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JD 440 skidder
« on: April 30, 2012, 12:35:27 am »
What model of 440 JD skidder is worth buying ? I know it has several Letter codes and some are hard to get parts for. Anyone have any good advice ?? I dont want to buy one and not be able to get parts for it. Thanks for any info will help.

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Re: JD 440 skidder
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2012, 12:48:18 am »
My family has a 440c that has been great. Must run good fuel addative as the rotory pumps are not so great. Parts for john deere are expensive out here on the left coast, you can only get them through Brant. We did not try getting parts online.
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Re: JD 440 skidder
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2012, 09:35:18 am »
The 440 440A and 440B are all similar.The 440B is the best of that group. The 440C and D have a much different frame and motor. They are also almost twice as expensive on average as 440-A,B . You can get parts but sometimes you may have to buy used parts. I have been able to get parts for my 440B when needed but I did buy a parts Machine for $5K just to make sure .
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Re: JD 440 skidder
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2012, 01:04:50 pm »
I would only buy a stick shift, i seen a few guys go down, power shift would go out. They didn't have the money to fix it, 4 to 7 k, lots of money for a one horse operation.
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Re: JD 440 skidder
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2012, 09:00:07 pm »
Are these machines all powershift trannys ?? or what models are standard shift

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Re: JD 440 skidder
« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2012, 09:59:30 pm »
No, i knew a guy that had a JD standard tran, this was about 28 yrs ago. I don't remember the number on it, i know it was a 440, sweet little skidder with the stick shift.
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« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2012, 10:12:24 pm »
the 440c we have is a standard tranny.
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Re: JD 440 skidder
« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2012, 11:11:40 pm »
Theirs the Powershift, and the Syncro-Range in the 440's.

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Re: JD 440 skidder
« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2012, 12:01:35 am »
Sycro range I take it is a regular type standard shift I guess ???

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Re: JD 440 skidder
« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2012, 12:13:32 am »
Sycro range I take it is a regular type standard shift I guess ???

You would be correct.. its what I have in my '69 440

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Re: JD 440 skidder
« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2012, 02:42:07 am »
Yep, I've got a syncro shift in my 73 440b.
It's a pretty nice little skidder, real easy on fuel. You can spend a lot of money on parts real quick though. But that can be said for most of my stuff.

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Re: JD 440 skidder
« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2012, 05:20:55 am »
I have an 84 440d. Standard shift been a good little skidder.

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Re: JD 440 skidder
« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2012, 07:21:03 am »
Sycro range was in a lot of JD tractors too. It has a synchronized hi lo range shifter that splits the 4 gears on the other shifter. You can shift the high low on the fly but you need to stop to change between the 4 main gears. It is kind of backwards compared to many tractors.
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Re: JD 440 skidder
« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2012, 08:35:37 pm »
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Well, I like the 440's and two buddies own them. One has an "A" and lost his engine at a motor shop that was going to rebuild it. We have two options (I bought a 1/2 interest in it), one is to get an adapter and put a Cummins 5.9 I have here, (also have a JD 3 cylinder little brother to the 4 here, likely too small HP), OR part it out. I have driven it before he lost the engine. Everything else functioned fine, Tranny, winch, diff's........It has two new forestry tires on it.

Any thoughts on the Cummins?

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Re: JD 440 skidder
« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2012, 09:06:48 pm »
Cummins is a good engine, but I don't know what to tell you about the swapping details. What do you mean he lost his engine? Did it get stolen? Busted? Burned?

Deere's transmissions are good quality, as long as they have not been abused. Problem is with a machine that old, you don't know what's happened to it before you bought it.

