The Forestry Forum is sponsored in part by:




TimberKing Sawmills




Toll Free 1-800-582-0470

LogRite Tools



Forest Products Industry Insurance


Norwood Industries Inc.


Sawmill & Woodlot Magazine



Your source for Portable Sawmills, Edgers, Resaws, Sharpeners, Setters, Bandsaw Blades and Sawmill Parts

EZ Boardwalk Sawmills. More Saw For Less Money!

STIHLDealers.com sponsored by Northeast STIHL


Woodland Sawmills

Peterson Swingmills

 KASCO SharpTech WoodMaxx Blades


Turbosawmill

Sawmill Exchange

BRUTE FORCE Authorized Dealer

Woodshax Outdoor Vending Solutions

FARMA


Council Tool

Baker Products

Forestry Forum Tool Box

Author Topic: are free logs ever free.  (Read 7754 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline weisyboy

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 802
  • Location: Australia
  • Gender: Male
  • sawmiller & logger
    • Weiss Sawmilling and Property Maintenance
are free logs ever free.
« on: September 15, 2010, 06:04:00 am »
got a 15 ton load of logs the other day.

cutting some 4x3 posts last week. hit 15 nails in 1 log. still got 30 posts out it. but still not good.

got 10 15 ton loads off another bloke. he rang up today wants 4 - 12 x 12 , 12' posts for free.

they retail for over $ 900 each.

i dont have many logs big enough either.

nothing is ever free.


Offline ladylake

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 4617
  • Age: 65
  • Location: grey eagle mn
  • Gender: Male
  • I need to edit my profile!
Re: are free logs ever free.
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2010, 06:12:03 am »
 If someone gave me 10   15 ton loads of logs I sure wouldn't complain about sawing out 4  12x12x12'   post, a whole hour or 2 depending on how much side lumber you get.   Steve
Timberking B20 12000 hours +  Case75xt grapple + forks+8" snow bucket + dirt bucket   770 Oliver   Lots(too many) of chainsaws, Like the Echo saws and the Stihl and Husky     W5  Case loader   1  trailers  Wright sharpener     Dino setter Volvo MCT125c skid loader

Offline weisyboy

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 802
  • Location: Australia
  • Gender: Male
  • sawmiller & logger
    • Weiss Sawmilling and Property Maintenance
Re: are free logs ever free.
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2010, 06:31:15 am »
it will take us half a day as my mill will only cut 8" so we have to keep rolling the log.

i had to pay for the truck to pick up the logs.

its not to bad but its pushing it when he didn't mention it when he gave me the logs.

if he had of said he wanted them in exchange from the start i would be fine with it. but when someone gives you logs then comes back 4 months latter saying he wants $3600 worth of timber is a bit game.

i pay good money for my logs and and always pay what i have offered or agreed.

another bloke rang me last week that i bought a load of old logs off last year. he recons i only gave him $150. when i gave him $500 witch was more than the logs were worth. i didn't get a receipt or anything witch i probably should have but my handshake and word is better than a bit of paper, seams some peoples is about as solid as a hollow log.

Offline ladylake

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 4617
  • Age: 65
  • Location: grey eagle mn
  • Gender: Male
  • I need to edit my profile!
Re: are free logs ever free.
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2010, 07:19:32 am »
  That's still a lot of logs just for the trucking, 4 months is a little long to want some in return, the logs could be long gone by then.  Sound like you might want a bandsaw sometimes and I think a swingmill would go good around here sometimes.   Steve
Timberking B20 12000 hours +  Case75xt grapple + forks+8" snow bucket + dirt bucket   770 Oliver   Lots(too many) of chainsaws, Like the Echo saws and the Stihl and Husky     W5  Case loader   1  trailers  Wright sharpener     Dino setter Volvo MCT125c skid loader

Offline paul case

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 4549
  • Age: 43
  • Location: extreeme northeast Oklahoma
  • Gender: Male
  • Original wearer of the PCM.
Re: are free logs ever free.
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2010, 08:37:38 am »
weisy,
i know where you are at.
i learned some time ago to say no. free means free. if someone gives you something it should be free. if they want to deal then lets deal before hand.
i baled hay for serveral people that would be suprised how much their fields made and meet me at the gate to ask hey would you do that on the shares and i would say ''no''. i like to stick with the original plan.
 it stinks that some folks cant finish something the way they start it. i cant stand a liar or a theif. i am not sure which one you are dealing with. pc
life is too short to be too serious. (some idiot)
2013 LT40SHE25 and Riehl edger,  WM 94 LT40 hd E15. Cut my sawing ''teeth'' on an EZ Boardwalk
sawing oak.hickory,ERC,walnut and almost anything else that shows up.
Don't get phylosophical with me. you will loose me for sure.
pc

