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Started by Weekend_Sawyer, February 16, 2004, 06:42:54 PM

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Weekend_Sawyer

 Last Thursday when I was on a layover in San Francisco airport for 4 hours, I sat in the lounge reading a book while Martha Stewart showed me how to repot cacti. The next segment that came on amazed me, it was about a man made lake in British Coloumbia that had been flooded in the 30's there were cedars in the lake still standing under water that were 70 to 100 feet tall so these guys developed a mini sub with a grapple and harvester blade on it. It would grab onto a log, attach an air bag or 2 then cut the log off.

Amazing show. Did anyone else see this?
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Tom

No, I didn't.  But, I wish I had.  It sounds interesting.

Deadheader couldn't handle it though.  He's already been acclimated.  Ruint.  Blood's too thin.  He and Ed can't even go in 50 degree water anymore.  He's been Floridized.   :D

Besides .......

The water is too deep.  Ed's used to 10 to 30 feet now and that pond is over 100, eh? He might miss dinner coming up from so far down, and that wouldn't do. :D


Ron Scott

Ths site might be of interest. This Company is in BC. and does some extensive underwater logging.

http://www.aquaticcellulose.com/
~Ron

Fla._Deadheader

  I mentioned to someone in a thread a while back, about looking for logs in the Susquehana River. Whoever it was lives very close, and said the Susquehana has LOTS of logs in it, from past logging practices. Can't imagine why someone doesn't pursue those logs??? Hardwoods are pretty valuable. Folks today don't realize the quality of those Old Growth Logs.

  I got Ed an insulated Drysuit, Tom, and I give him a 10 minute lunch break. ;D :D :D :D

  I believe our boat would be capable of supporting a 30' arm with Robot. We need a Robot with X-ray vision, though ::) ::)

  Great Link, Ron ;)
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Ron Scott

I've dove the Susquehana River a few times near Wiliamsport, PA back in the late 70's. I remember some nice clear water, decent depths, with a lot of artifacts such as old bottles, logging tools and such and yes, logs.

~Ron

Deerlope

Underwater logging has been going on for a while near where I live. The Saint Lawrence river to be exact. They are getting some really old growth pine out of it and other types also. The water is so cold that the stuff has not rotted.
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Fla._Deadheader

  Welcome to the Forum, Deerlope.

  I don't think the water being cold has that much to do with rot. Here, in Fl, the water gets to 80° and the logs are fine. The Pine gets real soggy sapwood and makes it difficult to tong without ripping out. After it dries, the inner? sapwood, before the heart, becomes very usable as lumber in Flooring. Takes a nail pretty well.

  Ron, CLEAR water???  Must be like Heaven diving in that ::) ::)

  Any real size to them logs???  Have Barge--Will travel ;D :D :D   Any takers??? ;D
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   First, it is ridiculed;
   Second, it is violently opposed; and
   Third, it is accepted as self-evident.

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ADfields

Quote I got Ed an insulated Drysuit, Tom, and I give him a 10 minute lunch break. ;D :D :D :D

  I believe our boat would be capable of supporting a 30' arm with Robot. We need a Robot with X-ray vision, though ::) ::)

  Great Link, Ron ;)


Just wrap some coper tube around the muffler and stick the other end in Ed's drysuit with a little pump and head north!  ;)   Works good on Alaskan gold dredging, just keep the intake in the water so you don't get a steam bath! :o :o  Can you say "hot pants"? :D :D :D
Andy

Fla._Deadheader

  AD, we already done did that. Our engine don't run hard enough to heat the water???
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   First, it is ridiculed;
   Second, it is violently opposed; and
   Third, it is accepted as self-evident.

-- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

ADfields

Alright, hook him to one of them camping shower heaters like this. ;)
http://www.hotcampshowers.com/products51784.html

Or put a weed burner in place of the muffler, that will get him right worm. :P   You can do it Harold, I know how you work. :D :D
Andy

DanG

Harold, that boy's gonna waste away to nuthin on them 10 minute lunch breaks! Time he opens the peas, then whittles hisself a spoon, he ain't got time ta eat. Ya orter give him 12.
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ADfields

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Ron Scott

Especially when he has to eat with an insulated dry-suit on. Not enough lunch time to take it off.  ;)
~Ron

Furby

I guess I'm pretty much screwed on this thread seeing how's I live in Michigan and all!  :-/ But I REALLY like the underwater logging idea.  ;D

Fla._Deadheader

  Well then Furby, just jump in a decent lookin river and take a look around.

