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Started by learner, November 16, 2012, 11:51:37 PM

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bedway

I got a guy stopped by yesterday asking for a mantel 10"x 8'x3"thick. Clear red oak. What would you think a fair price would be to charge him AL?

Al_Smith

I have no idea what the lumber prices would be in Pa for a clear piece of oak like that.You're looking at approx 24 Bd ft plus premium price if it were straight clear I should think .Cash talks though but Lawdy don't trade him for an old shotgun and a 14 year old coon dog  :D .Joking of course because I live in the land of the "horse traders "

Left Coast Chris

Ive used the Baileys end seal for years.   The five gallon bucket will last two or three years since I do mostly hobby sawing.   I did have to add water to it in year two as it thickened up in the container.  Since it is an emulsion it thins up with the water with no problem.

I have used exterior latex paint also.  We have a hot low humidity climate so I always use two thick coats if I go with the paint.  Get some cracking with one coat.   Baileys end seal one thick coat, generally no cracking.
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learner

Ok, I'm convinced that Anchor Seal or this Baileys is the way to go.  All I've used so far is Kool Seal roof coating but that stuff is MORE expensive. It works great and I was able to color it with food coloring for color coding the wood.
Was able to saw through it with No problems and yet it sticks good. Didn't gum up the blade either. But like I say it's prohibitavely expensive. So I will go with one of the others.
But I have to ask. Any ideas for coloring it or should I just pay the extra to buy it colored? Seems to me it wood be cheaper to buy 5 gallons and just divide into gallons I can color. Lord knows I have plenty of empty paint cans I can use!
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GeneWengert-WoodDoc

I strongly encourage you to use Badger Red coloring.

uW-Madison Class of 1960

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WDH

I personally like Red & Black  ;D.

Bedway, I would charge $4.50 per BF for the clear red oak mantle if it was dry.
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Okrafarmer

Quote from: WDH on November 19, 2012, 10:09:52 PM
Bedway, I would charge $4.50 per BF for the clear red oak mantle if it was dry.
How would you dry it, WDH, and how long would it take? Seems like it would be air-drying for years.

At this point, I would have to sell them green. I would be charging around $3 / bf green, that is premium wood.
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WDH

It takes a couple of years down here.  Your patience will be rewarded.
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Al_Smith

Well look at it like this .The guy is going to have 100-125 in the chunk of oak . Depending might have another 50 in it depending on how much ginger bread he puts on it .That thing will last 15 life times and is only a fraction of the cost had he had it custom made .

I got a grand total of almost nothing in that raised panal ash mantle I made .A few pennies for the sawyer and maybe 10-15 in stain and clear coat .I'll about bet a cabenite maker  would have laid a bill on me for over a thou for that thing .What ,two days of my  time ,big deal .

Geeze I could have spent those two days drinking beer and watching football or watching the grass grow which is about the same thrill to me .The ash was a much better use of my time and I still had a brew at the end of the day . ;)

hamish

Quote from: Al_Smith on November 20, 2012, 07:45:31 AM
Geeze I could have spent those two days drinking beer and watching football or watching the grass grow which is about the same thrill to me .The ash was a much better use of my time and I still had a brew at the end of the day . ;)

My favourite pasttime, drinking beer and watching trees grow!

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Al_Smith

Well beer is good for you contains vitamin P .

Okrafarmer

Quote from: Al_Smith on November 21, 2012, 08:21:39 AM
Well beer is good for you contains vitamin P .

But-- does it work for sealing log ends?
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tyb525

It works for spalting logs, I think ;)
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Al_Smith

Alright already I'll tell ya a beer story .My long time friend I've known since I was 9-10 years old about all his adult life had a beer keg on tap in his garage .Oh we'ed visit sip some suds and get rid of it behind his garage for some time ,years

One day out of the clear blue he says to me ,say Al you have white oak trees don't you .Well of course lots of them .So he says there's a bunch of shiitake mushroms on some white oak sticks  behind my garage .Spread them out in your woods and  see what happens so I did .

Well I couldn't figure out what on earth I got on my hands that smelled so bad --then it dawned on me . :D Never did grow any mushrooms .

Okrafarmer

He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty. Psalm 91:1

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Now selling Logrite tools!

Writing fiction and nonfiction! Check my website.

5quarter

Gene...you mean Husker red?  ;D

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BLink

Does anyone use Duroseal to seal the ends of the logs?
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btulloh

Anchorseal is probably the most popular product that's made specifically for the purpose.
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smoked

I have tried old paint, aluminum paint, automotive spray-on undercoating, and finally this summer Anchorseal.  By far Anchorseal is the best I have tried.  For a very limited hobbyist like me, I can see the 2 gallon pail I got lasting a long time. 