Offline Meadows Miller

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 3279
  • Age: 36
  • Location: Find a Job You Love & You Will Never Work Another Day In Your Life
  • Gender: Male
  • The Walkabout Sawyer
Re: are free logs ever free.
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2010, 08:59:08 am »
Gday

Carl I know exactly where your coming from Mate !! I just avoid dealing with people like that these days Mate   Lol i would have no dramas cutting those in exchange it was part of the agreement from the start and if it was out of his logs withing a month of having them given to me but 4 months is stretching it as it would usually have to come out of something else Mate ;)

Steve Ive got nearly 300 ton an even mix of Pine and Hardwood now stacked up around the joint now all over 60 mi from home and more to come all free and loaded trucks ill be supplying but there is usually only a 20 to 30% saving on buying then when you take it all into account Mate ;) Like i say Logistics Logistics Logistics lol the issue down here atm is its too wet to get the semis down into the gullys on the two sites the last few hundred yards of acess track is like a goat track  without the chance of getting my Mates $350000 Mack bogged to the butt so all my cartage is on hold for awhile  :(

Regards Chris

4TH Generation Timbergetter

Offline bugdust

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 400
  • Age: 66
  • Location: West Virginia
  • Gender: Male
Re: are free logs ever free.
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2010, 09:18:35 am »
A lady called last week offering me several cedars that lined her driveway and all I had to do was cut the trees and haul the logs. She was actually concerned that they would go the the pile for burning if someone didn't take them. After telling her I would have to decline because of my concerns about nails, etc. she fully understood. It's not often that someone calls because they don't want to see lumber wasted. Free, yes, but in the long run they might have me costs plenty.

Had one customer a few years back that brought me a large cedar wanting lumber to make turkey calls. I advised him that since the cedar came for someone's front yard I was concerned about nails. He assured me that was not the case, but agreed that if I damaged a blade it costs him $25. Long story short, and 3 blades later the log went to the slab pile.
Since I retired I really like work: It fascinates me. I can sit and look at it for hours.

Offline paul case

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 4549
  • Age: 43
  • Location: extreeme northeast Oklahoma
  • Gender: Male
  • Original wearer of the PCM.
Re: are free logs ever free.
« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2010, 01:20:10 pm »
to the original question----yes they are free if i am trying to sell them.  :D pc
life is too short to be too serious. (some idiot)
2013 LT40SHE25 and Riehl edger,  WM 94 LT40 hd E15. Cut my sawing ''teeth'' on an EZ Boardwalk
sawing oak.hickory,ERC,walnut and almost anything else that shows up.
Don't get phylosophical with me. you will loose me for sure.
pc

Offline Kedwards

  • Full Member x2
  • ***
  • Posts: 241
  • Age: 51
  • Gender: Male
  • All wood is good wood , Iron Station NC
    • Edwards Custom Milling and Lum
Re: are free logs ever free.
« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2010, 10:04:06 pm »
Ask him to bring you a load with logs big enough to do those .. for free ..and cut out of that load.

Tell him that load is gone. 4 months is forever.
His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking alliances like socks in a dryer without cling free

Offline Okrafarmer

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 6417
  • Age: 39
  • Location: upcountry SC-- Sweetgum capital of the world!
  • Gender: Male
  • Avast! Here appeareth some sweetgummery about....
Re: are free logs ever free.
« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2010, 11:45:49 pm »
We'll be cutting a lot of yard trees. We plan on using a metal detector. We harvest them ourselves and get paid to do it-- that's the best way! Usually we get paid anywhere from $400-2,000 a tree to haul them away. That's why we got the sawmill, so we can double-dip even better!  ;)
No matter how conventional wisdom may fly in the face of radical thought, it's still the most popular type.

Turbosawmill 8" cut GX390 Warrior Sawmill, 13hp Honda
MS290 Stihl

Genesis Hardwood Lumber

Offline weisyboy

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 802
  • Location: Australia
  • Gender: Male
  • sawmiller & logger
    • Weiss Sawmilling and Property Maintenance
Re: are free logs ever free.
« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2010, 05:26:59 am »
a mate has a radio shack metal detector it works great will pick up a nail 12" into a log.

Offline Okrafarmer

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 6417
  • Age: 39
  • Location: upcountry SC-- Sweetgum capital of the world!
  • Gender: Male
  • Avast! Here appeareth some sweetgummery about....
Re: are free logs ever free.
« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2010, 09:59:03 am »
a mate has a radio shack metal detector it works great will pick up a nail 12" into a log.

Seems like maybe you ought to use one, Weisy, when you cut "free" logs! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
No matter how conventional wisdom may fly in the face of radical thought, it's still the most popular type.

