timber framing the timber framer envisions that there is a prefect timber inside each timber. And that this inner timber is true and straight with prefect edges and each face is truly 90° a to all other adjacent faces. This inner timber can be inside a hand hewed timber or a sawn timber.




Now that we have visualized that there is a true shaped inner timber inside an imperfect outer timber we slide this inner timber over to one face of the imperfect timber and therefore create a reference face.

As we are visually sliding this timber over to the face, we also slide it over so that one corner of this inner timber aligns with the best edge of this outer timber, creating a reference edge.

We do this by visually inspecting the timber.




 
We sight it for the crown and we align the timber so that the crown is in the correct position depending on where this timber will be in the finished frame.

You probably already know how to crown timbers, but if you don't you do this by sighting it from end to end.

After you have inspected it and determined the side with the crown in it, line the timber up on our saw horses so that the best face of the timber for appearance is on the inside of the building and the crown is in the correct position.

Align the timber so that any ugly faces are on the outside, whether it's an interior bent or a gable bent. With gable bents you have two faces that are not going to show and you can hide a lot of ugly stuff. If it's an interior bent and an interior post then all four sides might show and therefore you should pick your prettiest timber for this post.

More in next posting......

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Re:Tools for Timber Framing=Using Layout Tools 2
« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2004, 04:23:04 pm »
Using layout tools
Part two.

Crowning horizontal timbers is easy, the crown goes up. Then look at the faces for which side is in and which is out, keeping the crown up. The corner where the top side (as this timber is sitting on your saw horses) meets the outside face is the reference edge. This edge is marked with triangles to show the reference face and the reference edge. I have a drawing of this:





As we are looking at this timber, in our mind’s eye, we look at this timber as it will be in its final position in the intended timber frame. We have to visualize where it will be when all the joinery is done and it is assembled in the frame. We may need to refer to our drawing of the frame in order to help us “see” which face of the timber will be the most important face for appearance and place that face toward the inside of the building but also keeping the crown in the correct position. And place any ugly faces toward the outside which will be covered over with the siding, flooring, and/or roof decking.

Once we have our timber faces selected and our inner timber is slid over to create a reference face and reference edge we label our face and edge so we can see where it is at any time.

For us to label this reference face we draw, with a pencil, a triangle on the reference face with one point of the triangle pointing toward the reference edge. And we darken in this triangle in with the pencil. Then on the adjacent face we draw another triangle with one corner of the triangle pointing toward the reference edge, and we leave this triangle open or not colored in. As shown in this photo:





Now that we have our timber inspected, and we have aligned our best looking face toward the inside of the building, and have labeled our reference face and reference edge we can begin to look at this timber for locations of the joinery.

I use square rule layout on everything, it's easier to make everything line up and fit correctly. All joints have to be laid out from one edge of the timber; the outside edge of the timber that is on the outside of the building is the most common edge to use.

As you can see in the above drawing and photo, the open triangle is on the side of the timber and the colored in triangle is on the top. The top is the reference face and they both point to the reference edge. This edge where two surfaces meet is called the "arris.” Now in the above drawing and photo this is a horizontal timber.
 
If the beam was a post then the end that has the label "inner timber" would be down toward the foundation and the arris/reference edge would run up the side of the post.
 

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Re:Tools for Timber Framing=Using Layout Tools 3
« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2004, 04:59:51 pm »
Using layout tools.
Part three.

Next, in order for all the joints to be in the correct place in a bent or a frame you have to establish (or the timber frame designer has established) some sort of frame rule or frame convention. Such as "All joints are laid out from the west side.” What these means is that somewhere on the drawing the designer has drawn in a compass arrow showing which way the building will be sitting; as it sits on the drawing plan. This compass arrow shows us which way is north, south, east and west. Like this:





And with some frame rules or conventions there is an exception: "All joints are laid out from the west side except the east most bent.”
 
This frame has five bents and all interior bents are laid out from the west face including the gable bent on the west side, all reference faces of all posts are on the west side and the outside edge is the reference edge.
 