My friends in upstate New York have a 1970 JD 4020 farm tractor, with the 404 6-cyl engine (94 +/- hp), and the 8-speed powershift trans. They bought it new, and have used it continually. I forget how many hours they said it has, but well over 10,000, maybe closer to 20,000. They have been faithful with their preventive maintenance over the years (on all their stuff), and have been rewarded with more than 40 years of constant service on the 4020. It has never had either the engine or the transmission overhauled. It functions flawlessly. When I visit them from time to time, it is one of my favorites in their stable to drive. They use it daily on the mixing wagon now, putting 2-3 hours a day on it (1,000 or so hours a year). They've probably had to replace the clutch, and do some other repairs, but 40 years hard work without engine, transmission or rear end failure or overhaul is very impressive in my book.

Meanwhile, they've had a couple of big Farmalls that they have had some serious failures on, in that time.

I've had multiple people tell me that Deere's PS transmissions actually are more reliable than the syncro-shifts, or the later quad-range 16-speeds that became available in 1972 and standard in 1978 in the big farm tractors.

They are definitely far easier to use, and much safer to use on hills.

The synchro is not a terrible transmission, but it is a bit of a bear to shift sometimes. The one advantage is that it is easier for the average mechanic to fix, and possibly cheaper parts.
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Re: JD 440 skidder
« Reply #15 on: November 17, 2012, 09:47:16 pm »
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Well, I like the 440's and two buddies own them. One has an "A" and lost his engine at a motor shop that was going to rebuild it. We have two options (I bought a 1/2 interest in it), one is to get an adapter and put a Cummins 5.9 I have here, (also have a JD 3 cylinder little brother to the 4 here, likely too small HP), OR part it out. I have driven it before he lost the engine. Everything else functioned fine, Tranny, winch, diff's........It has two new forestry tires on it.

Any thoughts on the Cummins?

 Ironwood
That 5.9 Cummins is going to be pushing 200 horse power. I'm a little concerned that would gut the differental's or the tranny, or both. The 5.9 is in high demand, you should be able to sell it and buy a 4bt Cummins (3.9), tune it down to about 80 horse power. Now you've got a good replacement for the 70 horse power JD that came up missing.

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1996 Timber King B-20 with 14' extension, Morgan Mini Scragg Mill, Fastline Band Scragg Mill (project), 1973 JD 440-b skidder, 2008 Bobcat T-320 with buckets, grapple, auger, Tushogg mulching head, etc., 2006 Fecon FTX-90L with Bull Hog 74SS head, 1994 Vermeer 1250 BC Chipper. A bunch of chainsaws.

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Re: JD 440 skidder
« Reply #16 on: November 17, 2012, 09:53:36 pm »
Yes, you don't want to overpower it too much. That's asking for trouble.
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Re: JD 440 skidder
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The synchro is not a terrible transmission, but it is a bit of a bear to shift sometimes. The one advantage is that it is easier for the average mechanic to fix, and possibly cheaper parts.

The synchro shift is a long way's from a terrible transmission. It's like any other transmission. You have to keep the linkage right, and you have to learn how to use it. I've got a synchro in my 440b, and a PS in my 450b. I honestly can't say that I prefer one over the other.

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Re: JD 440 skidder
« Reply #18 on: November 17, 2012, 10:03:08 pm »
I definitely prefer the PS for farm tractors. I have driven several different JD tractors with both transmissions (2510, 3020, 4010, 4020, 4320) and I have a definite preference for the PS. They cost more when they were new (and consequently, the used ones sometimes cost more too). On hillsides, being able to downshift without losing continuity of power is important. Any time you put in a clutch pedal, you are interrupting power from the engine to the wheels, which you do not do, if you simply bump the powershift lever without clutching. Put in a clutch pedal going down hill, and you speed up, making it even harder to jam a synchro transmission into a lower gear. That is why it is safer.
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Re: JD 440 skidder
« Reply #19 on: November 17, 2012, 10:11:38 pm »
Thanks, yeah after posting this I thought DUH, WAY long and too much power.

 I grew up working on a dairy/seed farm with a 4020,....nice machines. I think they still have that tractor.