Turbosawmill 8" cut GX390 Warrior Sawmill, 13hp Honda
MS290 Stihl

Genesis Hardwood Lumber

Offline paul case

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 4549
  • Age: 43
  • Location: extreeme northeast Oklahoma
  • Gender: Male
  • Original wearer of the PCM.
Re: are free logs ever free.
« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2010, 02:05:23 pm »
weisy,
i get where you are at. i was cutting some cedars i took in on trade the other day and hit a nail. i had just put on a sharp blade and only made 1 cut .
i was thinking we should try to define free?

free - didnt cost anything
free-  no hardware
free-- no taxes....oops i bet thats a sore spot.
free-  on the shares
free-  only you have to go get it.
free-  costs more in repairs than it pays
free-  must not be worth anything.
free-  an offer you should but just cant refuse.


                                       pc
life is too short to be too serious. (some idiot)
2013 LT40SHE25 and Riehl edger,  WM 94 LT40 hd E15. Cut my sawing ''teeth'' on an EZ Boardwalk
sawing oak.hickory,ERC,walnut and almost anything else that shows up.
Don't get phylosophical with me. you will loose me for sure.
pc

Offline Lud

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 1329
  • Age: 65
  • Location: Fairmeadows Farm, Medina Co., OH
  • Gender: Male
  • Impetuous.... Homeric....
Re: are free logs ever free.
« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2010, 05:20:22 pm »
free-  an offer you should but just cant refuse.


That is just too good..........
Simplicity mill, Ford 1957 Golden Jubilee 841 Powermaster, 40x60 bankbarn, left-handed

Offline paul case

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 4549
  • Age: 43
  • Location: extreeme northeast Oklahoma
  • Gender: Male
  • Original wearer of the PCM.
Re: are free logs ever free.
« Reply #14 on: September 18, 2010, 08:11:50 pm »
i had another this afternoon
free-  no extra charge for the cavity in the center that is full of big black ants.

pc
life is too short to be too serious. (some idiot)
2013 LT40SHE25 and Riehl edger,  WM 94 LT40 hd E15. Cut my sawing ''teeth'' on an EZ Boardwalk
sawing oak.hickory,ERC,walnut and almost anything else that shows up.
Don't get phylosophical with me. you will loose me for sure.
pc

Offline Frickman

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 1579
  • Location: Southwestern PA
  • Gender: Male
  • Ouch, that hurt!
Re: are free logs ever free.
« Reply #15 on: September 18, 2010, 10:01:01 pm »
I frequently get offers of "free logs". Just come pick them up. I have a self loading truck so transportation is usually not an issue, but gas, tires, wear and tear, and especially my time are. I cannot drive twenty miles each way for two free pine logs. I cut wood for a living, not as a hobby, so everything I do has to make a profit. It might sound harsh, but sometimes I advise a landowner that pushing the logs over the hillside and lighting them on fire might be the best thing to do with them. I can't spend one hundred dollars to salvage a four dollar log. It's that simple.
If you're not broke down once in a while, you're not working hard enough

I'm not a hillbilly. I'm an "Appalachian American"

Retired  Conventional hand-felling logging operation with cable skidder and forwarder, Frick 01 handset sawmill

Pretend farmer when I have the time

Offline backwoods sawyer

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 2203
  • Age: 54
  • Location: Camas Valley Or
  • Gender: Male
  • LT70-Cooks AC-36 edger-boom truck-oliver crawler
    • Backwoods Custom Milling Inc.
Re: are free logs ever free.
« Reply #16 on: September 18, 2010, 11:56:13 pm »

A “free log” is log that makes a sawable grade of log that is delivered to the mill at no cost to the mill with no expectation of the previous owner to get anything back out of it.
A “free log” is “not” still standing in the back yard along with twenty power lines, no access, and a diameter of 4” for 2’. Nor is it a hollow Maple tree that rotted off and fell across a river that is only a couple hundred yards from where the truck can be gotten to that a bowl turner is unable to find a useable piece in.
Backwoods Custom Milling Inc.
100% portable. . Oregons largest portable sawmill service, serving all of Oregon, from our Backwoods to yours..sawing since 1991

Offline DR_Buck

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 2581
  • Age: 65
  • Location: Northern VA
  • Gender: Male
  • Nuff said.....
    • Got Logs?
Re: are free logs ever free.
« Reply #17 on: September 19, 2010, 08:53:06 am »
There has been a number of post in the past about free logs.   Here are a couple threads I started.  The first in 2004 and the other in 2007.