   Ever hear of the outfit in Wisconsin, that's taking logs outta Lake Superior???  Do a Google search on sunken log recovery, then you WILL be screwed ;D :D :D :D

  DanG, after he carved that first spoon, I saved it. Now he Don'T hafta carve a new one every day ;D ;D

  Nearly done with the Widow woman's logs. Got to go back to swamp loggin real soon ::) ::)
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   First, it is ridiculed;
   Second, it is violently opposed; and
   Third, it is accepted as self-evident.

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Minnesota_boy

I jumped into a decent looking river once, but I didn't see no logs.  I did come out with a Nikon camera once though.  :o
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sherwood

For more than one hundred years this log has been laying in
the Black River here in Wisconsin. One of about a dozen my
Wife and I found late last summer. This one had a hard to read mark end of D. J. Spaulding.  The water was a good two and a half feet low because of the very dry summer.  
This log was about a quarter mile from the road.  I think it would be too much red tape to get this log out.  


Pain in life is mandatory. Suffering is optional.

Fla._Deadheader

Yep, that's what we are  talking about. Checking into the salvage laws might get you some worthwhile logs. I would pursue it. Don'T cost nothing to do the paper chase. Use the "Save the Forest" approach. Tell them how a log salvaged is a tree uncut ;D
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   First, it is ridiculed;
   Second, it is violently opposed; and
   Third, it is accepted as self-evident.

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sherwood

My Mom, Dad and Great Uncle beat me to the good stuff
55 years ago. I guess I was along too, but at age of 10
months I don't remember much.
They camped and worked down along the river for a good part of one summer finding and removing deadheads that were lost during the logging drives of the 1800's.  
The first picture is of logs they had just dug of the sand ready to be winched out of the river.  They used a long pole to poke into the sand to find logs that were completely buried.  



The second photo is the crew loading deadheads onto the truck.



In camp down by the river.








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Fla._Deadheader

  Nice pics, Sherwood. You mentioned long poles to push into the sand. We have tried that in the river, but, the sand is well packed. Guess we gotta figger a way to penetrate that sand.  Thanks for posting those pics. ;)
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   Second, it is violently opposed; and
   Third, it is accepted as self-evident.

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redpowerd

didnt know aboot the underwater loggin from the st. law.
never seen it or heard of it. mus be up by massena where the grasse and raquette and st.regis come together. all them rivers flow from the adirondacks.
NO FARMERS -- NO FOOD
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Furby

Yeah Deadheader, I know all about THOSE logs.   :'(
When I first heard about what was going on over in WI from a friend I knew I had to find out more.  ;D
I LOVE that wood, I just wish the state gooberment wasn't involved.  :-/
I've come up with a few ways to get some but the fines just really aren't worth it. I was talking to a fellow who was a rescue diver in the area, he was telling me all about the logs in some of the lakes around here. He said that where ever a river entered a lake, it was like a log jam on the bottom. Some logs were just trees that came down river, but others.........  ;D

redpowerd

wheres the poster from the big river?
id like to know aboot this stuff
mus be im sick of workin in the woooooods
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Fla._Deadheader

 Which big river, Red???

  I would venture a guess that there is probably ¼ as much timber in the water, as there is on land. There was a HUGE Heart Pine Forest in the Southeast, and it only took 30 years to cut it all. Estimates are, 10-15% of all logs floated to the mills, went down, and are still there. Y'all otter talk to yer State Reps and see why them logs can't be recovered. Sure would cut down on what's BEIN cut down ::) ;D
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   Second, it is violently opposed; and
   Third, it is accepted as self-evident.

-- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

redpowerd

why, the st. lawrence, of course!
over half of the watershed off the adirondack moutians mixes with the st. law.
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Furby

The thing is Deadheader, before the state shut things down, they got the bright idea that those logs were worth more $$$.
Before they were just taking a simple stumpage fee, then they changed to a high % of value of log.

