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Re: Sciatica pain
« Reply #20 on: December 23, 2012, 12:33:49 pm »
Thanks for the note slabslicer,  I have used the chiropractor for years, and the ice is a good thing for sure.  Glad yours is doing better, you know how bad this thing is, really stinks,   :christmas:   david
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Re: Sciatica pain
« Reply #21 on: December 23, 2012, 12:51:59 pm »
I was awake most of the night, I could not find a position that would relieve the pain. Have had it for years, I had to give up my sales job because I couldn't stay on my feet for hours at a time. Can't sit for long periods either. Ice and Tylenol seem to be my best friends now
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Re: Sciatica pain
« Reply #22 on: December 23, 2012, 06:13:20 pm »
I know the feeling man, it is a killer, never would have thought this would have brought me down!  It just kinda makes me made.  Jan. 3  I will find the culprit, after that only time will tell what will be done.  This cannot and will not go on.  I know there are ways to fix it,  and it sounds like the K plan will come into play.   :christmas:
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« Reply #23 on: December 24, 2012, 08:47:03 am »
OK, now I'll give the unconventional way I have handled it.  I've had sciatic pain off and on for a good number of years.  I didn't go to a medical doc.  I went to a chiropractor.  Mine did use Xrays, so it isn't just shot in the dark stuff.  First thing he did was to give some therapy to loosen up the muscles in my lower back.  The reason being is that you over compensate for your back being out of whack.  That causes your muscles to go into spasm, and that's where your pain comes from, as it knots around the sciatic nerve.  Pain pills mask the symptoms.

After a few weeks, he started getting the back into shape.  It took awhile, and I'm not really convinced that his adjusting cured the sciatica or if it got better on its own.  I've had a couple of bouts since then.

The last time I finally found a cure for me.  I found a book that talked about trigger points, and was written by a physical therapist up in Canada.  Its basically the muscles knotting around the sciatic nerve.  By pushing on the pressure points, that relieves the spasm and the muscle relaxes and the pain is gone.  I tired his technique, which meant I had to lay on a tennis ball, and the point was located on my hip.  Within 30 minutes, the pain was gone and I haven't had it since.  The guy did go into great detail about back pains, and cited the medical research on it.  Like all research, there are conflicting views.

I'm not a doctor like Doctorb, but I can say that it worked for me.  Whenever I tell people about the process, they think I'm nuts.  I do know that it worked better than the chiropractor, and I never needed the pain pills.  It hasn't returned.  Your results may vary.
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Re: Sciatica pain
« Reply #24 on: December 24, 2012, 10:18:52 am »
Thanks Ron, I will try that tennis ball technique, I have heard this , just have'nt tried it yet.   :christmas: :christmas:
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« Reply #25 on: December 24, 2012, 01:01:24 pm »
Ron, you may be nuts, but it's not about this. 

Medically, we know nothing about trigger points.  I do not think that it's muscles "knotting" around the sciatic nerve, but I have no other anatomic explanation, so that will have to do.  Often, trigger points are injected in the office, with great, although mostly temporary, success.   Deep continuous massage of the trigger point (area of origin of he pain) also has benefitial effects.  All of these pressurizations of trigger points may be painful to go through.
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« Reply #26 on: December 24, 2012, 05:46:10 pm »
Hey doc, thanks again for responding, I did talk to a local massage therapist, she said the same thing. I got her number from our local FNP, who has suffered with this condition as well. She repeated your words, It will be painful, and will alliviate but not fix the problem.  A nerve pinch is just that. an issue that originates in the spinal column.  I have the mri Jan. 3 and will go from there.  I have never, never, had such a deabilitating issue in all my life, the acl on the left knee was close, but I could at least walk and cook.  This is another animal all together. I am 5-8 and 165, not bad shape all things considered, but this crap is working me over to say the least. It even hurts to blow my nose,  I will let yall know, for however wants to know,  all the comments have kept my spirits up, and I am sorry for those how have the same issue,    :christmas: david
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Re: Sciatica pain
« Reply #27 on: December 26, 2012, 03:33:56 pm »
There is a great book called "the back doctor" by Dr Hall I think.  I have a copy of it here but can't seem to find it today.  I followed it and rear it many times as i slowly got better.  I highly recommend it.

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« Reply #28 on: December 26, 2012, 07:30:52 pm »
One thing that I have used that has helped has been Alieve (Naproxin) and or Ibuprofen in 500+ mg dose.   Physical Therapy also helped a lot but had 3 different ones prior to finding one that actually helped me much.

for over a month I laid on floor with my legs on the couch in MAJOR pain.   Pressure Points helped in the past prior to this episode but nothing helped.   I got a respected surgeon to give me a shot (in the nerve bundle) hurts like #3LL for a bit but after about 15 min pain killers kicked in and I was able to walk out still not upright but close.   Had emergency surgery about 2 weeks later that removed 2 discs and the bones all chiseled off around em. :o    :-X :-\

I been wanting to get me one of the inverted beds but bad knees makes me not want to use one much.   Tried one in past but between the knees and my stomach it killed me.   The TENS units worked for temporally relief but long term I think could be part of my damaged nerves that left my leg feelings dead below the knee.

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« Reply #29 on: December 27, 2012, 05:34:06 pm »
SPIKER, sorry about your pain, I am curious about the tens unit? What is this?  david
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« Reply #30 on: December 27, 2012, 09:45:29 pm »
TENS -  transcutaneous electronic nerve stimulation. 