Here is another view of this building:




You can see all the interior bents and that they are all laid out from the west face by looking at the through mortises on the posts where the tie beams meet. You'll see that the mortise is closer to the west end bent except the east end gable bent. This is so that all joints line up and everything goes together correctly.

Now, you hopefully understand about reference edges.
And you can now understand why you have to always hang or place your Big Al lay out tool so that the overhanging lip part is against the reference edge, like this:





I took this photo to show you what a Big Al looks like on a timber.

This way when you layout a tenon on the end of a beam that goes between two posts and the mortises on the two posts, are all laid out from the reference faces they will all line up and the joints in all timbers will be flush with each other.











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Re: Tools for Timber Framing List
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2004, 07:42:14 am »
Using layout tools
Part four.

I use the Big Al more than I do a framing square as it has the hang-over-lip and sits on the timber without being held in place and is easier than using a framing square.
Before we begin drawing an end of timber cut line we need to further inspect the timber for the locations where the joinery will be cut to make sure there aren’t any big knots or defects in the timber right were these joints will be. What we do is to lay a measuring tape on the beam and lock it so that we can slide it from end to end as we need to in order to locate the areas where the joints will be made.




Next we refer to our drawing to determine how long the tenon will be on the end of this beam. In the case of this beam the tenon is to be 4 1/2” long from the end of the beam which is 131” long.





Now we can see where the shoulders of the tenon would be if we make this location the end of the timber. We also look at other joint locations along the timber and see where or if there are any knots at these joint locations. If we see that there is going to be knots where the joints are intended to be we can slide the tape down towards one end of the beam or the other until these intended joint locations are in an area where there aren’t any defects or knots.
Once we have determined that using this starting point on the timber will not place any future joint locations in an area where there are large defects or knots we can begin laying out the timber by drawing the end of timber cut line.

If you are going to draw a line all the way around a timber, such as a cut off line to make the over all length of timber, you first start at your reference edge. And draw your line across this face at the proper spot.





But before you move your Big Al from this spot you transfer the line around the corner onto the adjacent face using the hang over lip of the tool.





Then you hang the tool down the adjacent face without rolling the timber and mark the line down this side of the timber.





This would be the side that has the open triangle on it. Then after that line is drawn you would draw a line down the opposite side away from the open triangle side, but hang the tool down from the reference face (the one with the colored in triangle) this way you have drawn three lines referencing from the same face/edge, and they should be in line or in plane with each other.





Now for the last face you can roll your timber over (placing the adjacent face up) and place your Big Al on it from the adjacent face (open triangle face) toward other side and then draw the last line from the second line to the third line. If these lines, the second line and the third line don't line up then your timber is out of square. If your timber is out of square then you make the lines meet by connecting the end of the third line to the end of the second line. This way the post will be cut 90° to the reference edge.





So in that case don't make the fourth line with the Big Al until you see whether or not the lines truly line up, or you'll have to erase or plane off the incorrect line. If the lines don’t line up then use another straight edge and connect the second line to the third line, so that when this line is cut the end will be 90° to the reference face and edge.


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Re: Tools for Timber Framing List
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2004, 08:25:34 am »
Just a quick note on the Safety Equipment above....I would add Kevlar chaps or jean inserts.  Anytime you are using chainsaws, big drills, skill saws, etc. get those chaps on! :)
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Re: Tools for Timber Framing List
« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2004, 06:53:31 am »
Good point Greg!
I added them to my list.....
Thanks.
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Re: Tools for Timber Framing List
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2004, 07:25:55 am »
Using Layout Tools
Part Five A.

After we have drawn a line completely around a timber as an end of beam cut line, we next measure over and locate the shoulder line:

 



We do this by using a tape measure, but not from the end of the tape. The end of the tape has a movable hook on it so that when you use it to hook over an end of a piece of wood the hook slides out to read the correct length. But when you use your tape for an inside measurements, up against another object, like a wall, the hook end slides back to give you the correct inside measurement.

