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Started by Gary_C, June 19, 2011, 09:27:04 PM

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Gary_C

Just got this from the MN director of Forestry directed to: State Timber Permit holders

As you may know, funding for most state government operations has not been
appropriated beyond June 30 of this year. At this time, we do not know whether the
biennial budget process will conclude in time to avoid a disruption to our timber harvest
operations. In the meantime, the DNR is developing plans to minimize the disruptions to
our permit holders.
The DNR will not be invoking cancellation or termination clauses for contracts or
permits
, but all work will be suspended as of July 1, 2011. Additionally, sale openings
will be suspended, beginning 4:30 p.m., Friday, June 24. Please consider this your
notice that any cutting block that has not been secured or has not had a presale
meeting may not be opened after June 24. For example, any block currently being
harvested may be completed (as long as the work is done by June 30), but new blocks
may not be opened after June 24.
Further details about any timber harvest suspension will be sent June 24 if the potential
shutdown becomes more likely. We sincerely regret the need to take this action and
appreciate your full cooperation. Please contact your state timber sale administrator if
you have questions.


I reviewed my timber permits and do not see any provision for suspension or cancellation other than if I violate any of the terms. So I don't know where they are finding that clause to invoke. Don't see how they can do it, but that's what they plan.  ::)
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Ron Scott

We've had the same thing happen here in Michigan the past 2 years, but then they passed a budget to go forward just 1 minute before midnight to avoid the shut down. Michigan's fiscal year ends on September 30th, similar to the Feds who have been doing this on a regular basis for the past several years.

If the government agencies don't have any money they just "shut down" no matter what the contract says. Only essential services are allowed to continue and timber harvesting isn't one of the essential services.

~Ron

WDH

It doesn't seem like that they can do this to you legally if you bought the timber.  Will this shut you down, too?
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Government knows best, Libs must be thrilled over the Power. ::)


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jim king

I sure wish the US Government would run out of whatever fund it is that allows them to spend tens of millions of your money here to destroy the Amazon with laws pushed thru the Peruvian Congress in the name of the "enviornment".  Absolute ignorance on behalf of the American Congress. 

I cannot believe they understand what they have done.  Ironic that this area is going into a shut down of legal business and pushed into cocaine production because of an excess of American money.

Ron Wenrich

For the past 8 years, Pennsylvania hasn't had their budget in place on time.  They didn't shut down any operations, and merely kept on running on the previous year's budget.  This year they might get one done on time.

On a side note, I talked to a log buyer yesterday and he said a lot of the loggers have parked their logging equipment in the northern part of the state.  They're running equipment in the shale gas area.  How does this affect government stumpage in the area or private stumpage?  No one buying or selling except to clear off for drilling pads.
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SwampDonkey

Up here everyone from landowners to the native community are hard against shale gas. As most of us NB know, not much of it will ever benefit NB. The gas and the $$ leave and the government gets a meager penance in royalties. Everyone is afraid of water contamination.
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Gary_C

Quote from: WDH on June 20, 2011, 07:20:58 AM
It doesn't seem like that they can do this to you legally if you bought the timber.  Will this shut you down, too?

Yes, it will put me out of work as all I have right now is state timber sales to cut. It sounds like the state is planning to shut down road construction jobs too.

I can't believe they will actually do this, but the governor is dead set on spending more money than projected revenues and is demanding a tax increase only on the rich. So he is saying to the people, don't worry, someone else is going to pay for my spending desires, not you.   ::)
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WDH

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chucker

Quote from: WDH on June 23, 2011, 04:36:29 PM
Unbelievable  :).  it sure is, it's about time the upper class do their part in helping to pay the way to a better future for the middle and lower class hard workers that pay more then their fair share!! shut the damned state down till it hurts them!! god knows we already feel it .....
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gunman63

there not suspending the open sales, or not allowing u to work,  u just cant buy any new sales since  they wont be in the office,  they are telling u to plan ahead

Gary_C

Quote from: gunman63 on June 23, 2011, 05:36:24 PM
there not suspending the open sales, or not allowing u to work,  u just cant buy any new sales since  they wont be in the office,  they are telling u to plan ahead

Not in any way true. You will not even be able to use the state forest roads from what we are being told now. As of tomorrow, you will not be able to open any new sales and if the shutdown happens, all logging will stop.

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gunman63

Your  getting  diferent info than up  north here , the  state forest roads remain  open, just as state highways remain open, the reason for  not opening the state sales after  that  date is the paper work  wont  get  done, so do it before hand, get your  walk thru and meetings done. not all logging will stop and  the  sky wont fall, the sun will still come up in the morning, and set at nite, the end of the world isnt coming. just in any business or life , need to plan ahead. :)

Gary_C

Yesterday I got my marching orders for the shutdown. My sale has an approved landing so I will be able to haul any products from that landing only for two weeks and then that ends. Absolutely no cutting or forwarding from woods trails. Essentially what I heard before that all logging will stop at midnight tonight. The only thing different is the state forest roads will remain open.

