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Started by drobertson, December 13, 2012, 10:59:38 AM

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doctorb

Ron, you may be nuts, but it's not about this. 

Medically, we know nothing about trigger points.  I do not think that it's muscles "knotting" around the sciatic nerve, but I have no other anatomic explanation, so that will have to do.  Often, trigger points are injected in the office, with great, although mostly temporary, success.   Deep continuous massage of the trigger point (area of origin of he pain) also has benefitial effects.  All of these pressurizations of trigger points may be painful to go through.
My father once said, "This is my son who wanted to grow up and become a doctor.  So far, he's only become a doctor."

drobertson

Hey doc, thanks again for responding, I did talk to a local massage therapist, she said the same thing. I got her number from our local FNP, who has suffered with this condition as well. She repeated your words, It will be painful, and will alliviate but not fix the problem.  A nerve pinch is just that. an issue that originates in the spinal column.  I have the mri Jan. 3 and will go from there.  I have never, never, had such a deabilitating issue in all my life, the acl on the left knee was close, but I could at least walk and cook.  This is another animal all together. I am 5-8 and 165, not bad shape all things considered, but this crap is working me over to say the least. It even hurts to blow my nose,  I will let yall know, for however wants to know,  all the comments have kept my spirits up, and I am sorry for those how have the same issue,    :christmas: david
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Glenn

There is a great book called "the back doctor" by Dr Hall I think.  I have a copy of it here but can't seem to find it today.  I followed it and rear it many times as i slowly got better.  I highly recommend it.

SPIKER

One thing that I have used that has helped has been Alieve (Naproxin) and or Ibuprofen in 500+ mg dose.   Physical Therapy also helped a lot but had 3 different ones prior to finding one that actually helped me much.

for over a month I laid on floor with my legs on the couch in MAJOR pain.   Pressure Points helped in the past prior to this episode but nothing helped.   I got a respected surgeon to give me a shot (in the nerve bundle) hurts like #3LL for a bit but after about 15 min pain killers kicked in and I was able to walk out still not upright but close.   Had emergency surgery about 2 weeks later that removed 2 discs and the bones all chiseled off around em. :o    :-X :-\

I been wanting to get me one of the inverted beds but bad knees makes me not want to use one much.   Tried one in past but between the knees and my stomach it killed me.   The TENS units worked for temporally relief but long term I think could be part of my damaged nerves that left my leg feelings dead below the knee.

Mark
I'm looking for help all the shrinks have given up on me :o

drobertson

SPIKER, sorry about your pain, I am curious about the tens unit? What is this?  david
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doctorb

TENS -  transcutaneous electronic nerve stimulation. 

The theory is that nerves transmit pain sensations to your brain.  By filling those same nerves with continuous stimulation, like the buzz you feel when you touch a 9volt battery to you tongue, then the nerve is already "full" of sensations and can't  carry any more, thus decreasing your pain.  It does work, but not so in all situations.  But it's cheap, doesn't involve drugs, and can be used for long periods of time.
My father once said, "This is my son who wanted to grow up and become a doctor.  So far, he's only become a doctor."

SPIKER

What DOC said, with one caveat the pads have to be placed at the right spots for your particular injury.   Mine was OK for a while but the TENS units kept malfunctioning and on 2 different units 2 different times they failed and basically burnt holes in me. :o >:(   
The shock is a DC pulse that is ON/OFF like a small fence charger.   the rate (time) at which they are ON vs OFF is adjustable as well as the amperage & amplitude (voltage) at which it zaps ya.   When setup right the thing almost feels like a back massager vibrating ya.

They use a gel pad that sticks to ya and the current flows thru it into you back across the nerves that are passing pain signals into the spinal cord/column.   The effects last longer than the time you have to wear it but you have to use them a long time to get much relief from them longer term.   better than popping pills all day for sure.

again need to have a DOC that KNOWS how to apply them in the correct spots for your particular injury.   Usually a Pain Management specialist will know how to use & apply em.   the units are not cheap but are paid for my insurance for most plans.
8)

Mark
I'm looking for help all the shrinks have given up on me :o

drobertson

Well it is official, I am claustrophobic! I got the mri this morning and had to be pulled out for just a minute, as soon as I went in the the head supports were mashing the ear plugs and I just got kinda freaked out. She moved the pads and then I was o.k. as far as o.k. can be for me. what a deal that was. 40 min. and I was done. will find out next week as to the extent of any damage I may have. 
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Jeff

It is pretty amazing what a sudden beating a 9 volt battery can give you if your therapist inadvertently turns the TENS all the way up instead of off.
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drobertson

Had that treatment on my quad after the patela gragh in 04'  No kidding bout that them things really give a jolt.
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Tom L

here is something that works for me, have had shooting lower back pain down my legs for years, whenever I do something stupid, thinking I am a kid again and can lift heavy objects.