Free Logs

Free Logs....Again

There was a time when I would go get every free log offered.  I've since become a little lot more selective in which free logs I go and get.  I still go get  a lot of them but now if it's more than 30 miles or so and not a species I can turn quickly for a buck, I thank them for calling but decline the offer.   I've gone up wards of 60 miles (one-way) to get a huge cherry tree that netted over $2000 off of the lumber.   My most recent 'free' log acquisition was two trailer loads of maple and beech.   I had to make two trips  ~45 miles each way to get them.    They're next on my milling agenda.   Then I need to find a buyer.  :)

I've gotten to the point where I almost never go for a single tree unless it's real close.  Especially if it's a run-of-the-mill red oak or poplar.  Just to much time involved in going after them for the return.

One of what I consider the smartest thing I've done to help collect free logs in a time economical fashion is invest in log handling equipment.    It started with the JMS trailer from Baileys with a knuckle-boom loader.   Then over the past few years I've added a 12,000 lb hydraulic winch with 100' cable, Logrite ATV arch, Logrite Junior arch,  skid-steer with grapple loader, and most recently (from Logrite/Carl Neutzel) a portable skidding winch and 300' feet of skidding rope.

Finally, I never cut down a tree for someone to get a free log.  :o
Hidden Acres Farm
I got a shotgun, a shovel backhoe and 57 acres!

Wood-Mizer LT40HDG25

Offline weisyboy

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 802
  • Location: Australia
  • Gender: Male
  • sawmiller & logger
    • Weiss Sawmilling and Property Maintenance
Re: are free logs ever free.
« Reply #18 on: September 19, 2010, 09:46:39 am »
i will fell trees for free logs.

noramly only on acreage.

i did one huge silky oak tree. we got 3m3 of timber $8000 worth from the tree and it cost me $300 for a lopper to get it down and half a day to cut.

sometimes logs are good value but rarely free.

i see no need for a metal detector. if i used one i wouldnt cut half the logs i do.

when someone wants a log cut normaly it dosnt matter if tehre is a nail or not.

Offline Okrafarmer

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 6417
  • Age: 39
  • Location: upcountry SC-- Sweetgum capital of the world!
  • Gender: Male
  • Avast! Here appeareth some sweetgummery about....
Re: are free logs ever free.
« Reply #19 on: September 19, 2010, 01:23:47 pm »
i see no need for a metal detector. if i used one i wouldnt cut half the logs i do.

when someone wants a log cut normaly it dosnt matter if tehre is a nail or not.

I like your 'tude, Weisy! Must be easier on your mill than on a band mill.
No matter how conventional wisdom may fly in the face of radical thought, it's still the most popular type.

Turbosawmill 8" cut GX390 Warrior Sawmill, 13hp Honda
MS290 Stihl

Genesis Hardwood Lumber

Offline DR_Buck

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 2581
  • Age: 65
  • Location: Northern VA
  • Gender: Male
  • Nuff said.....
    • Got Logs?
Re: are free logs ever free.
« Reply #20 on: September 19, 2010, 02:54:44 pm »
i see no need for a metal detector. if i used one i wouldnt cut half the logs i do.

when someone wants a log cut normaly it dosnt matter if tehre is a nail or not.

I like your 'tude, Weisy! Must be easier on your mill than on a band mill.

I agree with this as well.  Although, it's a pain the customer pays for the price of a new band when I hit metal.   Don't matter if it's a new or old band.  Metal, rock, insulator or anything non-wood forcing a band change (other than dullness from use) is a flat non-negotiable $35 charge.
Hidden Acres Farm
I got a shotgun, a shovel backhoe and 57 acres!

Wood-Mizer LT40HDG25

Offline Okrafarmer

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 6417
  • Age: 39
  • Location: upcountry SC-- Sweetgum capital of the world!
  • Gender: Male
  • Avast! Here appeareth some sweetgummery about....
Re: are free logs ever free.
« Reply #21 on: September 19, 2010, 04:21:13 pm »
It's just that a lot of the logs we cut won't be on a commission basis-- they'll be logs we were paid to take down in other peoples' yards-- so-- I think we'll be wanting the MD quite a bit. No log is safe from nails, especially in the urban forest.
No matter how conventional wisdom may fly in the face of radical thought, it's still the most popular type.

Turbosawmill 8" cut GX390 Warrior Sawmill, 13hp Honda
MS290 Stihl

Genesis Hardwood Lumber

Offline weisyboy

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 802
  • Location: Australia
  • Gender: Male
  • sawmiller & logger
    • Weiss Sawmilling and Property Maintenance
Re: are free logs ever free.
« Reply #22 on: September 20, 2010, 04:16:24 pm »
i have cut threw up to 34 nails before a dlabe change is needed. but normaly 2 or 3 pull us up.

my blades cost $55 to get retiped. but i can do them my self if i need one in a hurry.