 Thanks for the input, we're trying to decide which way to go on this. My buddy and co-owner had this skidder for years and used it all the time, nothing else of it's mechaincals is in question. Yes, the motor was sold out from under him at the shop (a long story about "owed" money and faulty mechanical work done on his trucks COULD follow, suffice it to say, the motor IS gone)

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Re: JD 440 skidder
« Reply #20 on: November 17, 2012, 10:25:07 pm »
Yeah, when you get in a situation like that it's best to treat the gone engine like water under the bridge.
Oh sure, it's fun to raise cain and maybe get even. But these days you'd just wind up in jail, and what good would that do you?
Did that sound like I learned that from experience?  :D

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Re: JD 440 skidder
« Reply #21 on: November 18, 2012, 12:31:06 am »
My recently acquired 440A has a new motor out of a genset.  If you keep yer eyes peeled on elame and c's list, you might find what your looking for.  The gensets run a little higher rpm's though.  Having a motor sold/stolen by a shop is bad news, good luck finding a replacement.
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Re: JD 440 skidder
« Reply #22 on: November 18, 2012, 01:02:57 am »
And the "syncro range" is Deere's way of making a clever name for a funny manual transmission, still has a clutch that you have to use between gears (hi-low-reverse) but you got 4 "ranges" to choose from, its a little strange at first but seems like it'll work out.
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« Reply #23 on: November 18, 2012, 06:33:09 am »
Dad bought a new 440B in late 71 or early 72 for $15.000, it was a great little skidder. I myself went on to become a heavy equipment mechanic and worked on several skidders from 1975 - 1986. The weak link to the JD Syncro Range is the top shaft, with the syncroniser (sp) design it has it wont take much abuse, especially running the wrong oil. I've even seen guys try running ATF in them and then wonder why they failed. LoL The 440s have a great braking system designed with a disk & pads at the back of the transmission, because of this the rear differental has to be solid meaning the axels are connected solid together with no spider gears. If it had spider gears it would tend to have the wheels spin differnt directions during heavy winching and not hold its ground very well. I went back into logging in 1987 with a 1976 440B and at times whish I still had it (now use a 540B Deere & 240A Timberjack) but I still work on equipment in what spare time I have. There are many 440s that are going from one generation of logger onto the next!! In my opinion the 440s are great little skidders that are extremely fuel friendly and with good maintaince will give many years of service. 
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Re: JD 440 skidder
« Reply #24 on: November 18, 2012, 08:03:57 am »
If they had just put individual wheel brakes on it, they could have given it a differential. Oh well. We've already talked about the lack of 440 differential in another thread. Evidently, the lack of differential hasn't been a serious issue or people would be complaining about breaking the driveline.
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« Reply #25 on: November 18, 2012, 08:50:02 am »
I just looked at my Deere 440 manuals and they (John Deere) call it the Rear Axle Differential. Even though there is a axle coupler (R37435) it's still aknowledged by Deere as the rear axle differential. I never said it was a bad thing as it works great with a small skidder on 18.4 x 26 rubber.
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« Reply #26 on: November 18, 2012, 10:12:54 am »
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Well, I like the 440's and two buddies own them. One has an "A" and lost his engine at a motor shop that was going to rebuild it. We have two options (I bought a 1/2 interest in it), one is to get an adapter and put a Cummins 5.9 I have here, (also have a JD 3 cylinder little brother to the 4 here, likely too small HP), OR part it out. I have driven it before he lost the engine. Everything else functioned fine, Tranny, winch, diff's........It has two new forestry tires on it.

Any thoughts on the Cummins?

 Ironwood

Will the 5.9l even fit? Thats a pretty good sized engine, and heavy too.. I wouldn't be overly concerned about being "over powered" My 440 is handling 130hp without any major breaks.. just shows you the weak parts in a hurry, and for my not so great tires, my lack of traction (Does good with chains on).