I take naproxen which is an anti inflammatory, at the same time I take glucosamine condroiton. it is a joint lubricant ,

my thinking is the anti inflammatory shrinks things and the glucosamine lubricates, and helps thing slip back into place. and it has consistently worked for me, may be worth a try.

drobertson

thanks Tom, been on that stuff since 04' after a patela graff on my left knee. Acl, work,  naproxin helps and ice, but only temp. hopefully I will hear back very soon, and get the jist on what is up,  this has slowed me to a very non productive condition.  And the pain is talking every single day.   
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doctorb

Tom L:

Not a bad combination, but medical science is having trouble digesting the effects of glucosamine/chondroitin sulphate.  Many studies show no real effects.  Yet, many people believe it helps.  My old labrador was hobbled with arthritis and had not climbed the steps to our second floor in years.  Three weeks after starting the glucosamine/chondriotin, he was standing at my bedside one morning.  So, something is going on.....we just don't know what.

The glucosamine stuff is not meant to be taken just periodically when you have increased symptoms, as you described.  Whether it is a joint cartilage supplement (some ads) or a "lubricant" (other ads), is very debatable.  It probably acts as an anti-inflamatory, just like the Naprosyn.  It is meant to be taken constantly, which ups the costs dramatically.  I'll bet some people here on the Forum take it regularrly and are very convinced of its results.  Others may not have seen much of an effect.  We just don't know at this point.

I try to be fairly non-biased when I make a medical comments here, but I must say that the theory that you ingest protiens that are supposed to "land' within your joint and rebuild your articular cartilage is just that, a marketing theory.  The stuff may well have benefitial effects.  But we don't know why it helps and it's certainly not a direct connection between what you eat and the health of your articular cartilage.  If diet were the key, we would be able to point out by now what you've been missing in your diet with regard to joint health.  Look, supplements have their place, for sure.  There are lots of alternative and supplemental substances with medicinal properties.  But the business of selling you stuff because you have arthritis, or high blood pressure, or sleeplessness, or BPH, or depression, or a changing sex life without scientific data to back it up is BIG busniness. We all want to believe that some root extract from South America will cure our ills, so we believe it.  And, some of us buy it.  It's no crime, but it may only be having a placebo efffect.
My father once said, "This is my son who wanted to grow up and become a doctor.  So far, he's only become a doctor."

SPIKER

Those TENS units are FUN when you have one in you pocket, and reach to adjust it only it backwards and crank it UP  :o :o 8)   once dropped mine out of my pocket and it yanked out the cable and fell on the floor.   It must have rotated it over to 100% and I plugged it back in  stupid_smiley man that thing took me to my knees!   hahaha   I finally took scotch tape and taped over the power setting to keep from it happening as often.

Mark
I'm looking for help all the shrinks have given up on me :o

Tom L



I try to be fairly non-biased when I make a medical comments here, but I must say that the theory that you ingest protiens that are supposed to "land' within your joint and rebuild your articular cartilage is just that, a marketing theory.  The stuff may well have benefitial effects.  But we don't know why it helps and it's certainly not a direct connection between what you eat and the health of your articular cartilage.  If diet were the key, we would be able to point out by now what you've been missing in your diet with regard to joint health.  Look, supplements have their place, for sure.  There are lots of alternative and supplemental substances with medicinal properties.  But the business of selling you stuff because you have arthritis, or high blood pressure, or sleeplessness, or BPH, or depression, or a changing sex life without scientific data to back it up is BIG busniness. We all want to believe that some root extract from South America will cure our ills, so we believe it.  And, some of us buy it.  It's no crime, but it may only be having a placebo efffect.
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so you mean I am not going to grow back all my hair and look 30 yrs younger  ?       :)

drobertson

I got the call from the neurologist today.  Feb. 4. I will know more,  supposedly a good group of doc's, time will tell. this crap has got to come to an end.  I have went from a (cocky lil $@#) to  a dehabiltated pitaful excuse of a mill hand, much less an owner, no one should have to battle this battle. less he is an out right @$$.  I hope I don't fill this description.  thanks for all the chat, and I pray for all those that have issues that cause pain. david
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proteus

Hope things work out. I know first hand how dibilitating this can be. 
Greg

SPIKER

It certainly can be a pain in the back side huh... ::) 8)   

in the mid 1990's mine acted up maybe 2 times a year at most for a wrong movement or 24hrs on the outside.    then by later 90's it was 3 or 4 times a year at worst that lasted maybe3 days discomfort/pain.   By early 2000's then was 3 or 4 times a quarter that would last upwards of a week or more.   started using the TENS units back then which seemed to help on & off for the normal pain but the September/October yearly cold weather changes kept coming around.

