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Qweaver

This is a strange post to put on a foresty forum but I know we have a wide range of experience here...So I ask.
My doctor is sending me for a heart cath tomorrow to get ready for a heart valve replacement.  I've had a bad valve since I was a child and my heart doc has told me for years that at some point I'd need a new valve.  I guess I'm at that point but I'm not totally convinced.  A pigs valve has an average life span of 15 years and I'm 66.
My only real problem is that I'm getting short of breath with hard exercise.  Walking uphill gets me huffing but this leaky valve won't kill me right away and having to replace the valve again when I'm 81 is not high on my list.  Plus this operation is not for the faint of heart (no pun intended)  I've had several friends go through it and they don't want to do it again.
I guess I'll know more after the heart cath tomorrow.  With my life style...I'm amazed that I made it to 66.  But I don't drive formula cars or jump out of airplanes anymore so maybe I will make it to 81.
Anyone here gone through this?
Quinton







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doctorb

The overwhelming idea behind fixing your valve sooner rather than later relates to the strain /damage your heart muscle is sustainng.  With an incompetent valve, your heart has to work harder to eject an adequate volume of blood per beat.  The more incompetent the valve, the harder the muscle works and the more hypertrophied your heart wall gets. That's nice if your bodybuilding your biceps, but it's not good for your pump.

Get the cath. Listen to the reasoning for the timing of any proposed valve surgery, and then get a second opinion. My suggestion is to NOT focus on the average survival of the valve, but to focus on the strain you are putting on your heart now. That shortness of breath means your already compromised. Don't sacrifice a good year at age 66 worrying about a second surgery at 81. If your valve is causing these symptoms now, you probably aren't gonna make it to 81 without a new valve.
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DanG

Listen to the Doc, Q!  Also, there's a chance the shortness of breath is being caused by a blockage somewhere.  You'll know more after tomorrow.  Good luck, and keep us posted.
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ljmathias

Q: exactly same thing happened to me. Turns out, there's a genetic defect that runs in some families, mine included: the aortic valve is supposed to be tricuspid, with three lobes; mine had two, and it had to work a lot harder to do its job.  When I got to be in the late 50's, doctor noted during annual check up that there was a problem: sent me to the heart doctor who said we need to watch this carefully.  Six months later I was helping the neighbor put up trusses on their new house, working hard in the hot summer sun, and all of a sudden felt horrible.  Sat under a hose going full blast for half an hour to cool down and recover.  Went back to the doctor and he said, "Oh, and by the way, the first symptom most people notice is when their heart goes into fibrillation from overwork.  And by the way, that's always fatal."  Lesson learned: don't mess around with a heart valve problem.  You're lucky that you're showing symptoms at all, which means you really, really need the operation.  Turns out, to make a short story long, my brother (a year younger than me) came down with exactly the same thing, but they misdiagnosed it at the VA hospital.  Finally got to see a heart doctor who scheduled surgery two days later: the doctor told me after the operation that my brother would have died within the month had he not caught the valve problem in time.  He's doing great now.

My brother got the cow valve, I had the pig valve put in.  Many reasons, nothing to do with longevity: maybe a mechanical valve made of steel and plastic would last longer (although the recent data doesn't support that anymore with improvements in the preparations used for the animal valves) but you have to take blood thinner for the rest of your life.  If you're at all active, and cut yourself or scratch some part of your body, you bleed pretty bad.  Also, it's hard to adjust the dosage.  With a cow or pig valve- no blood thinner, better blood flow right off the operating table, and even an enlarged heart responds better than with a mechanical valve.

Don't get me wrong: for some, the mechanical is the way to go, but for active (read "not very careful") people like me and my brother (a wood worker), natural is better.  So what if you have to do the operation again: at least your quality of life is good and you still have one.

Oh, and if it turns out your valve problem is genetic, you should have siblings tested, male and female,  plus have your kids checked out as well: very strong genetic link.

If you want any info on recover, let me know- you'll be sore as all get out, recovery takes a few weeks, but then you snap back better than you've been for years!

Lj
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thecfarm

Just want to wish you luck.
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Jeff

Me too. Take care of yourself.
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Burlkraft

Good luck Q

Heart stuff is nothing to scoff at! Running out of juice is not fun. I still have problems at times. I can't muck a Larch out of the swamp like I used to.