Fla._Deadheader

  Yeah, them are greedy little B*****ds alright.
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   First, it is ridiculed;
   Second, it is violently opposed; and
   Third, it is accepted as self-evident.

-- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

dan-l-b

Hey weekender, I saw the show too.  It was awsome. 8) 8)  The web site for the company was www.tritonlogging.com.  Dan

Kirk_Allen

Fla:
Use a long hollow steel pole with a slight point on the end and an opening about 3/16ths of an inch in the tip.  Run a SCUBA tank or an SCBA tank to the pole.  With a control valve on the pole you can use the compressed air to blow apart the sand and the pole will go down until it hits something had like a log or a rock.

This method is used on the flats near Turnagain Arm (south of Anchorage Alaska) when people get stuck in the mud, or galcier silt.  The compressed air will help to open up the locked particles so that people can get there feet out.  The same principal will work in any soil type.


WoodHead

I was fortunate to be able to acquire some wood from an underwater logging operation. The logs came from a deep lake in the Eastern Townships of Quebec. They were being sawed up for flooring. The end cuts were being split up for firewood so I rescued some of the better pieces and turned them into bowls. The wood was all hard (sugar) maple and produced some very colorful pieces. Apparently the sap is replaced by water over a long period and the minerals in the water will react with the wood to produce color. The predominant colors I have seen are yellow, blue and shades of gray. The wood is extremely stable and exhibits very little warpage after it is green turned.

The nice thing about turning is you can use pieces that nobody else wants. In this case they were salvaged from a firewood pile.

Fla._Deadheader

  That's what we found. The wood is very stable.
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   First, it is ridiculed;
   Second, it is violently opposed; and
   Third, it is accepted as self-evident.

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Ron Scott

Canadian Company Invents Underwater Logging Machine

Triton Logging Inc., a company based in Vancouver Island, British Columbia, has invented an underwater logging robot to harvest wood in areas never before possible, such as the waters of British Columbia's largest reservoirs.

According to Canada's National Post, BC's reservoirs contain an estimated five billion board feet of submerged timber. Around the world, 45,000 such locations hold an estimated 300 million trees, which could be worth as much as $50 billion.

The company has built three models of its $1.2 million patented Sawfish, a bright-yellow submarine about the size of a Volkswagen Beetle. Last year, it raised 25,000 trees from the depths.




~Ron

sawguy21

There is a huge amount of submerged wood here. During the 50's and 60's dams were built under the Columbia River treaty to supply power for the U.S. in return for big dollars which were used to build roads and other infrastructure. There was no time to log the areas before flooding, it was a feeding frenzy. The reservoirs are dangerous for boating as there is a lot of debris and every so often, a tree will break loose and shoot  up like a Saturn rocket then drop back just under the surface. There have been efforts to economically salvage the timber for veneer.
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semologger

my favorite show dirty jobs had a show about underwater logging. it showed the mill operation also. the cut the lumber in real thin strips. i think it was used for office desk and furniture pretty neat stuff how the water preserves the wood. high dollar stuff.

Ron Scott

~Ron

cdnwoodchuck

I have had the good fortune of meeting and talking with the inventers of the Sawfish, and they came and gave a presentation to my local woodworking guild.

Here is their website - http://www.tritonlogging.com/engineering.html

Enjoy!
Matt

Ron Scott

Some Underwater logging planned for Flathead Lake in Montana if permits can be obtained.

MT - Removing Flathead Logs Gets Complex
http://www.timberbuysell.com/Community/DisplayNews.asp?id=4233

~Ron

beenthere

Ron
Have a good friend (retired USFS) who built a house on the Flathead. I'll see if he has some info on the underwater logging.

Thanks
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redneck logger

i have seen it work on the discovery channel, i myself thougthit was  a nice machine,i think it would do ok around here because in hailafax,nova soctia there is a lake called govener lake the size of an ocean.
got to love working in the woods

John Woodworth

Years ago they drained Lake Cushman (Wash. State) to work on the dam and the salvage was brought to me to saw, was beautiful old growth fir ranging in size 2 to 4 foot. I cut it all into door stock material, many pieces well exceded the growth ring count, some over 30 per inch.
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Don K

I bet that was neat. I dream of the big cypress and old growth long leaf I know is buried under the mud in our local rivers. I know they are there as my grandaddy talked of unloading his trucks into the river when he was a young fella.