This sliding end hook shouldn't be trusted to give an accurate measurement. So we disregard this hook and use the ten inch mark as our beginning mark.
It’s easy to line up the ten inch mark on a line and then add ten inches to our measurement to get the correct location.

In the above photo the ten inch mark is lined up on the end of timber cut line and he is marking off the tenon shoulder location (in this case four and one half inches).

One more thing about tapes. I buy a new tape for laying out a frame. I only use that “frame tape” on laying out timbers for this frame. I don’t use this tape for any other project at any time.  And I don’t use any other tape for laying out this frame. Tapes can be different from tape to tape, and brand to brand. We’d hope they are all the same, but experience has showed us this is not always true.

Understanding what we want to layout in the first place helps. We get this information from our timber frame drawing and the frame conventions.

The timber in the picture above is a five by five inch timber that we’ll be laying out a four and one half inch long tenon on. The layout will be one and one half inches off the layout face and the tenon will be one and one half inches thick. The tenon will be reduced to four and one half inches in width to comply with our frame rule. That frame rule is that all timbers are sized down to the next one half inch in size, at the joint location.

Here is a drawing of what we will be creating:

 



Here it is labeled so we see what is what:

 



Now that we have our shoulder location marked and we have an understanding of what we want to layout, we can again begin with our Big Al layout tool.

First we mark the shoulder location on the reference face from the reference edge over to the one and one half inch slot:

 



Starting at the edge we draw a line over to the spot opposite the one and one half inch slot but not clean across the timber:

 



Then without moving the Big Al we pick up our pencil and start drawing the line again at the three inch slot:
 




And carry that line all the way over to the other edge.

Next, we slide the Big Al down and mark off the tenon lines at the one and one half slot:

 



And the three inch slot, making a tenon one and one half inches thick:

 



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Re: Tools for Timber Framing List
« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2004, 08:19:48 am »
Using Layout Tools
Part 5 B


The next step is to bring these lines around the end of the timber:




 
And the other line:

 



Now we mark the tenon size on the four and one half slot:

 



At this point we have the top of the timber marked and the end of the timber marked.

Now we need to mark off the sides of the timber:

 



First we draw the shoulder line down the side from the top (reference face) to the bottom. Then we slide the Big Al over and mark the tenon size line across the bottom:

 



This size line is carried beyond the shoulder line to allow the timber to be reduced enough so that it won’t be in the way of any part of the adjoining timber. We usually carry the line over one and one half to two inches beyond the shoulder. And then bevel that reduced face with a forty five degree cut.

And then we layout the other side:




 
First mark the shoulder line. And then the size reduction line:

 



Now we have three side of the timber laid out and we just need to roll it over and connect the reduction line across the bottom so that when it’s cut it will look like this:




 
The last step in laying out this tenon end is to score the lines with a knife:

 



We start the same way we drew the lines with the pencil and we score the lines with the knife. When scoring lines be sure to hold your metal straight edge on the timber correctly. And we score each line three times. Once very lightly, second time a little harder and the third time very deep. This scoring of the lines cuts the fibers of the timber and helps to prevent tear out when using a saw. Also, it creates an exact point, as the knife cut is absolute.

Next we will begin cutting the tenon to size.

See thread called "Cutting a tenon on a timber" for the next steps in this series of stories.

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Re: Tools for Timber Framing List
« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2004, 04:10:52 pm »
Jim,

I oughta know, being a TFG member, but I don't:  Where does one get a "Big Al" and how much are they?

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« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2004, 04:50:55 pm »
Jon:
You can get one from the Guild.
Go to the TFG web site at www.tfguild.org and select the online store.
Select tools on the store first page, and then select "layout template".
The "Big Al" as it's known as, was invented by Al Borneman. And he used to make them until just a few years ago. He retired and we thought we wouldn't be able to get them any more.
Then someone bought his patent and started making them again. And they are again available, from the guild.
They are $65 each ($65 each was the price in 2004) they are currently a lot more. They come with some instructions about how to use the hole on the end so that you can use it and make a 45° line but I forgot how to do that, right now.