I hope it all works out for ya.

When ya have the valve replacement are ya goin' for mechanical or hog?  ;) ;)
Why not just 1 pain free day?

Raider Bill

I concur with Doc B. Good luck!
The First 70 years of childhood is always the hardest.

Sprucegum

Go whole hog! I have never seen an unhappy pig  ;)

scsmith42

Quinton, funny that you should ask.... my Mom is actually the 7th person to survive open heart surgery in the U.S.  She had a valve repaired by a team of surgeons led by Dr. William Cornell in Phoenix, Arizona back in 1968 in a day long surgery that involved packing her body in ice during the proceedure.  The technology has truly come a long way. 

In '78 they replaced her valve (replacement was not an option back in '68), using a mechanical unit as I recall, and then there was an additional operation in the 90's. 

As concerning as heart valve surgery is, it has a long history of success.
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ely

i feel like you will be glad you done the procedure once you have done it. you will feel like a million bucks in a short while. at least thats my experience. good luck prayers are with you.

Bill Gaiche

Qweaver, I believe the Doc gave some very sound info. Hope you make that decission not just for yourself but for all of your family also. They want you around for a long time and in as good of health as possible. Good luck and take care. bg

Qweaver

Thanks for all the replies.  The heart cath gave me good news...no blockage to concerned about.  We have a retired chest surgeon in the family and he gave me the same advice and the name of a Doc that he trusts to do a great job.  Turns out to be the same guy that my cardiologist was suggesting.  So it's off to see the wizard.   :D  I hope to be fit for hunting season. 
Thanks again.
Quinton
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DanG

Good deal, Q!  Glad to hear that you don't have additional problems and you're following the wise course.  Prayers will continue. ;)
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Ernie

The Good Lord gave us two of a lot of things but only one heart, it's worth taking care of.  Take the advice.  Our prayers are with you.
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Qweaver

The surgery is set for Oct 5th.  Doc says I should be ready for deer season.  I'll get a pig or cow valve and he is not going to have to crack the breast which is good news for me.  I'm trying to get most of my heavy work done before the surgery.  This valve is funny.  I worked really hard yesterday, up and down the hill, and never got short-winded...Yet some days just walking makes me breath hard. 
Quinton
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Qweaver

Here's another wrinkle.  Doc says he has 2 pints of blood set aside just in case I need it during surgery.  I really don't like the idea of getting blood from someone that I don't know.  I asked the Doc if I could give my own blood in advance.  He gave an emphatic NO.  He was between surgeries so he did not explain why.  I don't have a good donor match in my family so I guess I'm stuck.  I have a friend that nearly died from a blood transfusion.  Got Hepatitis.
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kderby

Eyes on the prize, Quinton!  They will do thier best and you'll get some hunting in.  The alternative is.....


I enjoy your posts.  Get this taken care of so I will see you back here.  I want a report on the new parts under the hood.  I just turned fifty and I found a gray hair.  Yike!!!!

kderby

Raider Bill

How do they replace a valve without cracking the chest? WOW!!  Modern medicine is amazing!!!
The First 70 years of childhood is always the hardest.

doctorb

The sternotomy, or splitting of the sternum (i.e. "cracking the chest"), is avoided by going in between the ribs and spreading them apart.

I would not be worrying about the blood transfusion.  The genetic and immune markers detected in blood donation are very accurate now, and we have an absolute minimum of disease transmission with blood transfusions presently.  You can still have a reaction to matched banked blood, but that does not mean that you will be saddled with a blood transmitted disease.  Least of your worries at this point.  If I needed a blood transfusion and could not donate my blood myself, I would accept it willingly.

There are many reasons to autodonate (donate your own) blood.  There are also many reasons not to autodonate.  The main one is that giving the blood bank 2 units of blood pre-op means you blood count is decreased for surgery, as you will not have enough time to resupply all the blood cells that were taken.  Recent studies have led to a backing off of autodonation.  Some concluded that there was more risk in improper handling of your own blood (not stored or marked correctly) or potentially getting the wrong (unmatched) blood (a nursing error) than their was in receiving appropriately matched blood from a donor.   While autodonation was pretty common 10 years ago, it's done much less often today.  I also think that there are some cost issues pushing this technique into oblivion (aren't there always?).