Most times spring & summer I was Good to go, Octoberish pretty much every year it got bad.   Then in 08 it went out & I went down.    I was flat over a month could not walk etc. took several shots to get me walking (hunched over) and surgery removal of 2 disks and hacked up 3 vertebra loss of feeling below my knee & full on pins/needles in my left foot 99% of the time now. 

they told me the nerve damage was due to prolonged nerve pinch thought I would toss out the VA did the surgery and is a teaching hospital that I never got a straight answer if they screwed something up by letting inexperienced intern operate on me...

I ended up with rather major infection very rough looking scar and some BAD pain was supposed to be out in 1 day was in almost 2 full weeks got out on walker unable to walk without it and took 4 months of therapy to get walking on cane and almost a year to walk without the cane.   all tolled it was about 14 months from time from day my back went out till I was walking unassisted again.

Mark
I'm looking for help all the shrinks have given up on me :o

drobertson

Wow Mark, man I hate to hear that, sounds like you dealt with it for a long time.  I have had minimal symptoms for years, just did'nt make the connection. Then this summer while wading the river it started to flare up, and just got worse and worse. never went away, Ice does help, guess I will find out a couple of weeks, I just don't want the shots only to come back later,  have a good one,  david
only have a few chain saws I'm not suppose to use, but will at times, one dog Dolly, pretty good dog, just not sure what for yet,  working on getting the gardening back in order, and kinda thinking on maybe a small bbq bizz,  thinking about it,

Polly

 ;) the best solution in go ahead and scheguel an appointment with a good nureologist and let him operate and get it over with , the pain you are encountering is caused by a nerve being pinched ,and it is not going to get better until that pressure being relieved , the longer you waite the longer it will take you to recover ,approx 25 yrs ago i went through this on two different ocasions ,i am 75 yrs old now and no back or leg pain  firs time it was sciatac nerve and second time it was the penal nerve ,the operation is minor compared to the pain you are encountering ,excuse my spelling my second grade teacher kept me two years trying to teach me something  ;) ;) 8)

drobertson

Polly, thanks man, this is my plan, I just hear about all the shots the come before a good fix. I would rather to get a fix as to the bandaid.  this doc is suppose to be a "good one" as many say.  Ice is on now and feeling pretty good.   david
only have a few chain saws I'm not suppose to use, but will at times, one dog Dolly, pretty good dog, just not sure what for yet,  working on getting the gardening back in order, and kinda thinking on maybe a small bbq bizz,  thinking about it,

Polly

 :) i realize most all cases are different , but in my case the surgent made a small incesion becide my spinal cord removed the material that was pinching my nerve sowed me back up 3 days later i was home 2 wks. back to work , better then going to the dentist anytime , good luck ,operation just a piece of cake  ;) ;) 8)

drobertson

Two more days til the first visit to the doc. Won't be a day to soon.  Moved the log splitter Thursday evening, thinking it is not that big of a deal,  ???  I am ready for a fix,
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Cedar Savage

Sorry for all your pain,seems like I have had back pain all my life. I'm 6'5" & its a long way to bend over to pick up something.
I used to go to the chiropractor alot & had some relief, but I noticed it was from the massage more, than the "adjustment" so I bought the very same massager he had.

Its the best thing I've ever found, better than pain killers, or any NSAID.
I put it on the couchn & I lay down next to it with it on my lower back...instant! results.... 8)
Here's a link to one like I have.
http://www.amazon.com/Single-Speed-Jeanie-Rub-Massager/dp/B000N2VPLI/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1359732568&sr=8-4&keywords=genie+rub
"They fried the fish with bacon and were astonished, for no fish had ever seemed so delicious before."         Mark Twain

drobertson

Thanks cedarsavage, my chiropractor uses this after treatments as well, I always meant to get one, and probably will after monday's visit.  Anyone who has had this issue well knows the pain and deabilitating effects it inposses.   The worst part is feeling great, without the mobility.  I really hope all you folks that might suffer with similar conditions find a way to aliviate and excavate the pain and discomfort.   david
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