One lip on the Big Al has a thick block, the other has a thin block, this allows you to use the same slots for different measurements off your layout face depending on which side of the tool you have up (or down). One side has full inch slots except the 1.5 inch slot, and you flip it over and the other side has slots on the half inch, due to the thick and thin blocks.
You can see in the "knifing" photo the end of the blocks and the labels on the up side showing you the measurement off the layout face.




One of my teachers told us he'd walk 50 miles in a snow storm up hill both ways bare foot if he forgot his "Big Al" and had to go home to get it...... :D

It's well worth the money and it makes drawing lines and scoring lines very easy and fast.

I hope you can get one and it should last you a life time.....

Good luck with your project....
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Re: Tools for Timber Framing List
« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2004, 08:14:45 am »
Tips on Using a Big Al for 45° angles.

Recently a fellow timber framer provided me with a instruction sheet on using the Big Al for making 45° lines.

Here is a shot of how it's done:





Basically, you place your Big Al layout tool on top of your timber and turn it until the "site" hole lines up with the edge of your timber. Simple enough.

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What software are you using for your TF plans?
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« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2004, 03:19:42 pm »
Hello Jim, I am the guy from NJ whom you sent pics to. I figured I would join the forum. This way I can keep in touch more and ask you questions.. If you don't mind. Will you be putting up a web site anytime soon? It would be much easier to do than having to send out photos all the time.

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« Reply #15 on: July 29, 2004, 05:30:40 pm »
Gilman:
The 3d cad drawings are done in Dietrich's D-Cad, and the 2-d stuff is their 2dPlanCad program.
The 2dPlanCAD is free at their site, which is http://www.dietrichs.com. Select english and find it under "Misc" under downloads, but you must first register with them.
If you'd like to discuss software you can start a new thread in this section and ask questions or email me directly if you're interested in learning more about this software.
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Dave:
A website with the photos of the tools for sale would be nice, but as they change weekly would require a lot of time to upload, and keep straight.
Right now, I'm way behind on updating the list of "for sale" items.
Selling these tools is not my primary business. It's just a side line to help out timber framers and others who need speciality tools for woodworking.
Right now were going to just continue with sending out pictures of the tools requested. Thanks for you interest and we'll have the list updated soon.
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Re: Tools for Timber Framing List
« Reply #16 on: November 19, 2004, 02:08:57 pm »
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I believe the "Big Al" layout tools is now $75 at the Guild Online store.

Better get yours before the price goes up again!

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Re: Tools for Timber Framing List
« Reply #17 on: October 31, 2005, 07:17:57 am »
Thanks for this thorough and very informative post of Timber Framing. I always wanted a Timber Frame home but lacked the skills in building one (I was 19 years old when I started). I think I have the skills now so I might make a few test projects first, archway in my home, mailbox, etc just to see how everything comes out. Then maybe from there build a Timber Frame addition. In any case, keep up the good work. You put a lot of time and effort into placing that stuff online and I wanted you to know that it was appreciated immensley.

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Any of you guys use lasers like the PLS 5?

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« Reply #19 on: September 21, 2006, 01:34:01 pm »
I love the "Big AL" what a great tool !

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« Reply #20 on: October 05, 2006, 10:29:48 pm »
"One of my teachers told us he'd walk 50 miles in a snow storm up hill both ways bare foot if he forgot his "Big Al" and had to go home to get it...... "

His name wasn't Dave C. was it?  :D I have heard that one before.

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Welcome, Dave Shepard, and yes it was Dave Carlon........
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Man I could spend a summer with you Jim. Unlucky for me I'm one of those poor saps that has to learn by doing not by reading.
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« Reply #23 on: December 18, 2007, 08:38:54 pm »
Wow!!! Thanks so much for all the information.  You took a lot of time to help a lot of people such as me.
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« Reply #24 on: December 18, 2007, 10:40:26 pm »
Hi,






 I rigged this up in about 20 minutes (after thinking about it for months) that has made my timber framing a bit easier.  I call it the flying H.  It consists of two peices of modified angle iron which I bolted to the bar of one of my chain saws to make a table to hold the saw at a right angle to the beam being cut.  It was inspired by the Prazi Beam cutter, but I didn't feel like paying the bucks for one of those underpowered deals when I already own a few chain saws and bars that cut alot faster.  I mounted the table about 10 inches back which can still cut my beams, but far enough forward to still tighten the chain.