I did autodonate one unit of blood for my total hip.  But it was at my insistence and not at the recommendation of my surgeon or the hospital.  I marked the bag myself so that, when it was hung up to infuse, I could be sure that I was receiving the same blood that I donated.  I don't envision the blood bank letting the average patient getting to mark up their donated blood bag.  So I took advantage of my position as an MD within my own hospital to assure there was no mistake.
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clww

Good luck to you later this week, Q! I'll be saying a prayer for success.
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Qweaver

I'm back home after the surgery.  Everyone says I'm doing exceptionaly well.  I quess I have to take their word for it but I sure feel pretty rough for someone doing so well.   ::)  The valve is doing well but the drugs are giving me fits.  My nursing care givers were such a great group of people.  Just outstanding folks.  Now just a few more weeks of uncomfortable healing and I can put it all behind me.

Quinton
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isawlogs

 They must of did something good , ya got out and woke up  ;D  Glad to hear ya feel bad, glad to hear ya made it through and feel bad, glad you are here to tell us you feel so wonderfull ....

  Now take care of yourself and rest up and do as you are told for a short time till you are all healed up.  8) 8)
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   Marcel

Mooseherder

Glad to hear you're back home.  You'll be good as new soon. :)

Magicman

Wonderful News !!!  Thankfully modern medicine has made the advances that it has and you were a worthy recipient.  Now for your recovery.  Keep us updated.   :)
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Burlkraft

Glad to hear yer doing well Q  8) 8)

It took me quite a while to used to my meds and then that's about the time they change them  ;)
Why not just 1 pain free day?

Ernie

It's always good to leave the hospital without a toe tag.
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Roxie

So glad to hear that you are home and mending!   :)
Say when

Qweaver

Thanks everyone.
It's getting better by the hour.  Getting my BP medicine adjusted may be the next hurtle.  It's looking like I may get to use much smaller doses than before the surgery.  I'm spending a much more comfortable day today.  :)
Quinton
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doctorb

Well done.  Continued good health.
My father once said, "This is my son who wanted to grow up and become a doctor.  So far, he's only become a doctor."

Roxie

I just found out that a friend that graduated high school with me had the exact same surgery three weeks ago.  He has a towing business and was back "bossing people around" yesterday. 

Although his children are thrilled that he is doing so well, I get the impression that they enjoyed running the show while he was down.   :D
Say when

Qweaver

Yes Roxie, my surgery was 2 weeks yesterday and I'm almost comfortable now. Sure was a long 2 weeks tho'  :o  :D
My dang bad back is more trouble than the heart now.
It sure feels good to feel good.  I slept 8 hours the last two nights.  8)
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isawlogs


Good news indeed, keep that up and you will be better then new in no time  :)
A man does not always grow wise as he grows old , but he always grows old as he grows wise .

   Marcel

SwampDonkey

First off, glad your back home and recovering well Qweaver.  It's about all in the past now. ;) :)

My uncle had a slight attack just recently and was transferred to Saint John for the die test and possibly stints. I have not heard for a couple days from mother. But if they were going with the stint procedure it was going to be yesterday and coming home today. Mother is staying down there in a hotel with a woman friend that lives with my uncle. Be home today hopefully along with uncle. This is mom's only surviving brother of three and he's the baby of the family.

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SwampDonkey

Looks like things are a little more serious with uncle. The stints won't do. Needs triple bi-pass. He seems to be feeling ok, was playing cards with his friend from home.  ;) Suppose to try and work him in by this coming Friday.
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  Hope all goes well for him Donk.
A man does not always grow wise as he grows old , but he always grows old as he grows wise .

   Marcel

SwampDonkey

Yeah, we got him home Wednesday and he's doing good. I've got to go up there in a few days to do some stuff for winterizing. Nothing major, just some styrofoam and spruce bows around the bathroom. And cut a piece of moulding and do a small paint job in the bathroom. I also like to go walking on the woods roads out behind this time of year.  :)
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Piston

SD,
Glad your uncle is doing good  8)  My grandfather had triple by pass about 8 yrs ago now, maybe longer, and he is still doing great at 92, although slowing down a little lately. 