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« Reply #27 on: November 18, 2012, 10:59:56 am »
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Re: JD 440 skidder
« Reply #28 on: November 18, 2012, 02:41:15 pm »
I just looked at my Deere 440 manuals and they (John Deere) call it the Rear Axle Differential. Even though there is a axle coupler (R37435) it's still aknowledged by Deere as the rear axle differential. I never said it was a bad thing as it works great with a small skidder on 18.4 x 26 rubber.

I'm not sure, the later models may have had a differential. The 440, 440A, and 440B, definitely had a solid rear axle (well, it may have been made in two pieces, but if so, was coupled solidly). On another thread we were discussing it. If you go on John Deere's industrial website, they give specs for "some" former models, and some of the early 440's are on there. They specifically say there is no rear differential.
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« Reply #29 on: November 18, 2012, 03:05:51 pm »
JDParts listing shows a "fixed differential" as an option in the models 440, 440A, 440B.

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« Reply #30 on: November 18, 2012, 04:15:13 pm »
The earlier 440s (440, 440A & 440B) were available with both Syncro Range or Power Shift. The P.S. ones had true differentials in front & rear. The Synro Range had a true differential in the front with the locked differential in the rear. Technically a locked differential can't really be called a differential but often is, even by Deere or at least they call it that in the J.D. 440 manuals I have. I've never seen a P.S. in a 440C or 440D. The 440Ds Ive seen seem to be identicial to a 540B or 540D but with a Synro Range transmission.   
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« Reply #31 on: November 18, 2012, 06:36:12 pm »
The power shift a-b's had the full diff in front and rear with hydraulic lockers, the syncro had a "locked" rear and a lockable front diff, same axles and allot of the same parts, different tranny, and the power squish had brakes at all four wheels.  The C models and later are just different,

I was under the impression that a 540 was just a 440 with a bigger engine?  So it wouldn't be to far of a jump to say that a 440 could handle a bit more power, say 80-110 horseys
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« Reply #32 on: November 18, 2012, 08:55:03 pm »
I was under the impression that a 540 was just a 440 with a bigger engine?  So it wouldn't be to far of a jump to say that a 440 could handle a bit more power, say 80-110 horseys

Really? Maybe, but first I've heard of it. I thought they discontinued the 440 because it was physically smaller than they thought they could sell enough of.
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« Reply #33 on: November 18, 2012, 10:12:21 pm »
Sumting I heard on the enterweb, probably horribly missleading.  Anyway I was thinking of the older machines
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« Reply #34 on: November 18, 2012, 10:17:03 pm »
Well, I really don't know for sure, either way. I was always under the impression that the 440 was physically smaller than the 540. I'm sure that the 540 is at least heavier and more sturdily built. Deere went to a lot of trouble in the 60's and 70's to insure that when they updated a farm tractor and gave it more power, that they also beefed up the drive components. The 5020 and 6030 look very similar, but the entire drive line is beefed up on the 6030 to absorb the extra 30-50 hp. (just read that in current issue of Heritage Iron). Even if the 440 and 540 are a similar size, Deere would likely have made the 540 tougher.
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Re: JD 440 skidder
« Reply #35 on: November 18, 2012, 10:53:16 pm »


Will the 5.9l even fit? Thats a pretty good sized engine, and heavy too.. I wouldn't be overly concerned about being "over powered" My 440 is handling 130hp without any major breaks.. just shows you the weak parts in a hurry, and for my not so great tires, my lack of traction (Does good with chains on).

You can make anything fit with a little imagination, a cutting torch, and a welder.  :D
130 in a 440 sounds intrueging, 200 sounds like scrap iron. What engine are you using for 130 horse power? I'm getting ready to re-power my Fecon FTX 90 with a 3054T Cat. That will be upgrading from 87 horse to 122, and that's going to take a lot of upgrading to make it work.

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Re: JD 440 skidder
« Reply #36 on: November 18, 2012, 11:06:34 pm »
If they had just put individual wheel brakes on it, they could have given it a differential. Oh well. We've already talked about the lack of 440 differential in another thread. Evidently, the lack of differential hasn't been a serious issue or people would be complaining about breaking the driveline.