Offline Okrafarmer

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 6417
  • Age: 39
  • Location: upcountry SC-- Sweetgum capital of the world!
  • Gender: Male
  • Avast! Here appeareth some sweetgummery about....
Re: are free logs ever free.
« Reply #23 on: September 20, 2010, 08:03:40 pm »
Sounds like a reasonable price, Weisy. I don't know about now, but it seems that your Oz buck$ don't go as far as ours, generally speaking. . . . . .
No matter how conventional wisdom may fly in the face of radical thought, it's still the most popular type.

Turbosawmill 8" cut GX390 Warrior Sawmill, 13hp Honda
MS290 Stihl

Genesis Hardwood Lumber

Offline paul case

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 4549
  • Age: 43
  • Location: extreeme northeast Oklahoma
  • Gender: Male
  • Original wearer of the PCM.
Re: are free logs ever free.
« Reply #24 on: September 20, 2010, 09:46:07 pm »
got 1 today. i was going to cut some of my own until i got the call from a friend. he says  want a log?
i says how big?
he says maybe 20''
yes when do i need to get it
 we have the lull loader there now
i will be there in 30 minutes
ok

i went. i had to cut the tree down but they had already cut all the limbs and top off.
i got 1 - 10' log 27'' sed,  1 - 16'  18'' sed. post oak and only 4 miles from the mill. right down my alley. pc
life is too short to be too serious. (some idiot)
2013 LT40SHE25 and Riehl edger,  WM 94 LT40 hd E15. Cut my sawing ''teeth'' on an EZ Boardwalk
sawing oak.hickory,ERC,walnut and almost anything else that shows up.
Don't get phylosophical with me. you will loose me for sure.
pc

Offline Okrafarmer

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 6417
  • Age: 39
  • Location: upcountry SC-- Sweetgum capital of the world!
  • Gender: Male
  • Avast! Here appeareth some sweetgummery about....
Re: are free logs ever free.
« Reply #25 on: September 21, 2010, 12:04:14 am »
I know it has to be good sometimes.
No matter how conventional wisdom may fly in the face of radical thought, it's still the most popular type.

Turbosawmill 8" cut GX390 Warrior Sawmill, 13hp Honda
MS290 Stihl

Genesis Hardwood Lumber

Offline weisyboy

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 802
  • Location: Australia
  • Gender: Male
  • sawmiller & logger
    • Weiss Sawmilling and Property Maintenance
Re: are free logs ever free.
« Reply #26 on: September 21, 2010, 05:04:07 am »
yes aus $ dont get you near as mutch as you guys get.

if i could get a fully hydrolic machine for what you guys can id have 3.

you even mention hydrolic in aus and the price quadtriples.

i got 2 hoses last week for the bobcat, $400. tehy were only 2'long.

i buy from the us when i can.

Offline terrifictimbersllc

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 3731
  • Age: 63
  • Location: Mystic, CT
  • Gender: Male
    • Terrific Timbers LLC
Re: are free logs ever free.
« Reply #27 on: September 21, 2010, 06:54:27 am »
Someone who "heard I do things with wood" asked if I'd be interested in some cedar trees.  Went and looked at them about 12-15 trees very tall in a row next to garage from 10-16 inch d.b.h.  Not ERC from comparing needles with ERC in my back yard so guessing they're white cedar.  Figure I could agree to take the wood if someone else takes them down and I can saw logs there.  I could cut it into 1" and sell some of it, use some myself and put the rest on my firewood pile.  I really don't want to cut down the trees or deal with the branches or offer to pay anything.  I could offer to help out whoever takes them down by sawing out the logs and moving them aside.  But the whole deal seems messy especially considering bringing a sawmill to her driveway making noise and taking away nice boards etc etc.  I know each of these situations is different but it would be great to have a standard way to give something to the homeowner. But honestly one doesn't know until the whole thing goes down whether you ought to pay them or they ought to pay you. Thinking of saying "If I can help you by getting rid of most of the wood, and you'll let me saw it there, I'll take it."  Ideas?
DJ Hoover, Terrific Timbers LLC,  Mystic CT   2001 WM LT40SHDD (42HP Kubota, Accuset2, FAO's, Lubemizer, debarker, hydraulics everywhere), Peterson WPF 10-30 with chain slabber. LogRite fetching arch, WM BMS250 sharpener/BMT250 setter.