Don
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Chico

you know DonK they used to get that Cypres s from the greater Ala rivr Swampand take it all the way to fla in huge stringers and booms Theres still some there theres also some mahoganey and tropical cedar in a few places down there If I ever get enough money I plan on investigating it further
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Don K

First time I've seen you post, Chico. Welcome
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fishpharmer

I know a certified diver, with a fair amount of river experience.

He is a little overweight and out of shape.  Likes a challenge.

ME ;D

So if someone works up a plan in the next five years, maybe I could help, especially southeast.
I will be too old after that :D

That fella on axeman diving tonight was a tough fella.  I hope I can retire by then.

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Chico

The ones I know where they're at are in warm mater but sharks may be a prob on one of the locations the other thers a few Gatorand a few american saltys s but I still think they can be done I'm not sure you couldn't use a dragline and a bottom sounder to get the mahogoney , anderobia and cedar It's been there for 30 -35 yrs the cypress and heart pine closer to 100 -130 yrs We've got some co-ordinates on some of it we're just waiting on the right time We already have a release from the orig owner of the logs so maybe something will happen My biggest concern Is sea worms some of the logs we got from overseas had worms in them Most had died during the trip and we feel sure they should ok but That's just another factor to worry about
I'm always looking for something diff to try Only go around once
Chico
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Fla._Deadheader


We logged the brackish-fresh waters of the Middle St. John's, Oklawaha in central Florida. Logs exposed to the water for LONG periods, did have worm holes, but, mostly surface. Under the slab cuts, it was good as new. The HeartPine was punky on the outside. Some, buried under the sand, was good as new. Problem we had was seeing anything. Black water diving at it's finest.

  Never DID worry bout Gators, sharks or anything live. More concerned with MANMADE junk, like abandoned trotlines, wrecked boat debris, outboard motors, fishing lures, crab pots with hidden parachute cord buoy lines, and "Enviros" turning us in for "stealing" logs, even though we were REQUIRED to have permit signs posted on the boats.

  Kinda miss those days. It was always interesting to see what each log looked like, as they broke surface.  :)
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   First, it is ridiculed;
   Second, it is violently opposed; and
   Third, it is accepted as self-evident.

-- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

Chico

yes permits are a pain but luckily for part of the logs the owner gave me ownership as they were already paid for and tariffs imposed at the time were paid also the cypress and heartpine all but one of the companies are defunct but I know the owner and I think we can work something out I agree with the diving the trop hardwoods are in a pretty sandy place but the other I think that located them with depthfinder or some type of sonic we may do better dipping with a dragline as we used to do from a mill pond waters only about 40 -50 ft at deepest part I gotta do some more research and save some more money I may call on you when the time is right if you don't mind Did you ever look around apalach or up in wewaw area
Chico
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Fla._Deadheader


  No, we were in Central Florida, Lake George area, and North. We could NOT work any Lakes. Now, I guess everything is open.

  We were told of some that were over 10 feet in Diameter, but, never went looking for them.
All truth passes through three stages:
   First, it is ridiculed;
   Second, it is violently opposed; and
   Third, it is accepted as self-evident.

-- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

Chico

Fla I see you're in Costa Rica now Beautiful isn't it I got to spend a short time there back in the 70's loved it I wanted to live there then but my first wife wouldn't Shoulda stayed and let her leave a little early But you know about Hindsight. Has it crowded up much down there like so many of the other places
Thanks Chico
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Fla._Deadheader


It's not crowded in the north west part, where I live. I have NO plans to go to "Gringolandia", on the Pacific side.  ::) ::) Too many people. I like quiet.  ;D ;D

  Right now, it's very chilly at night. Probably in the high 50's, as, I live on top of one of the taller hills, for miles. Wind and misty rain-clouds keeps the temps in the flannel shirt dept. until around 10AM.
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   First, it is ridiculed;
   Second, it is violently opposed; and
   Third, it is accepted as self-evident.

-- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

Ron Scott

~Ron

beenthere

Amazing how jealous people can get when another figures out a way to "salvage" something. WI went through the same game with the underwater logging in Lake Superior.

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Ron Scott

~Ron

zopi

Where ya gonna get SCUBA for de mules?
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Ron Scott

House Rejects Deadhead Logging

Georgia Public Broadcasting (March 28) - House lawmakers have rejected a proposal that would allow people to profit by pulling logs sunken in Georgia's rivers.

The House of Representatives voted 67-93 to reject the legislation from Senate President Pro Tempore Tommie Williams.

His plan would have allowed the mining of deadhead logs, or logs that sunk when they were floated down the river so they could be sold a century ago or more. Supporters of the bill said the timber is highly prized and that the industry would create jobs.

Environmental groups argued that removing the logs could harm rivers, destroy underwater habitats, and stir up pollutants and toxins now trapped on river bottoms.

The E-Forester
~Ron

Jeff

I lean towards agreeing with that decision. I think that removal of logs that have been in a river for that long that have become part of the habitat and destruction of that habitat in the name of creating jobs or inventing income isn't a fair trade off.
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WDH

After seeing the yahoos that salvage the sinker logs on Ax Men, I tend to agree.  The logs are better left alone.
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colinofthewoods

I'm a little confused on the whole under water salvage operation.  is a sunken old growth better than standing old growth ,,  timber quality wise ?

WDH

Being in the water in the absence of oxygen causes some reduction reactions in the wood that change the color, making it beautiful and unique.  The wood itself is not affected.
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semologger

My uncle has around a 60 acre lake. He put in 40 years ago. On one end is nothing but good tie size oak trees stumps and all they just dozed over. Then they Danged it up. The trees are in around 10 feet of water you can see them plain as day. I wonder if those tree would be worth anything.

asca65290

Does anyone know of any underwater log salvage operations in the Midwest, particularly around Illinois?  I'm wondering if other species beside your standard pine or cypress are possibilities for removal, such as Silver Maple (aka, soft maple), Cottonwood or Black Walnut.

Ron Scott

There have been salvage operations in Michigan and Wisconsin. Some areas of the Great Lakes are currently being looked at by underwater salvagers. The Michigan legislature has also been looking at its log salvage permitting system for possible ease of permitting.
~Ron

asca65290

Yes, but they have a lot of conifers up there and I'm wondering more about other species like Soft (Silver) Maple, Cottonwood and certain hardwoods like Black Walnut and even possibly oak.

ArborJake

 I have a neighbor with a large pond made in the sixties. He told me there is a lot of cherry and maple in it . Would they be worth anything yet or do they need to be under water longer than 40 yrs?
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Jeff

I think you need to start out with old growth logs for there to be value. Most all the last of the old growth hardwoods was cut off in the first part of the last century. Cottonwood I'd think would be worthless. Its pretty hard to market any cottonwood.
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shelbycharger400

ive always wonderd if you put a log in private pond, how long would it take for the change in colors.

also,  if you put a log in a lake that has a lot of silt (burrying the log) how long it would take,  and even if you chained it,  would it still be yours, or considered "polution"

Ron Scott

Many of the "sinkers" in the Great Lakes were the denser hardwoods and not a lot of the white pine as people might think. Many were the northern hardwoods, sugar maple, black cherry, yellow birch, American beech, etc.

Much of the wood discoloration is due to the wood species and the various minerals in the water. Waters with a lot of iron will turn maples to a grey pastle color.

I'm sure that you would need a state permit to add woody debris in the form of chained sunken logs in any public waters. Then you would need another permit to remove them. ;) An environmental assessment would be needed to cover the site specific situation.