I like the brake setup on the 440b. The only complaint I have on the entire machine (that I can think of off hand) is the fact that the transmission is the hydraulic resivoir. 5 gallons isn't near enough fluid in my opinion. Even a small leak can put you in jeopardy on a long steep hill.

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Re: JD 440 skidder
« Reply #37 on: November 19, 2012, 05:13:53 am »
I also like the 440B, some of the best timber I've ever harvested we were using a 440B and got along just fine. Now I'm using larger skidders, burning more fuel and rarely cut the quality of timber I cut 20+ years ago!! 
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Re: JD 440 skidder
« Reply #38 on: November 19, 2012, 07:45:53 am »
I like the brake setup on the 440b. The only complaint I have on the entire machine (that I can think of off hand) is the fact that the transmission is the hydraulic resivoir. 5 gallons isn't near enough fluid in my opinion. Even a small leak can put you in jeopardy on a long steep hill.

For good or for evil, this is another legacy of the 440's farm equipment heritage. Up through the 1950's, JD tractors rears were compartmentalized with 2 or 3 different reservoirs. In the new models introduced in 1960 / 61, the reservoirs were all combined for transmission, rear end, PTO, and hydraulics. This was to simplify maintenance. With one big all-inclusive reservoir, it was easy to check two dipsticks-- one for the engine, and one for the rear end, and you only had to worry about two kinds of oil, for the engine, and for the rear end. So on their skidders, they took their contemporary philosophy of oil compartments, and applied it. As for whether 5 gallons is enough, I'd have to say, I can't answer that question.
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Re: JD 440 skidder
« Reply #39 on: November 19, 2012, 04:19:38 pm »
I have a buddy with a 440, put a rod through the side of the block, we came across a 6cyl out of a Combine at a reasonable price it was a tight squeeze but it fit fine and works great, motor never works hard anymore, best hing he coulda done to it !!
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Re: JD 440 skidder
« Reply #40 on: November 20, 2012, 12:03:09 am »
I like the brake setup on the 440b. The only complaint I have on the entire machine (that I can think of off hand) is the fact that the transmission is the hydraulic resivoir. 5 gallons isn't near enough fluid in my opinion. Even a small leak can put you in jeopardy on a long steep hill.

For good or for evil, this is another legacy of the 440's farm equipment heritage. Up through the 1950's, JD tractors rears were compartmentalized with 2 or 3 different reservoirs. In the new models introduced in 1960 / 61, the reservoirs were all combined for transmission, rear end, PTO, and hydraulics. This was to simplify maintenance. With one big all-inclusive reservoir, it was easy to check two dipsticks-- one for the engine, and one for the rear end, and you only had to worry about two kinds of oil, for the engine, and for the rear end. So on their skidders, they took their contemporary philosophy of oil compartments, and applied it. As for whether 5 gallons is enough, I'd have to say, I can't answer that question.

You can take my word for it.....It ain't!!  :D

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Re: JD 440 skidder
« Reply #41 on: November 20, 2012, 12:27:53 am »
Then put more in!  :D :D :D :D

Maybe you could install one of those sensors that tells you if your trans oil pressure is getting too low. (maybe it already has one).
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Re: JD 440 skidder
« Reply #42 on: November 20, 2012, 12:33:20 am »

You can make anything fit with a little imagination, a cutting torch, and a welder.  :D
130 in a 440 sounds intrueging, 200 sounds like scrap iron. What engine are you using for 130 horse power? I'm getting ready to re-power my Fecon FTX 90 with a 3054T Cat. That will be upgrading from 87 horse to 122, and that's going to take a lot of upgrading to make it work.