Has anyone tried it in a garden sprayer???  Seems like that would be a good portable solution for people who take the mill to the wood.
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YellowHammer

I've used several things, the smaller pump up garden sprayers require Anchorseal to be cut with water.  Still works, but... definitely takes two coats.

I've also used a Graco power sprayer, it's very fast but limited by the extension cord length.

A very large paint brush also works, but is slower and requires bending over for long periods of time.

I've recently been using the shoulder strap pump up herbicide sprayer UC sells for their product.  I didn't like the spray tips they provided, so put on a standard flat fan herbicide tip, and now it works great.  Very fast, and very portable.  The full viscosity Anchorseal stays in the shoulder harness hopper, doesn't dry out, so the rig doesn't require cleaning. 

The thing about Anchorseal is that you know it works.  If you don't spray hardwood logs or lumber, they will crack.  Spray them, they won't.   

I tried the different colors but didn't like them, they obscure the end grain and I need that view to mill more precisely.


YellowHammerisms:

Take steps to save steps.

If it won't roll, its not a log; it's still a tree.  Sawmills cut logs, not trees.

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Sawing is fun for the first couple million boards.

Be smarter than the sawdust

WDH

Robert,

I am interested in the sprayer.  Can you provide more info on where to get it?
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smoked

Hobby woodworker/wood burner
If I screw something up, it is free heat next winter:-)

YellowHammer

I bought it direct from UC Coatings when I ordered a batch of Anchorseal.

Here's a video using both the power sprayer, as well as the backpack sprayer.  Both work well but the backpack will let me roam a lot more.  Main thing is to pump and keep the pressure high and the Anchorseal patterns well. As I said, I use a slightly different flat pattern tip but they supply a couple choices with the sprayer.

The video is "How to Apply Anchorseal" with the girl in the yellow shirt.  She uses the backpack sprayer at about 50 seconds into the video.
http://uccoatings.com/videos/

I don't remember the price, it wasn't cheap, but about the same as one I had found for spraying herbicides at the local COOP but I figured this was more optimized.  So far, it's been very mechanically sound and I've put quite a few gallons through it. 

Although I've never had it clog, and I store the Anchorseal in the sprayer when I'm done, the exterior of the spray tip will sometime crust up messing up the even, flat spray pattern, so when I put the rig on my back I go by the air compressor and blow some air on the exterior of the tip to clear it. 

I use it both for log ends, as well as lumber before or after I sticker it, which is more efficient and less wasteful.  No more cleanup.  No more bending, much more better. 


YellowHammerisms:

Take steps to save steps.

If it won't roll, its not a log; it's still a tree.  Sawmills cut logs, not trees.

Kiln drying wood: When the cookies are burned, they're burned, and you can't fix them.

Sawing is fun for the first couple million boards.

Be smarter than the sawdust

xlogger

Robert, I have a couple of those back pack sprayers. I tried using coating on a small hand held one and it was too thick. Did you make the tip you use or was it one they offered.
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YellowHammer

I also tried to use full viscosity Anchorseal with the little hand held 2 gallon pump up sprayer with dismal results.  The Anchorseal dribbled out about as fast as a mouse with a UTI. 

So I was was very hesitant to spend money on a bigger version of failure.  However, I figured since UC Coatings sold it, and the video looked pretty good, not great, but pretty good, I figured I'd take a chance.

I was pleasantly surprised when I used it for the first time, its works at a much higher sprayer pressure than the handheld sprayers, but since I've never used another backpack sprayer, I don't have anything to compare it against on those. 

They provide a variety of tips with the sprayer, a brass round pattern and a red flat tip like used in herbicide spray rigs.  The round tip shot the stuff out like a shotgun, pretty unevenly, so was hard to get a smooth coat.  The flat tip also sprayed out a pretty good mist but in short order, I thought I could do a little better.  So I went down to Tractor Supply, and they sell TeeJet tips that fit the standard size of the sprayer nozzle.  I just bought a few orifice diameters and tried them.  Nothing wrong with the tips supplied with the sprayer, just I'm always thinking there may be something better.

What is interesting and surprising about the sprayer is that it actually puts on a thicker coat than I sometimes want, at least as thick as a brush.  Main thing is that in order to keep the pressure up high enough to spray and spread well, you have to use two hands like in the video.  Because of this I have tried cutting with a little water, but most times I don't, I just dump a few gallons in the sprayer and head to the log pile One hand pressurizing, the other hand spraying.

If you have a backpack already, I'd give it a try.




YellowHammerisms:

Take steps to save steps.

If it won't roll, its not a log; it's still a tree.  Sawmills cut logs, not trees.

Kiln drying wood: When the cookies are burned, they're burned, and you can't fix them.

Sawing is fun for the first couple million boards.

Be smarter than the sawdust

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