With my chaps On I will even flip it verticle and run it like a prazi.  Sure beats running a circular saw around 4X and using a handsaw!

A word of caution however, being a chain saw, its cuts are not as consistent as you might like.  It is great for purlins or joists that sit in pockets where the ends dont show if you have any tear out.  I have also been known to leave a little bit (like in a squirrel cut) and then clean it up with a chisel for that "hand tool look" w/out the hand tool work.

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« Reply #25 on: December 18, 2007, 10:46:15 pm »
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« Reply #27 on: December 19, 2007, 03:34:42 am »
Hey Dave!

Good to see you on here, long time no see! This is my first time in the timberframe forum, I spend all my time in the sawmill forum... but I'm up in Vancouver, BC for a couple of days and went to Lee Valley today, so I'm thinking about chisels and bits for timber framing... I picked up an old (1840's?) 2" socket chisel, and a 1" auger, starting my tool bag... I figured I'd take a look over here and see what people are using... and who do I run into?? Ha!

Great little rig for your chainsaw, typical Shinnlinger engenuity...

Good on ya... I agree about the pics being hard to figure out... I got spanked on that a little while back... now I just need to remember 450 pixels wide and 35kb max...

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« Reply #28 on: December 19, 2007, 06:11:10 pm »
Norm,

You turned me onto this site!  Don't kill yourself on the tools.  I haven't completely digested this thread and the"Big Al" seems to be a neat rig, but I have been happy with my good ol framing square when production isn't the end all be all.  It is handy to note that one side of the square is 2 inches wide and the other is 11/2.  I figured that one out about halfway through my first frame.  Just line up one side of a 2 inch mortise and the other side is lined up too if you know what I mean...

I would say a nice long 1-1/2 framing chisel is sufficient as a 2 incher gets awful hard to drive after a few hours of mortising.  I really only use that one chisel, on a hot day I might swap down to a 1 incher to give myself a blow, but if I could only have one chisel a 1-1/2 incher would work for me.   On my next big timber frame I probably will throw down for a mortiser.  These things must pay for themselves pretty dang quick.  They are sacrilege around here as they are considered cheating, which I find odd.  If you are using a hole hawg, a circular saw and a chainsaw (Not to mention a tractor w/forks and a crane) what difference does it make if you are using a mortiser?  Most folks just want big beams and joints to look at and don't much care how they got there.

Another tool I like and I don't think is mentioned here is a Garland leather faced mallet.  They are designed for sheet metal work so they wont tear up your nice old world chisel, but they have enough weight to really give it the thunder if you are in a knot or hardwood.   Mine is a #3 split head which is a little heavy for mere mortals but the #3 pressed head is probably just right for most folks.

I only used a 1and 2 inch auger(9inchers) and a 2 inch forstner with the spur tip with the hole hawg, a 7-1/4 and an 8-1/4 circular saw, and the jems above on my last frame.  Plan your joints to what you have handy and make a go of it.  Some farmer hacked out most of the frames around here over 200 years ago with not much more than an axe!

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« Reply #29 on: May 30, 2008, 02:11:17 pm »
Great thread, Jim!
For new chisels, Barr Chisels are nice.  I don't own but got a chance to use someone else's.  I have antiques now, but I wouldn't hesitate to get the Barr ones.  Just google Barr tools.  As a matter of fact, I just saw Barr featured on "Cool Tools" on the DIY channel last night showing how they make them.  They are a smaller outfit from out west(Idaho or Utah I think).  All are hand made(using equipment).
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« Reply #30 on: November 19, 2008, 06:33:49 pm »
A quote from Norm...... Some farmer hacked out most of the frames around here over 200 years ago with not much more than an axe!     Jim you have no axe listed in your list?  Is there a reason for that?  It is the most used tool in my box, in that it removes more wood than any other tool.   I don't know if Barr makes any axes, I asked if he did a few years back and he said he would if I sent him an example or drawings.  I made due with what I had.  May entertain the idea again some time. 

