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Selling Cedar trees in east Texas.
« on: November 20, 2012, 03:20:53 pm »
A couple of months ago I had the biologist out walking our place in Frankston TX to help come up with a wildlife management plan. After noticing several huge cedars that had been cut and left laying in the pasture, he said that was a waste of some good money. He told me that most of the really old big cedars growing on the place could fetch a pretty penny. Does anyone know of any sawmills in the Tyler, Jacksonville, Palestine area that may buy big old cedars and what the going price is?

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Re: Selling Cedar trees in east Texas.
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2012, 12:50:41 pm »
Wellcome to the forum.  I may be able to help you with that.  I'll send you a mail.
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Re: Selling Cedar trees in east Texas.
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2012, 04:23:03 pm »
Generally cedar is bought by weight, however if they have been laying a long time you need to sell them hand scaled. As long as they are still sound you shouldn't have any problem selling them.

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Re: Selling Cedar trees in east Texas.
« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2012, 04:47:36 pm »
There is a cedar mill in Rusk, Tx.
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Re: Selling Cedar trees in east Texas.
« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2012, 09:54:38 pm »
There is also a mill in Elkhart, TX that deals mainly in Cedar.
I imagine the mill in Rusk that Texas Ranger is talking about is Wilcox. They deal in cedar, mesquite and cypress mainly.
While the mill in Elkhart is small and the one in Rusk is larger, they are both well established reputable sawmills.
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Generally cedar is bought by weight, however if they have been laying a long time you need to sell them hand scaled. As long as they are still sound you shouldn't have any problem selling them.
As your timber is still standing you would be better off selling by weight.  The greener the heavier.  I sent you an e-mail so you know you have at least One interested party.  The main problem is getting the timber to a mill.  A forestry consultant can get you the best price for it but you still have to consider the logging and transportation costs.
All these figure in to the amount paid when you sell the timber.  I'm not certain what the rates are right now because I'm just the sawyer at our mill.  The last I heard was around $26 per ton standing, $56 per ton if picked up at the logging site and $80 per ton delivered to the mill.
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Re: Selling Cedar trees in east Texas.
« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2012, 10:10:53 pm »
$80/ton does sound like good money! How many bf of cedar in a ton? (International scale) How big are these trees? I need some good cedar, but it's a bit too far for me.
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Re: Selling Cedar trees in east Texas.
« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2012, 11:53:52 pm »
Well okrafarmer I have 15 32' green cedar logs in my yard right now.   They totalled 7 tons at $80 per ton so 560 for the logs.  Accordinging to the international scale, I have about 1902 board feet.
So that's about 271bf per ton. If I'm figuring this right then that's around $3 a board foot.
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Re: Selling Cedar trees in east Texas.
« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2012, 11:57:17 pm »
If people are paying that much for the logs, they're made of gold!

Around here, I am paying about 1/10 of that, and I pay more than any other sawmill around. Of course our quality is not the quality you have, but still! I sell kiln-dried red cedar for $3 / bf, and green for $2. Price is more for premium quality stuff. Most of the mills around here treat cedar in the same price range as sweetgum.  :-X
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Re: Selling Cedar trees in east Texas.
« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2012, 12:00:39 am »
$3 BF in the log sounds way high to me.
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Re: Selling Cedar trees in east Texas.
« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2012, 12:03:03 am »
So-- how much do you sell your lumber for, then?  ???
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Re: Selling Cedar trees in east Texas.
« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2012, 12:04:10 am »
Try your figures again. Works out to $0.30 BF
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« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2012, 12:44:53 am »
Try your figures again. Works out to $0.30 BF

Ah. That's about what I pay for premium logs. Which may be the type he has there.  ;)
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Re: Selling Cedar trees in east Texas.
« Reply #12 on: November 25, 2012, 07:13:29 pm »
I did get my point off a bit huh :D  It comes out to .29+
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« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2012, 09:28:12 pm »
I did get my point off a bit huh :D  It comes out to .29+

 :D :D :D
Learner, you had us all excited there for a wee bitty.
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« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2012, 07:42:25 pm »
So sorry Okrafarmer.  I musta got the price we pay confused with what I'm thinking of selling it for per bf.  The cedar at Lowes, Mccoys and other Home centers here is NO-Where near as nice or good as what we have.  Sadly though, finding the going rate around here is difficult at best.
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Re: Selling Cedar trees in east Texas.
« Reply #15 on: November 26, 2012, 11:56:57 pm »
I don't think those tool-time walmarts sell ERC, I think it's either WRC or EWC.
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« Reply #16 on: November 27, 2012, 06:25:21 pm »
Honestly, it looks like the sap wood.  Light brown and ugly.  No character to it.
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Re: Selling Cedar trees in east Texas.
« Reply #17 on: December 02, 2012, 11:16:54 am »
I try to buy good cedar trees, I have a mill in Frankston

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« Reply #18 on: December 02, 2012, 07:19:58 pm »
Wellcome to the forum Cedarmann.  I had no idea there was a mill in Frankston.  What mill do you have?  Type and such.  Are you just starting?  Maybe i can help you find some cedar.
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Re: Selling Cedar trees in east Texas.
« Reply #19 on: December 03, 2012, 03:25:24 pm »
I didn't know they had a mill in Frankston either and I've been asking around for a while. I talked to learners dad about bringing them the to his mill in Palestine at $80 a ton. It was difficult finding someone to do the cutting for us, so me and the two guys i'm leasing hunting rights to will do the work ourselves.

I plan to start cutting some of the large cedars on the place on next week and the guys will cut the rest that I mark when they go up to hunt. We will fall the cedars and cut the limbs off and leave in the field until all the ones I plan to cut are down and I can find a flatbed trailer or two to load them up on.

Plan to take them to the mill the Wednesday or Thursday after Christmas. We want to start planting pines by the end of the month and American chestnuts and various oaks between January and March.

Two quick questions for learner...What is the minimum size in diameter will you guys accept for the cedars? There are quite a few very wide trees, but there are also a few that are very tall but with trunks with a diameter of maybe 8 inches. Also, can the the old cedars that were cut and left laying by nuckle heads last spring still be sold as long as they are still solid and intact? If so I can sort through and gather the solid unbleached trunks and bring in as well...