Offline Meadows Miller

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 3279
  • Age: 36
  • Location: Find a Job You Love & You Will Never Work Another Day In Your Life
  • Gender: Male
  • The Walkabout Sawyer
Re: are free logs ever free.
« Reply #28 on: September 21, 2010, 07:39:58 am »
Gday

Nice score on those logs Paul there would be about 815 bft in that lot Mate  ;) ;D ;D 8) 8) 8)

Jeff As far as exchange rates go this is about the best time to buy gear from over your way for us is rite now  ;) the other day the Aussie dollar was buying $0.93 US cents thats   the best its been in awhile as it usually hovers around the 80  to 85 cents mark when things are going well in your country  ;) When Dad imported the first Meadows mills here in the early 80s he told me the exchange rate was 60 odd cents in the dollar  :o    :) you would be better waiting to get that chamberlain too Mate  ;) ;D

I have only used a metal detector a couple of times in my life  i think they are bloody useless in a production settin if your doing stuff like recycled or salvaged timber its better to have enough fresh saws on hand and pay good att to every face to reduce the risk of you hitting something  ;) It only costs me $11 au to do a full re tip plus a little gas and time now days ;) ;D ;D 8) 8) 8)

$400 bucks for 4' of hose and fittings Carl  :o :o :) ??? I pay about $22 a foot for 1/2 internal and$25 bucks each fitting where i get mine done Mate  ;)

Regards Chris


4TH Generation Timbergetter

Offline Okrafarmer

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 6417
  • Age: 39
  • Location: upcountry SC-- Sweetgum capital of the world!
  • Gender: Male
  • Avast! Here appeareth some sweetgummery about....
Re: are free logs ever free.
« Reply #29 on: September 21, 2010, 11:14:20 pm »
;D ;D 8) 8) 8)
Jeff As far as exchange rates go this is about the best time to buy gear from over your way for us is rite now  ;) the other day the Aussie dollar was buying $0.93 US cents thats   the best its been in awhile as it usually hovers around the 80  to 85 cents mark when things are going well in your country  ;)  :o    :) you would be better waiting to get that chamberlain too Mate  ;) ;D
 ;) ;) ;D ;D 8) 8) 8)
$400 bucks for 4' of hose and fittings Carl  :o :o :) ??? I pay about $22 a foot for 1/2 internal and$25 bucks each fitting where i get mine done Mate  ;)

No worries, mate, me Chamberlain-obtaining fund is still in its infancy!  :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ Not to mention me Chamberlain-shipping-across-the-Pacific fund has not yet been initiated!  :o :o :o >:(

Sounds like Carl needs to find a new hydraulic-fitting mate, eh what?  8) 8) 8) I bet you just take yours to the engineers*, right? ;D :D ;) :)

Jim

* engineers = local fabrication shop
No matter how conventional wisdom may fly in the face of radical thought, it's still the most popular type.

Turbosawmill 8" cut GX390 Warrior Sawmill, 13hp Honda
MS290 Stihl

Genesis Hardwood Lumber

Offline Meadows Miller

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 3279
  • Age: 36
  • Location: Find a Job You Love & You Will Never Work Another Day In Your Life
  • Gender: Male
  • The Walkabout Sawyer
Re: are free logs ever free.
« Reply #30 on: September 21, 2010, 11:38:20 pm »

Your onto Me  ;) :D  I get them done at a local hyd shop i also use alot off slf locking fittings which saves alot of dramas too



No worries, mate, me Chamberlain-obtaining fund is still in its infancy!  :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ Not to mention me Chamberlain-shipping-across-the-Pacific fund has not yet been initiated!  :o :o :o >:(

Jim

Mate

Jim Well get your butt into gear with both of those funds  Mate  ;) :D :D ;D 8) as i have a Good Mate with two fully awesome  ones sittn in the shed that hes willing to part with  but dont worry they arn't advertised Mate   ;) the 9G is about $5k and the 354 country man is about $6 they are both very tidy units as he has had them in his collection in a shed for about 20 odd years and they get used on the farm  on a regular basis  ;) ;D 8) 8) but they do have about 30 tractors to use  though  ;) :D ;D 8)

Regards Chris
4TH Generation Timbergetter

Offline Okrafarmer

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 6417
  • Age: 39
  • Location: upcountry SC-- Sweetgum capital of the world!
  • Gender: Male
  • Avast! Here appeareth some sweetgummery about....
Re: are free logs ever free.
« Reply #31 on: September 21, 2010, 11:51:05 pm »
Oh, Chris, you're making me drool!  smiley_bouncing food2 digin_2 cone_1 musteat_1 sketti_1 food6 pepsi_smiley horn_smiley smiley_indianchief smiley_bandana smiley_sultan smiley_chef_hat smiley_horserider smiley_egyptian smiley_heart smiley_kiss smiley_thumbsup_smiley
_speechless

I definitely better splurge and go for the 354, Mate! That's the one I'm remembering with the most fondness! I can just hear that old Perkins (or was it a Meadows?) going "thunk-thunk-thunk" and I can just imagine winning the tractor pull 8) with all the Farmall drivers sitting there scratching their heads going--  eh eh   :o :o :o :o ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( >:( >:( :( :( :( :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :'( :'( :'( :'(
No matter how conventional wisdom may fly in the face of radical thought, it's still the most popular type.