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« Reply #31 on: November 19, 2008, 08:00:17 pm »
Tim:
I just forgot to add the axe.....
You're right it should be on the list.

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« Reply #32 on: January 03, 2009, 12:29:46 pm »
Wow
 Thats very thorough! We do a lot of scribe rule stuff with curved timbers in the uk
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« Reply #33 on: July 29, 2009, 10:21:35 pm »
A couple more tool I didn't see on Jim's list that I saw under Tom's link:  A very sturdy green timber cart and the crane on the Unimog.   Nice work, Tom.

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« Reply #34 on: October 10, 2009, 08:56:47 pm »
Very nice explanations, Jim.

I use a lot of long and bowed timbers, for which the Big Al would not work. But I'm getting one for my other 75% that it will work with. I think my helpers would benefit from using one.

Just for fun, I'll present a list of traveling tools that I can pack up in a bag and take with me to do any timber framing job. I will add to and edit Jim's list down to what I consider the essential travel kit:

Fits into one Tool bag or box, 26" long and about 12"x17" in cross-section.


Layout tools

Calculator (Construction Master)
Chalk line
Combination square
Framing square
Lumber crayons
Carpenter pencils
Giant erasers
Plumb bob
Tape measure (25 ft.)
Utility knife

Hand tools
Leatherman Wave
Timberframing mortise chisels (2", 1.5", and 1")
Slicks (2" and 1")
Wooden or leather head mallet (2-3 lb.)
Japanese (Tajima) rapid pull saw w/crosscut 300 & rip blades
Block plane (sharp)
Levels (torpedo, 24".)
Outside dimension calipers
Sharpening stones (oil for winter, water for summer)
   
Power tools
Heavy duty cordless drill w/1/2" chuck
1" auger bit, 1" spade bit, 2" Forstner bit
Circular saw, direct drive (7 1/4", about 10 amp)
Extra saw blade, thin kerf carbide.
Extension cord (#12, 25' minimum)

Personal Safety Equipment
Ear plugs
Job-site drinking bottle
Nail apron, or leather apron with pockets
Safety glasses & Sunglasses
Work gloves

All the other things you really need are common on any job site. Besides the bag above, I will normally travel with my chain mortiser, but I can do without it.




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« Reply #35 on: September 25, 2010, 10:49:04 pm »
Hello to all from SC USA.
I have been corresponding with Jim VIA email and I cant begin to tell you all what a help he has been! I am fixing to start a 12' X 16' cabin, for my cousin to stay in when he comes to hunt my property. Another project I am doing first is an addition on my double wide mobile home. As I explained to Jim, if you can picture it, half a barn, cut down the center, minus one half. The other half is stick built, with a walk onto timber framed sun room. I am going to attempt to design it on DIETRICHS 2D cad program. Once I get it drawn and designed I will attempt to post it for criticism or suggestions (both are welcome). I have my own 20 acres of 15 yr old lobblolly pines, and chainsaw sawmill (Logasol attachment with stadium bench seat guide rail). My own version of the M7. I am using a Husky 395 XP W/24" bar.
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« Reply #36 on: September 27, 2010, 10:14:38 pm »
I am a new member and am interested in buying some basic tools for personal use. Can I use this forum if I want to purchase something from Jim ?

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« Reply #37 on: September 28, 2010, 07:47:57 am »
I am a new member and am interested in buying some basic tools for personal use. Can I use this forum if I want to purchase something from Jim ?

Spenser:
Go to the "for sale" section and find the list of tools we have for sale. Also, my gallery has lots of pictures of the tools.
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Re: Tools for Timber Framing List
« Reply #38 on: January 22, 2012, 11:58:36 am »
Thanks for the post Jim, you are mighty resourceful!!  This will help me a lot as a guide for my building. 

