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Water Well Tank Location Question

Started by Radar67, June 07, 2012, 03:39:08 PM

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Radar67

Hello all. I had a well installed almost a year ago. This is a deep well pump type water well. As most know, the tank is located very close to the well head and the pressure switch. I am thinking of moving the tank to another location to accommodate a better pump house and storage shed. Is there any issue with moving the tank away from the pressure switch?
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pigman

There should not be a problem if the pipe going to the tank is large enough so that there is not a significant pressure drop between the switch and the tank while the pump is running. If there is much pressure drop the switch would shut the pump off and when the pressure drop in the pipe equalized it could cause the switch to restart the pump. If the switch was moved with the tank, this would not be a problem.
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Gary_C

Not really.

Here in the north, most pressure tanks are at some distance from the well. My well is probably some 50 feet from the point at which the waterline enters the basement and the tank, pressure switch and well controls are in the basement. The water line is all underground and connects to the well with a pitless adapter in the side of the well casing.
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Slabs

One of the local well-diggers says to put the pressure switch at the tank so that it senses system pressure instead of pump pressure.

Sems to make sense to me.
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Onthesauk

My tank and switch is in the garage, about 600 feet from the well.
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jdtuttle

QuoteIs there any issue with moving the tank away from the pressure switch?
The pressure swith has a small water line to the tank & would also need to be connected. If you want to move the tank why not move the switch too & splice your water line at the current location. Here is a site with more info.
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Radar67

Thanks for all the info. Moving the switch with the tank makes sense, and it may make relocating the tank easier.
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Cypressstump

If me, I would ensure that a back flow preventer is utilized near to the new location. It will save some grief if you ever need to reprime the system, will pull quicker.
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Radar67

Submersible pumps do not require priming.  ;)
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Al_Smith

You've got a foot valve on a deep water jet .They don't normally loose prime unless that check valve is stuck open .

As far as pressure tanks you can put in a many as you want .

Say you're in the shower and somebody flushs the toilet and scalds you .Just hang a little ten gallon pressure tank near the shower with a check valve and you'll never get the hide burned of you again .

Cypressstump

Opps, my speed reading wuz too fast I reckon, missed the deep well part.. ::)

OK - carry on !
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Gary_C

It's a good idea to put a check valve at the pressure tank and switch. Yes, there is a check valve in the submersible pump, but they do tend to leak after some time. If you have one near the tank, even if the one in the pump starts to leak, your pump will not cycle all the time. And the check valve by the tank can easily be serviced.

Quote from: Al_Smith on June 08, 2012, 11:17:23 AM
Just hang a little ten gallon pressure tank near the shower with a check valve and you'll never get the hide burned of you again .

Far better idea is to put in one of those relatively new temperature compensated shower valves. No more ups and downs in shower temperature.
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tractormanNwv

Growing up in a family of water well drillers, I can honestly say I have seen many versions / contraptions....My question to you would be,.....are you moving the tank up hill, down hill, straight out, and/or how far away?  Far out and / or up hill definitely try to keep the switch with the tank, if your only moving it 50-60ft away....well in my opinion you would be wasting money on wire for the switch. Unless of course your moving it 50ft straight up. Just out of curiosity, how deep is your well?

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Clam77

The average "deep" well here in the midwest is anywhere from 400-1200 foot deep.  I'd assume the water down in MS would be alot higher so as not to need such a deep one...??
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sandhills

Quote from: tractormanNwv on June 08, 2012, 06:09:32 PM
Growing up in a family of water well drillers, I can honestly say I have seen many versions / contraptions....My question to you would be,.....are you moving the tank up hill, down hill, straight out, and/or how far away?  Far out and / or up hill definitely try to keep the switch with the tank, if your only moving it 50-60ft away....well in my opinion you would be wasting money on wire for the switch. Unless of course your moving it 50ft straight up. Just out of curiosity, how deep is your well?

Jim
Not trying to highjack this thread but yesterday I just pulled my stockwell for the fifth time in the five years I've owned the property, it's ran from an old pumpjack and the cylinder sits at about 280', if memory serves me correctly the well is right around 300'.  This will be the third new cylinder in six years, as the previous owner put one in the year before I bought it, I wanted to go with a small submersible pump this time but was told not to with an old iron cased well, so I put another cylinder in.  Just curious on your thoughts about it.

Magicman

You did not mention how far you were moving it.  Since you do need to move the pressure switch with the tank, I might think about sizing the wire up one gauge to prevent excessive voltage drop.
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Clam77

Sandhills - you're going through too many well pumps in too short a time - something's causing them to fail... whether it be you have a bad check valve and the pump is running dry for too long and/or cavitating itself to death, a bad mineral problem, sucking in too much dirt since it's only 20' from the bottom... something.  You guys have a pretty deep water table out there if I'm not mistaken.... You may be looking at needing to drill the well deeper to get down below the water table out there.

They generally tell people to stay away from the submersibles due to the possibility of "growing" into the side of the well casing- usually from rust.  But if something's going on like you're sucking in dirt or running the well dry and cavitating the pump... a submersible one is gonna burn out too. 
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sandhills

Thanks Clam77, It really doesn't pump any dirt that I've ever noticed and I know it doesn't run dry ( the weep hole is only about 8' down so it only takes a few seconds to get water) but the cylinders keep cracking.  It really is a good well and depth for a stockwell is about average for that area, it pumps a nice stream for a pumpjack when the cylinder isn't  cracked  :D.

sharp edge

Taking a shot in the dark, I would  say to take the tail pipe off.

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Radar67

To answer a few of your questions, my well is 260 feet deep. The pump sits at roughly 180 feet. It is 80 feet to the water from the surface. If I move the tank, it will be moved closer to the power source, so there will be no change in the length of wire needed, and the elevation of the tank will not change more than a couple of feet (downhill actually). I've not built a pump house yet and wanted to get it to a better location, instead of right out in the middle of the area it is currently at. I am also looking at a reduction in the amount of plumbing pipe needed for my other water projects. (water to tractor barn, garden site, orchard site, house, etc.) My pump is giving me 25 gallons a minute roughly. (about 10 - 12 seconds to fill a 5 gallon bucket)
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SamB

The biggest issue IMO is separation of serviceable items within your water system. IMO it's easier to diagnosis problems when key components that can be grouped together are in the same proximity. Personally I'd keep the pressure switch with the tank. :)

Magicman

Ya got plenty of lumber to build the pumphouse?
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Radar67

MM, for now I do. I have to use of some of what I have to have room for more. :)
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Magicman

Then I will use it myself.  I hauled two very nice 17' logs today and have two more to get later this week.  It came from the same guy as that last came from.
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Kurius

Hi folks,
I have a somewhat related question... I don't want to relocate my water well tank, but I'm wondering if it's possible to relocate my wellhead?
I have a residential water well. I'd eventually like to park an RV nearby (at the side of my house), and I fear one day accidentally driving into the wellhead. Is it possible to do something like dig down and modify the vertical pipe by adding a 45 degree joint so that the well head comes up out of the ground perhaps 6ft away from where it currently is? Of course I'd hire a professional to do this, but just wondering if this idea is even possible. And if it is possible, might you have a rough idea on how much this project might cost me?
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