Turbosawmill 8" cut GX390 Warrior Sawmill, 13hp Honda
MS290 Stihl

Genesis Hardwood Lumber

Offline weisyboy

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 802
  • Location: Australia
  • Gender: Male
  • sawmiller & logger
    • Weiss Sawmilling and Property Maintenance
Re: are free logs ever free.
« Reply #32 on: September 22, 2010, 04:50:03 am »
these were 1" internal and tehy put crimp on ends on the hoses.

living in brissy everything is deer.

iots cheaper to buy fuel when im out wets 1000 miles from anyware than it is in brissy. >:(

$1.40/l for diesel at the local petrol stations.

Offline Okrafarmer

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 6417
  • Age: 39
  • Location: upcountry SC-- Sweetgum capital of the world!
  • Gender: Male
  • Avast! Here appeareth some sweetgummery about....
Re: are free logs ever free.
« Reply #33 on: September 22, 2010, 07:31:07 am »
About $.75 US for diesel here. At the exchange rate of .93 I guess that's around $.80 / liter. That's for highway use diesel-- our off-road diesel is maybe 10% less.
No matter how conventional wisdom may fly in the face of radical thought, it's still the most popular type.

Turbosawmill 8" cut GX390 Warrior Sawmill, 13hp Honda
MS290 Stihl

Genesis Hardwood Lumber

Offline paul case

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 4549
  • Age: 43
  • Location: extreeme northeast Oklahoma
  • Gender: Male
  • Original wearer of the PCM.
Re: are free logs ever free.
« Reply #34 on: September 22, 2010, 08:18:00 am »
who in the us sells diesel or any other fuel by the liter? i have never seen it by anything other than the gallon. pc
life is too short to be too serious. (some idiot)
2013 LT40SHE25 and Riehl edger,  WM 94 LT40 hd E15. Cut my sawing ''teeth'' on an EZ Boardwalk
sawing oak.hickory,ERC,walnut and almost anything else that shows up.
Don't get phylosophical with me. you will loose me for sure.
pc

Offline Meadows Miller

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 3279
  • Age: 36
  • Location: Find a Job You Love & You Will Never Work Another Day In Your Life
  • Gender: Male
  • The Walkabout Sawyer
Re: are free logs ever free.
« Reply #35 on: September 22, 2010, 08:22:32 am »
$1.25 for diesel and  and ULP fuel is about  $1.20 au down here  atm  ;)
4TH Generation Timbergetter

Offline weisyboy

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 802
  • Location: Australia
  • Gender: Male
  • sawmiller & logger
    • Weiss Sawmilling and Property Maintenance
Re: are free logs ever free.
« Reply #36 on: September 22, 2010, 08:45:19 am »
we dont get the choice of 2 types of diesel.

its either diesel or diesel.

you can get a biodiesel mix that is up to 25% bio and 45% regular diesel. but its only about 3c/l cheaper.

Offline Okrafarmer

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 6417
  • Age: 39
  • Location: upcountry SC-- Sweetgum capital of the world!
  • Gender: Male
  • Avast! Here appeareth some sweetgummery about....
Re: are free logs ever free.
« Reply #37 on: September 22, 2010, 06:25:12 pm »
who in the us sells diesel or any other fuel by the liter? i have never seen it by anything other than the gallon. pc

Nobody does, that I know of. I just translated it with my calculator since he no doubt doesn't think in U.S. Gallons. Even the gallons they used to use in Australia are different from U.S. Gallons. They had imperial gallons before, which are bigger than a U.S. Gallon. Go figure.
No matter how conventional wisdom may fly in the face of radical thought, it's still the most popular type.

Turbosawmill 8" cut GX390 Warrior Sawmill, 13hp Honda
MS290 Stihl

Genesis Hardwood Lumber

Offline DR_Buck

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 2581
  • Age: 65
  • Location: Northern VA
  • Gender: Male
  • Nuff said.....
    • Got Logs?
Re: are free logs ever free.
« Reply #38 on: September 22, 2010, 07:28:16 pm »
we dont get the choice of 2 types of diesel.

its either diesel or diesel.

you can get a biodiesel mix that is up to 25% bio and 45% regular diesel. but its only about 3c/l cheaper.

Off road diesel is diesel without the highway taxes included.   They add dye to it so if you get caught using it in a highway operated vehicle they can fine you.
Hidden Acres Farm
I got a shotgun, a shovel backhoe and 57 acres!

Wood-Mizer LT40HDG25

Offline Okrafarmer

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 6417
  • Age: 39
  • Location: upcountry SC-- Sweetgum capital of the world!
  • Gender: Male
  • Avast! Here appeareth some sweetgummery about....
Re: are free logs ever free.
« Reply #39 on: September 22, 2010, 11:31:06 pm »
we dont get the choice of 2 types of diesel.

its either diesel or diesel.

you can get a biodiesel mix that is up to 25% bio and 45% regular diesel. but its only about 3c/l cheaper.