Do you have a list of timber species and their value in timber framing?

I want to use ERC, but I know it is not the best for most structural stability.  I would like to see how it  rates versus other species. 

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« Reply #39 on: January 22, 2012, 12:15:46 pm »
Ozarkian:
On the left side of the screen is a red tool box. Click on that and select, DonP's calculators.
Here is a direct link for that list: http://www.forestryforum.com/members/donp/CalculatorIndex.htm

In the beam calculator is a list of the most common woods and their values. But you have to click on the list to find it. Here is another direct link: http://www.forestryforum.com/members/donp/Fblist.htm

Try that first and see if that helps you.

If you go to the plan section look at the frame evaluation I did for dunkudog
here is a link: http://www.forestryforum.com/board/index.php/topic,50714.0.html

 and read how it's done this may help you to understand how to figure out your loads and sizes.

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« Reply #40 on: May 14, 2012, 10:33:54 am »
Speaking of axes, Moonhill and I just had this conversation...I've been keeping my eye out for a certain axe for timberframing.  I used one Collin Beggs had that I really liked.  It's smaller than a felling axe, but larger than a hatchet.  Moonhill and I figured about 27-29 inches long overall, about a 2.25 lb head, with true fawns foot.  We also talked about the beard and jaw, and basically it has to have some curve to it and not be straight across.  I don't usually see many around where I live, but I'm keeping my eye out for what we named the "moma bear" axe.
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« Reply #41 on: May 17, 2012, 09:05:15 pm »
is it what they call a pole axe or trappers axe
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I am looking for a chain mortiser, does anyone have one they would be willing to sell?

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« Reply #43 on: October 15, 2012, 01:55:55 pm »
If they had one to sell it would be listed in the "for sale" section. Not here.

And if you want to buy one you should list your request in "wanted".... not here.

Your new post here is not in the right place.

But I think I'll leave it so that others will understand how find one and where to look.

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I have three very old Skill  Worm Drive Saws.  The Blades measure 11 and 5/8 and the saws and blades are dimond arbors.   Two of them are in good condition in the steel carry cases they came in from the manufacturer.  One has the book with it.
 Are theese saws useful for Timber Framing ?  I know they were used in the Hold of ships to cut caulking dunnage.   Usually 8x8 and larger Oak.   Anybody know anything about them?
 They look like you could cut your leg of if you wern't paying attention and holding on tight.
 I think theese worm drive saws have a lot of torc.  They weigh about 35 or 40 pounds a piece.
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« Reply #45 on: June 09, 2016, 12:29:30 pm »
Thank you very much for all the information, it helped me a lot. What do you think about locust tree for framing? I have at the disposal a lot of locust trees, unfortunately I can't tell the difference between Honey locust and Black locust. I also need a new circular saw, I found some positive reviews about Makita, see here for example. What do you think about circular saws with left mounted blade? It should improve the visibility.

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« Reply #46 on: June 09, 2016, 04:20:11 pm »
You could/should start a new thread for each new subject.
Locust is good for pegs, I haven't framed with it.
All saws have their benefits and disadvantages.
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« Reply #47 on: April 17, 2017, 02:12:54 pm »
Question for Jim Rogers:

Have you been able to test the new layout tool from TFHQ?

Would you recommend it over the original from TFG considering the increased cost?

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I've used it, don't like it.
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« Reply #49 on: April 17, 2017, 09:43:21 pm »
I have used it many times. I love it. Of course it is a bit different then the original Big Al but once you get going with it you'll wonder why they didn't put the rules on the original Big Al in the first place.

Due to all the rules all over every slot and all edges it costs more. But it is worth it in my opinion.

 

  



  



 

 

 

It's a bit larger so it's a bit heavier.

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« Reply #50 on: April 18, 2017, 05:41:58 am »
Great, thanks for your feedback. They are expensive for us Canadians with the current exchange rate, but I am hoping this will pay-off in time savings.