Andy

Using a JD 4045T out of Genset.. Was pretty much a bolt in.. biggest problem was the Waffle Plates and stub shafts to run the Hydraulic pump up front

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Re: JD 440 skidder
« Reply #43 on: November 20, 2012, 10:01:20 am »
I half wonder if that's the motor in mine?  Deere dealers around here have some personality disorders in the, Idon'tneedtotalktoyoucauseyoubuyoldjunkandrefusetobuyoverpricedoversi zednew
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Re: JD 440 skidder
« Reply #44 on: November 20, 2012, 05:53:45 pm »
Northman, cat too  >:(
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Re: JD 440 skidder
« Reply #45 on: November 20, 2012, 07:17:05 pm »
Oh, that manufacturers of portable sawmills would also be manufacturing personal-sized skidders! If companies like Woodmizer or Timberking built skidders, we would have what we needed. Including service.  :-\
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Re: JD 440 skidder
« Reply #46 on: November 20, 2012, 10:28:00 pm »
Then put more in!  :D :D :D :D

Maybe you could install one of those sensors that tells you if your trans oil pressure is getting too low. (maybe it already has one).

It has one of those things to tell if the oil level is low........A dip stick.  :D
It gets pulled at least twice a day (if I'm on it). The problem is that the 440 has a lot of steel hydraulic lines, and over 40 or so years or so they tend to crack. Even a small crack will rid you of 5 gallons of 303 tractor fluid before you even realize you have a leak. Hard on the tranny, and definately not a good thing on a 45% slope.

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Re: JD 440 skidder
« Reply #47 on: November 20, 2012, 11:04:56 pm »
Last year I was pulling a turn with ye olde 9n and broke the after market farmer made hydraulic line to the bucket, five gallons in the time it took me to realize the three point wasn't working, and I was thoroughly stuck between a stump and another log that had been fell across the skid road.  Ah fond memories... My hat still has a few dents in it from that one ;D
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Re: JD 440 skidder
« Reply #48 on: November 21, 2012, 12:57:27 pm »
There must be a way to get a sensor hooked up inside the transmission and wired through to the operator's station and a blinking warning light. Okrafarmer says, "There's no such thing as can't, especially when it really matters."
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Re: JD 440 skidder
« Reply #49 on: November 21, 2012, 02:32:51 pm »
Then put more in!  :D :D :D :D

Maybe you could install one of those sensors that tells you if your trans oil pressure is getting too low. (maybe it already has one).

It has one of those things to tell if the oil level is low........A dip stick.  :D
It gets pulled at least twice a day (if I'm on it). The problem is that the 440 has a lot of steel hydraulic lines, and over 40 or so years or so they tend to crack. Even a small crack will rid you of 5 gallons of 303 tractor fluid before you even realize you have a leak. Hard on the tranny, and definately not a good thing on a 45% slope.

Andy

The guys i knew that had 440's replaced the steel with reg hyd hose, other wise its a steady issue.
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Re: JD 440 skidder
« Reply #50 on: November 21, 2012, 08:38:36 pm »
A steady issue is an understatement. I'm replacing them with hoses as fast as they break. I just keep wondering how the heck many steel lines could they fit into one little 440.
There are a couple of lines in there that split when I wasn't working very close to town, so I brazed them up. I guess they'll have to break twice to get replaced.  ;)

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Re: JD 440 skidder
« Reply #51 on: November 21, 2012, 10:57:19 pm »

The guys i knew that had 440's replaced the steel with reg hyd hose, other wise its a steady issue.

Replaced all my hoses in mine a few years back when I stripped it down to a Bare frame and painted it.. Think I shed a few hundred pounds with all the sticks, needles and packed grease i pulled out..lol

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Re: JD 440 skidder
« Reply #52 on: November 21, 2012, 11:00:19 pm »
Think I shed a few hundred pounds with all the sticks, needles and packed grease i pulled out..lol

I wish it were that simple for me!  :D
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Re: JD 440 skidder
« Reply #53 on: November 25, 2012, 06:58:22 am »
For those interested, we are going to part out this skidder, see for sale section.....

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