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Offline Rocky_J

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Re: Finally, its time
« Reply #20 on: October 26, 2010, 10:52:17 pm »
I have no idea why .058" gauge chain even exists any more. Only certain regions use it, I've never seen a saw with .058 gauge chain in my life. I buy 3/8", .050 gauge by the roll and spin my own loops for all my Stihl and Husky saws. Nobody around here even carries .058, if you want that size you have to order it.

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Re: Finally, its time
« Reply #21 on: October 26, 2010, 11:58:46 pm »
Just about all of the Husky & Jonsered users around here run .058. I never have understood why this varies from one part of the USA to another.
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Re: Finally, its time
« Reply #22 on: October 27, 2010, 09:41:27 am »
All I've ever run on my Husqvarna and Jonsered saws has been .058.  I think it's interesting, I never thought of it as a regional chain before.
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Re: Finally, its time
« Reply #23 on: October 27, 2010, 10:44:55 am »
Oregon .050 chain in 3/8" for example is .058 between the cutters and side links.
Stihl .050 -3/8" chain is .063 between the cutters thus making a wider cut.
   With the Oregon .058 chain the drive links are even , a little stronger and you have a wider drive link tang to scoop more chips and bar oil over the .050. You may think .008" is nothing but it does work better.
Stihl makes .058 chain for the Husky / 'sered crowd also.
Regional thing? I think the 'sered / Husky market is bigger in the east- central North America where there are more endusers. Of course for competiton purposes you gotta seperate the apples from the oranges with Stihl .050 and Husky .058.

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Re: Finally, its time
« Reply #24 on: October 27, 2010, 11:23:45 am »
The 372's I saw were not wrap handles.  I tried out the 372 and it felt like a toy compared to my old stihl, lots of power compared to the 036, but I wouldn't say equal to the old stihl.  Definately turns up but slows down in the cut, which the old stihl didn't do.  I didn't really notice a difference in weight between the 372 and 576 but the 576 seams to have more torque.  Both were smooth as ice, I guess the engineers of the old stihl didn't worry about vibration.  I did feel that I could fell with the huskies, which I never did with the old stihl.  Now I gotta try the 385, I guess I am used to a big tough saw and I'm thinking I can handle the 385 easily for what I do.  I guess I never new how brutal that old stihl was to run.  Wondering if the 385 feels like it has a lot of torque like the 576 or feels more like the 372.  In the past I always felt like the huskies turned up faster than stihl but stihl had more torque, I guess I am finding that still true.  I did like the 576 real well. 
I've got a 372 and have done some milling with it.  12" cuts in white pine are fine, but 12" cuts in hardwood (maple, oak)are a chore with it.  I love the saw for firewood and felling but milling isn't its forte.  I've never used a 385 but it might be the saw that can be used for firewood all day and do pretty well milling, but the 372 (20" bar)is about as heavy a saw that I want to use for turning a tree into firewood.

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Re: Finally, its time
« Reply #25 on: October 27, 2010, 11:42:39 am »
All I've ever run on my Husqvarna and Jonsered saws has been .058.  I think it's interesting, I never thought of it as a regional chain before.

.058 for Husky and Jonsered seems to be pretty popular throughout New England and New York. If I go in to a dealer for either and ask for a new bar and chain, that's what they'll give me, unless I specifically ask for something else.

I haven't done much cutting elsewhere, so can't comment... other than what I've heard here on FF.

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Re: Finally, its time
« Reply #26 on: October 30, 2010, 12:38:21 am »
When I took the training for Fallers Cert. a few years back, the saw requirements were that the saw (MS660 or 395XP in today's models) had to run a 36" bar, Stihl with 3/8 .063 and Husky with 3/8 .058.  I borrowed my dads 066 which had 3/8 .050 32", and I bought a bigger bar and chain for it.  Why these sizes were required, I'm not sure.  But the examiners made sure it was right, or you'd have to replace it.  My own Stihls I use .050 3/8, my 385xp has .058, and my 3120 has .404 .063.  My point being that lots of different gauge and pitch is very common.
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Re: Finally, its time
« Reply #27 on: October 30, 2010, 06:26:09 am »
Oregon .050 chain in 3/8" for example is .058 between the cutters and side links.
Stihl .050 -3/8" chain is .063 between the cutters thus making a wider cut.
   With the Oregon .058 chain the drive links are even , a little stronger and you have a wider drive link tang to scoop more chips and bar oil over the .050. You may think .008" is nothing but it does work better.
Stihl makes .058 chain for the Husky / 'sered crowd also.
Regional thing? I think the 'sered / Husky market is bigger in the east- central North America where there are more endusers. Of course for competiton purposes you gotta seperate the apples from the oranges with Stihl .050 and Husky .058.

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Re: Finally, its time
« Reply #28 on: October 30, 2010, 06:33:18 am »
Well heres my .02.  I bought a 372xp brand new off shelf because the guys at the saw shop said it would cut circles around the stihl 460.  This is totally untrue.  With same chain the stihl waxed the husky.  I even swapped the chains on the two saws, same result.  I think husky saws are cheaply made, hard to start, and just overall not equal to stihl saws.  They are cheaper to buy though.  I was not happy with the purchase and traded it in the same day I bought it for another 460. 

When I returned to saw shop to trade, the husky rep was there.  I told him what happened and why I was not pleased with his product.  He said the husky saws need 5 gallons of mix run through them to operate properly??? I dont have to do that with stihl.  I would run a hack saw before I would buy another husky.  Good Luck.