Quinton,
Hope the meds are getting better and it is all sorted out for you.  I've always enjoyed reading your posts and I'm glad to hear about back in action  8)

How have the last couple weeks been? 
-Matt
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Qweaver

Another setback.  I got pneumonia in my right lung.  Seven more days in the hospital.  But it seems to be over now and Doc is sending me home tomorrow.  My taste for food finally came back two days ago and what a blessing that is. 5 weeks of just forcing food into my mouth is a great way to lose weight but not much fun.  Hopefully the last problem and all upward from here on.  I may get to deer hunt yet.
Quinton
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Magicman

Good news about going home tomorrow.  It sounds like you have crossed each hurdle in fine style.    smiley_thumbsup

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Piston

Sorry to hear you've been back in the hospital for pneumonia but glad to hear about you going home and hope you don't have any more setbacks. 

Looks like you got your taste buds back just in time for some venison  ;D  Hope your able to get out in the woods in time but if not, I'm sure you'll be happy with just being home   ;)

-Matt
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SwampDonkey

Just having to cough with that dose would just about kill a man in itself after heart surgery. Glad your on the mend. My uncle is doing well, he had to go on Tylenol with codine to keep from coughing too much. They had took him off that a few days ago and onto extra strength and had to go in to get back on the codine, much better. His phlem is clear though, what he does cough up. Has to sleep in a recliner for now, for comfort. It also stands him up. Gets sore though from sitting, even though he walks during the day for 30 minutes, in 5-10 m stints.
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scsmith42

Quinton, am glad to hear that you're on the mend.  We will keep you and your family in our thoughts and prayers, wishing for a speedy and complete recovery.

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Qweaver

This will be my last post on this thread.  The five weeks after the surgery have been the worst of my life.  Until wed. of last week I could not eat,(lost 20 lbs) sleep, have a BM without laxative, get my breath, everything hurt and I just felt plain bad.  But Wed. everything changed.  I'm eating like a horse, sleeping through the night and I feel GOOD!  I still have a slight cough but my wind is good and I could walk a mile if I wanted.  The ticker is working well to. Man does it feel good to feel good.  Thanks for all the get well posts.
Quinton
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Piston

-Matt
"What the Lion is to the Cat the Mastiff is to the Dog, the noblest of the family; he stands alone, and all others sink before him. His courage does not exceed his temper and generosity, and in attachment he equals the kindest of his race."

doctorb

Yeah, the journey is not much fun, but the destination is worth it.  Congrats.
My father once said, "This is my son who wanted to grow up and become a doctor.  So far, he's only become a doctor."

SwampDonkey

Yeah, its rough. My uncle cannot lay in a bed yet. He says he feels like he's suffocating, plus you can't move much because of your ribs.  A friend has brought in a chair a few days after he got home, he can adjust from laying position to upright to help him stand on his feet. He said last night his vision went strange for a few minutes, like a horizontal black line across the brim of his nose and some pressure. I think it's circulation, he has had it before in the hospital he said. He also won't wear his glasses as he's far sighted and might be getting a bit of head ache from that to. He bought the glasses a few years ago and has always been as contrary as a jack ass about wearing them.
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Qweaver

Just a PS here.  My recovery is complete now and I did get to hunt.  Put three deer in the freezer.  I still do not have the stamina of a 40 year old but I am 67 so what can I expect.   :D
We are considering building another house...that will test my recovery.
Quinton
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thecfarm

Another house? Good for you. Is this for you,kids? Glad all is well now.
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doctorb

Excited for you.  Remebering the way your life was prior to your heart valve surgery, are you better now?  Is your shortness of breath imporoved?  Do you have more pep?  Are you glad you did it?  By the sounds of your post (hunting and building!), it would appear that you are a success!
My father once said, "This is my son who wanted to grow up and become a doctor.  So far, he's only become a doctor."

Qweaver

Hey doctorb,  I'm absolutely vastly improved by having the operation.  I'm sure that it was the right thing to do.  Much improved breathing and stamina.  The old grew mare just ain't what she used to be.   :D  My lifestyle did not help me get to a long painless life.  I'm amazed that I made it to 60.  Lots of racing car crashes, sailing trama (had me in a wheel chair for awhile) and many skydiving hard openings, landings and misc. impacts.  But I can deal with it...just not doing back flips anymore.
Quinton
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