There is going to be a lot of pain over this one. Most loggers do not have private timber sales to move to during this shutdown. And all road construction projects will be suspended too. My forester claims the state has the absolute right to do this as he claims we do not have contracts, they are just permits that they can alter at will.  Problem is it would probably cost over $100k in legal fees just to challenge their assertions. Lucky for me that I did have one private sale to move to and am working on getting that contract signed now. But it requires a move of some 100+ miles.

I did not think it would come to this. The two sides are still talking today, but they agree there is not enough time left to make an agreement, gather the legislature and get it passed and signed by midnight. And if they do go thru with the shutdown, it will not be lifted for three working days after the new budget is passed. At 4 PM today, they are evicting campers from the state park campgrounds.

Minnesota's governor, Mark Dayton was our US Senator where he was declared "worst senator" by Time Magazine I think. So now the guy is going to be declared our worst governor for vetoing a balanced budget. He is holding out for more taxes (only on the rich) and spending.  ::)
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beenthere

You'se Minnesotans seem to have a knack for voting in the wierd ones, but maybe this impasse will be a blessing in disguise. Hold this Gov's feet to the fire and put all the blame on him.

I hope the state is open come Saturday, as I've plans to head to MN then. I wonder if the drawbridge at Prescott will be down, or should I sneak across at LaCrosse?

I'm thinking you won't have to move, as the State of MN will not be closed down. Just my opinion. ;)

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clww

These government shutdown fiascos are here to stay, I'm afraid. Remember the US Congress and the almost-shutdown Federal government several months ago? It was all "saved" in the 11th hour by a temp fix. Well, in August, it's going to happen all over again. More wasted time and wasted money, which we don't have anyway. The legislatures only have their own best interests in mind IMO.
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chucker

  sorry for your plight, but its time those of means should feel the heat the rest of us have for the past 8 years of "TPAW" ....  perhaps the reps. will see the light of day and give mark dayton the dem. a chance to set the record straight again... ?? WHERES JESSY ??
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Gary_C

Quote from: beenthere on June 30, 2011, 02:31:38 PM
I hope the state is open come Saturday, as I've plans to head to MN then. I wonder if the drawbridge at Prescott will be down, or should I sneak across at LaCrosse?


It's my understanding the lift bridge at Stillwatter will be left open as river traffic has priority. Haven't heard about Prescott though. You better go another way. There's Winona, Wabasha, and Redwing too. And it's a nice drive on Hwy 61 along the river.


Quote from: chucker on June 30, 2011, 02:35:44 PM
  sorry for your plight, but its time those of means should feel the heat the rest of us have for the past 8 years of "TPAW" ....  perhaps the reps. will see the light of day and give mark dayton the dem. a chance to set the record straight again... ?? WHERES JESSY ??

Thanks for the sympathy, but I don't understand the rest of what you said. It's my understanding that even our not so beloved governor has stashed all of the family fortune from the Dayton and Target stores in the Dakota's where they have no state income tax. And the rest of the rich will just do the same if he raises their taxes. So even if the legislature did agree, the state would not realize much from only the stupid rich that did not evade the tax increase. So the end result would be just more state deficit spending that we don't need. So don't ever believe Dayton's promise that someone else will pay for his spending promises and you will be relieved of some of your obligations.  ::)
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Gary_C

Well, it has begun. About 10 PM at the governor's office there was what was described as a "surreal" scene as Governor Dayton held a press conference and the leaders of the legislature started hissing and booing because they did not like what he was saying. They offered the governor a "lights on" bill but he refused.

And there was also late news that the large loggers in northern MN filed suit in a district court to block the ban on logging as they have already payed for their contracts to log and this shutdown amounts to a breech of those contracts. Some of those loggers say they may lose their business. And it was reported the state will lose some $900,000 per week in stumpage payments.

Moral of the story, never let a guy that has never had to struggle for his own survival control your income or spend your money.  :(
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SwampDonkey

That's interesting news. Here in NB, if a license holder goes broke, the volume of wood allocated on that license still gets cut. Everything is cut by harvest contractors to begin with. DNR takes on the license's role of administering contracts and management. Even if a license closes it's mill down, the allocation is harvested even if it's all export wood or sold to another mill. But the Minister of Nat Resources has the final say in the way things proceed. We had a parcel of land on one license that got amalgamated to another mill license. A company had built a bunch of forest roads as they are a sublicense that harvests in that license area. The company lost to rights to harvest the wood because of the change in the license area. DNR had to come good for all the road building costs. What should have happened, and maybe it eventually did, was that the forest company that acquired the new parcel in their license should have paid the bill.
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clww

Try to have a good birthday today anyway, Gary!
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DouginUtah

Gary, just curious, what does DFL stand for? (I just read the StarTribune article, linked by the Drudge Report.)


And Happy Birthday. :)
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Gary_C

DFL is an old Minnesota designation for the Democratic Party. Democrat-Farmer-Labor is what I think it stands for. On the other side is the IR party which is Independent Republicans. I have no idea of why.  ;D

Thanks for the birthday wishes. You are only as old as you feel so I must be 39 still. Or on some days 79.  :D
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shelbycharger400

the Socialist party. ! thats what they really stand for.

Norm

Happy Birthday Gary!

I know your a farmer so does that make you a democrat.  :D

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