The theory is that nerves transmit pain sensations to your brain.  By filling those same nerves with continuous stimulation, like the buzz you feel when you touch a 9volt battery to you tongue, then the nerve is already "full" of sensations and can't  carry any more, thus decreasing your pain.  It does work, but not so in all situations.  But it's cheap, doesn't involve drugs, and can be used for long periods of time.
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« Reply #31 on: December 27, 2012, 10:24:25 pm »
What DOC said, with one caveat the pads have to be placed at the right spots for your particular injury.   Mine was OK for a while but the TENS units kept malfunctioning and on 2 different units 2 different times they failed and basically burnt holes in me. :o >:(   
The shock is a DC pulse that is ON/OFF like a small fence charger.   the rate (time) at which they are ON vs OFF is adjustable as well as the amperage & amplitude (voltage) at which it zaps ya.   When setup right the thing almost feels like a back massager vibrating ya.

They use a gel pad that sticks to ya and the current flows thru it into you back across the nerves that are passing pain signals into the spinal cord/column.   The effects last longer than the time you have to wear it but you have to use them a long time to get much relief from them longer term.   better than popping pills all day for sure.

again need to have a DOC that KNOWS how to apply them in the correct spots for your particular injury.   Usually a Pain Management specialist will know how to use & apply em.   the units are not cheap but are paid for my insurance for most plans.
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« Reply #32 on: January 03, 2013, 12:56:19 pm »
Well it is official, I am claustrophobic! I got the mri this morning and had to be pulled out for just a minute, as soon as I went in the the head supports were mashing the ear plugs and I just got kinda freaked out. She moved the pads and then I was o.k. as far as o.k. can be for me. what a deal that was. 40 min. and I was done. will find out next week as to the extent of any damage I may have. 
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« Reply #33 on: January 03, 2013, 01:05:10 pm »
It is pretty amazing what a sudden beating a 9 volt battery can give you if your therapist inadvertently turns the TENS all the way up instead of off.
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« Reply #34 on: January 03, 2013, 01:08:08 pm »
Had that treatment on my quad after the patela gragh in 04'  No kidding bout that them things really give a jolt.
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« Reply #35 on: January 08, 2013, 03:04:08 pm »
here is something that works for me, have had shooting lower back pain down my legs for years, whenever I do something stupid, thinking I am a kid again and can lift heavy objects.

I take naproxen which is an anti inflammatory, at the same time I take glucosamine condroiton. it is a joint lubricant ,

my thinking is the anti inflammatory shrinks things and the glucosamine lubricates, and helps thing slip back into place. and it has consistently worked for me, may be worth a try.

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« Reply #36 on: January 08, 2013, 07:11:59 pm »
thanks Tom, been on that stuff since 04' after a patela graff on my left knee. Acl, work,  naproxin helps and ice, but only temp. hopefully I will hear back very soon, and get the jist on what is up,  this has slowed me to a very non productive condition.  And the pain is talking every single day.   
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« Reply #37 on: January 08, 2013, 09:24:26 pm »
Tom L:

Not a bad combination, but medical science is having trouble digesting the effects of glucosamine/chondroitin sulphate.  Many studies show no real effects.  Yet, many people believe it helps.  My old labrador was hobbled with arthritis and had not climbed the steps to our second floor in years.  Three weeks after starting the glucosamine/chondriotin, he was standing at my bedside one morning.  So, something is going on.....we just don't know what.

The glucosamine stuff is not meant to be taken just periodically when you have increased symptoms, as you described.  Whether it is a joint cartilage supplement (some ads) or a "lubricant" (other ads), is very debatable.  It probably acts as an anti-inflamatory, just like the Naprosyn.  It is meant to be taken constantly, which ups the costs dramatically.  I'll bet some people here on the Forum take it regularrly and are very convinced of its results.  Others may not have seen much of an effect.  We just don't know at this point.

I try to be fairly non-biased when I make a medical comments here, but I must say that the theory that you ingest protiens that are supposed to "land' within your joint and rebuild your articular cartilage is just that, a marketing theory.  The stuff may well have benefitial effects.  But we don't know why it helps and it's certainly not a direct connection between what you eat and the health of your articular cartilage.  If diet were the key, we would be able to point out by now what you've been missing in your diet with regard to joint health.  Look, supplements have their place, for sure.  There are lots of alternative and supplemental substances with medicinal properties.  But the business of selling you stuff because you have arthritis, or high blood pressure, or sleeplessness, or BPH, or depression, or a changing sex life without scientific data to back it up is BIG busniness. We all want to believe that some root extract from South America will cure our ills, so we believe it.  And, some of us buy it.  It's no crime, but it may only be having a placebo efffect.
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« Reply #38 on: January 08, 2013, 10:19:04 pm »
Those TENS units are FUN when you have one in you pocket, and reach to adjust it only it backwards and crank it UP  :o :o 8)   once dropped mine out of my pocket and it yanked out the cable and fell on the floor.   It must have rotated it over to 100% and I plugged it back in  stupid_smiley man that thing took me to my knees!   hahaha   I finally took scotch tape and taped over the power setting to keep from it happening as often.

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I try to be fairly non-biased when I make a medical comments here, but I must say that the theory that you ingest protiens that are supposed to "land' within your joint and rebuild your articular cartilage is just that, a marketing theory.  The stuff may well have benefitial effects.  But we don't know why it helps and it's certainly not a direct connection between what you eat and the health of your articular cartilage.  If diet were the key, we would be able to point out by now what you've been missing in your diet with regard to joint health.  Look, supplements have their place, for sure.  There are lots of alternative and supplemental substances with medicinal properties.  But the business of selling you stuff because you have arthritis, or high blood pressure, or sleeplessness, or BPH, or depression, or a changing sex life without scientific data to back it up is BIG busniness. We all want to believe that some root extract from South America will cure our ills, so we believe it.  And, some of us buy it.  It's no crime, but it may only be having a placebo efffect.
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