 The saw shop guy was full of it, a 372 isn't going to cut circles around a 460. The Husky rep is right, when I got my 385xp it was a dog but really woke up after being used quite a bit.   Steve
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Re: Finally, its time
« Reply #29 on: October 30, 2010, 09:44:44 am »
A lot of Husky saws  came with .58.   They should all just switch to .50    Steve

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Re: Finally, its time
« Reply #30 on: October 30, 2010, 10:30:51 am »
 Well I started out running Partner chainsaws and then moved to Husqvarna over 20 yrs. ago. Many saws later I have to report I have been completely satisfied, only had one problem with one saw over all those years and that was the last 359 I bought which needed carb replaced. Heck, for my big saw I run a 288 xp remember those? Thing has to be 20 yrs old I bought it brand new. Starts, runs, cuts perfectly I've never run across anything it wouldn't cut and I regularly use it to rip oversize logs to get on my woodmizer. Interesting that I find the 372 to be the least useful size I have only owned one. It's kind of a midsized saw I guess when I have an assortment to use I mostly grab small or big just don't need the midsized saw. I am either felling/bucking or limbing, and for bucking firewood use I sure wouldn't need a saw that large :o I just don't need the exercise of carrying around a big saw if a small saw will do the job.

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Re: Finally, its time
« Reply #31 on: October 30, 2010, 11:25:37 am »
Many saws later I have to report I have been completely satisfied, only had one problem with one saw over all those years and that was the last 359 I bought which needed carb replaced.

Just so you know it wasnt just you. The 357 359 had carb issues and even has a new replacement carb out.

There was also a recall on the plastic intake clamps 346-359 that would deform and creat a air leak.

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Re: Finally, its time
« Reply #32 on: October 30, 2010, 11:57:46 am »
Cut4Fun -

Any idea of the date range or serial number range of the 357s which had the problem carb? I've got a 357 that acts a bit strange at times. Sometimes idles fast ("blipping" the throttle will sometimes bring it back down). Occasionally it seems off a bit on the high end as well. I leave it set a bit to the rich side as a bit of "insurance". The local shop did not find any air leaks (a good guy, but the saw wasn't acting up when I brought it in). I did get the black plastic clamp replaced with the new part.

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Re: Finally, its time
« Reply #33 on: October 30, 2010, 01:18:53 pm »
A lot of Husky saws  came with .58.   They should all just switch to .50    Steve

Why?

 There's no need for .50 .58 and .63. . It sure would make thing easyier if all bars and chains were .50.       Steve
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Re: Finally, its time
« Reply #34 on: October 30, 2010, 01:21:59 pm »
Cut4Fun -

Any idea of the date range or serial number range of the 357s which had the problem carb? I've got a 357 that acts a bit strange at times.

No date time line that I know of. Just that it was Walbro carbs, some had problems and 199's were the worst ones. The carb replacements are  Zama C3 EL42

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Re: Finally, its time
« Reply #35 on: October 30, 2010, 01:27:08 pm »
Some info I dug up on jonsered, so it should crossover.

SB, CS2156, CS2159, Introduction of new carburettor
for better idling stability, 2008-10
To achieve better idling quality, a new carburettor has been introduced in the production. The new name
of the carburettor is Zama C3-EL42. This carburettor replaces Walbro HDA199A/B and HDA 191A. At the
same time the fl ange and carburettor are replaced.
New part no. Description Excl. part no. Remark
505 20 30-01 Carburettor C3-EL42 505 46 61-01 HDA 199B
505 20 30-01 Carburettor C3-EL42 503 28 18-18 HDA 199A
505 20 30-01 Carburettor C3-EL42 503 28 18-20 HDA 191A
503 92 85-02 Flange 503 92 85-01
Introduced from serial number: CS2156 083800001
CS2159 084500001


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Re: Finally, its time
« Reply #36 on: October 30, 2010, 07:10:58 pm »
If I remember how to use my secret serial number decoder ring, those are 2008 serial numbers. My Husky 357 is older than that, so that's probably the source of some of my problems.
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Re: Finally, its time
« Reply #37 on: November 01, 2010, 09:31:08 am »
If I remember how to use my secret serial number decoder ring, those are 2008 serial numbers. My Husky 357 is older than that, so that's probably the source of some of my problems.

Those were great little saws for the $250 or so they were selling for. I've had 3 and there all still going, gave one to my brother for a firewood saw and even his teenage son hasn't been able to kill it yet :D

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Re: Finally, its time
« Reply #38 on: November 01, 2010, 02:46:07 pm »
If I remember how to use my secret serial number decoder ring, those are 2008 serial numbers. My Husky 357 is older than that, so that's probably the source of some of my problems.

Those were great little saws for the $250 or so they were selling for. I've had 3 and there all still going, gave one to my brother for a firewood saw and even his teenage son hasn't been able to kill it yet :D

When the heck was the husky 357 selling for $250  :o :o :o. Cheapest I seen for a new 357 was $499 PHO back when  8).

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Re: Finally, its time
« Reply #39 on: November 08, 2010, 06:30:00 am »
IMHO  the extra weight and few extra dollars of a 385 is well worth it.  Ive 72s and 85s  and have found the 85 to be much more durable in the long run.  I am probably harder on a chainsaw than most guys and have found that the 85 will take the abuse longer than the 72.   72 motors seem to run forever though.  Its the rest of the saw that falls apart.