~Ron

Bayou Boy

   Well guys I'm new to the forum and have just started dead head logging her in Mississippi about a month ago. Many of the rivers creeks and horse shoe lakes are full of logs. Some are easy to get at and others aren't. I've only sold a few logs so far, I'm still looking for buyers. The logs are a mix of axe cut and dead fall cypress, pine and oak.
   I first started by contacting my Department of Forestry who told me they couldn't find anything about dead head logging. So they put me in touch with the MS Attorneys Generals Office who looked in to it and found no laws against it. He did warn me about ownership rights and water quality impacts. So I contacted the MS Dept. of Environmental Quality who said they had no laws against it and could see no water quality issues, if I were only pulling the logs out by boat and winch. They also informed me that no license or permits were required. My next step was to check into ownership rights. Mississippi has a law about public water ways. The laws say basically that a public water way and everything in it cannot be owned by a land owner who's land boarders or who's land surrounds a public water way. Now it goes on to say that a public water way, is a water way that is navigational and to be considered navigational it must have at least 100 cubic feet of water flow a second. No land can be crossed to gain access to said water ways without the land owners consent. You must navigate to it by water and stay within the normal banks of the water way. That is when the water is at its normal heights and not at flood stage. Natural made lakes like horse shoe lakes are considered public water ways scene they were part of a rivers natural course. Natural I must use reasonable care that my actions cause no harm to any person or private property.
   It's funny how every state can be so different. I guess when enough people start dead head logging here in Mississippi the state will not miss the opportunity to license it so they can make money from it.
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Ron Scott

QuoteIt's funny how every state can be so different. I guess when enough people start dead head logging here in Mississippi the state will not miss the opportunity to license it so they can make money from it.

That's what usually happens. ;)
~Ron

sandhills

Welcome to the forum Bayou Boy, think I'd try to stay as far under the radar as possible for as long as possible on this one if I were you  ;).

Woodchuck53

Welcome Bayou Boy. You'll like it here. We like pictures of most any thing our members get into. Are you a weekend type of woodsman or work in the industry full time? What sort of mill do you have or aspire to own? We have all kinds here. Enjoy and stay safe. Chuck
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thecfarm

Bayou Boy,welcome to the forum. Maine is real fussy on their water ways when you start to stir up the bottom. Good luck. Been around the wod industry long?
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Lucky Dog

Hey! I am new and super interested in underwater logging. Does anyone know of any crews working in the rocky mountain area?

fishpharmer

No info for you.  Welcome to FF. 
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beenthere

Welcome to the Forestry Forum.

Tell us more about your interest in underwater logging in the Rocky Mountain area.

Do you know of sunken logs in certain rivers or reservoirs? Be they from river drives or floating logs or from damming up rivers and flooding the trees??

Pls fill out your profile with at least some general location where you are at.
The Rocky Mtn area might be in Canada, or any of several states, or maybe even Mexico.

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Since I have the ability to see the email address of Lucky Dog, I think I can safely guess that his interest is not that of participation.  I'm guessing another reality show casting search.
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chet

Doing a search of his email address, shows he has a definite affinity for Yoopers in his casting preferences.  :D :D :D   
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WDH

Chet you will soon be a star. 
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WmFritz

I believe we would need subtitles on that show to decypher Yooper speak for some parts of the world... Eh?   ???
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Ron Scott

North Carolina Duo Sees Gold Mine in Underwater Timber

Hamptonroads.com (December 1) - Hundreds of years ago, massive virgin juniper and cypress trees from the Great Dismal Swamp fueled a lumber industry thriving around what was then a new trading center-Elizabeth City.

Loggers hauled cut trees on barges or rafts to the waterfront mills. Occasionally, loose logs often broke away and sank to the bottom, where they have remained since.

Because furnituremakers and other timber-salvage mills seek this rare, beautiful, old-growth wood, Randy Hiestand launched Deep Creek Logging, and plans to salvage the sunken trees.

http://hamptonroads.com/2014/11/nc-duo-sees-gold-mine-underwater-timber

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wfcjr

Not sure if any one has mentioned this or not...

Current issue of Northern Woodlands, Winter '14, has an article p.58, "Mining Timber".  Article is about
a company that has permits to haul up logs at the bottom of Quakish Lake in Maine. 

Neat article, but sounds like a very niche product.  Evidently the time under water has a huge impact on the
strength & structural integrity of the wood.  Looks like the wood is going into applications where appearance and
"background story" are important. 

Here is a link to the table of contents page.  Article is on p58

http://northernwoodlands.org/issues/issue

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