Off road diesel is diesel without the highy taxes included.   They add dye to it so if you get caught using it in a highway operated vehicle they can fine you.

They can fine you over $10,000. American. They take it very seriously if you get caught with red diesel in your on-road truck. It's like you're cheating and not paying your taxes.
No matter how conventional wisdom may fly in the face of radical thought, it's still the most popular type.

Turbosawmill 8" cut GX390 Warrior Sawmill, 13hp Honda
MS290 Stihl

Genesis Hardwood Lumber

Offline weisyboy

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 802
  • Location: Australia
  • Gender: Male
  • sawmiller & logger
    • Weiss Sawmilling and Property Maintenance
Re: are free logs ever free.
« Reply #40 on: September 23, 2010, 05:59:03 am »
geez,

if we use fuel off the road in australia (like in a bobcat, tracto, dozer, unregistered 4wd) you are supposed to tell the petrol station attendant and they take of the government fuel subsidy, it adds about 15c/l.

most attendants if you tell them dotn now what to do and dont bother.

Offline Okrafarmer

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 6417
  • Age: 39
  • Location: upcountry SC-- Sweetgum capital of the world!
  • Gender: Male
  • Avast! Here appeareth some sweetgummery about....
Re: are free logs ever free.
« Reply #41 on: September 23, 2010, 07:44:25 am »
geez,

if we use fuel off the road in australia (like in a bobcat, tracto, dozer, unregistered 4wd) you are supposed to tell the petrol station attendant and they take of the government fuel subsidy, it adds about 15c/l.

most attendants if you tell them dotn now what to do and dont bother.

Carl, when I was there in '97, the farmer in Victoria told me that he kept his fuel receipts and turned in a report, maybe yearly, to the government showing his off-road usage, and would get a refund for it. Not sure how that works, but if you use a lot of it you ought to see if there's a way to do it. Maybe Chris knows. . . . .
No matter how conventional wisdom may fly in the face of radical thought, it's still the most popular type.

Turbosawmill 8" cut GX390 Warrior Sawmill, 13hp Honda
MS290 Stihl

Genesis Hardwood Lumber

Offline Meadows Miller

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 3279
  • Age: 36
  • Location: Find a Job You Love & You Will Never Work Another Day In Your Life
  • Gender: Male
  • The Walkabout Sawyer
Re: are free logs ever free.
« Reply #42 on: September 23, 2010, 08:11:35 am »
Yeah thats what I have to do and you have to keep track of whats claimable and whats not for your tax every year  ;) with diesel if you have say a 2000gal site tank and have it filled and put it in road vehicles but don't have enough paperwork at tax time to show your truck was using enough servo  fuel with recipts  for the ks you have done you can find yourself getting audited and fined quicksmart  :o :) ::)  ;) :D :D with trucks and emisions anything after 95 gets a 12% rebate along with any older truck that has a motor rebuild every 3 to 5 years depending on the Ks it dose too Mate   ;) LPG Gas & Petrol  com trucks and buses dont get any rebate either  ;)
4TH Generation Timbergetter

Offline paul case

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 4549
  • Age: 43
  • Location: extreeme northeast Oklahoma
  • Gender: Male
  • Original wearer of the PCM.
Re: are free logs ever free.
« Reply #43 on: September 23, 2010, 09:24:59 am »
here in oklahoma and i think kansas and mo are about the same off road is $.30/gallon cheaper than clear diesel . that is quite a difference. pc
life is too short to be too serious. (some idiot)
2013 LT40SHE25 and Riehl edger,  WM 94 LT40 hd E15. Cut my sawing ''teeth'' on an EZ Boardwalk
sawing oak.hickory,ERC,walnut and almost anything else that shows up.
Don't get phylosophical with me. you will loose me for sure.
pc

Offline Nate Surveyor

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 582
  • Location: Caddo Gap (SW) Arkansas
  • Gender: Male
  • If you like work, you will always be happy!
Re: are free logs ever free.
« Reply #44 on: September 23, 2010, 12:57:01 pm »
Free logs. The idea brings many things to mind. It piles my emotions up.
Yard trees, that have to be winched.
Yard trees that have to be topped.
Loads of nails, for the first 7 feet.
Free logs. just say that, and it scares me!

:)

N
I know less than I used to.

Offline paul case

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 4549
  • Age: 43
  • Location: extreeme northeast Oklahoma
  • Gender: Male
  • Original wearer of the PCM.
Re: are free logs ever free.
« Reply #45 on: September 25, 2010, 01:05:17 am »
got 1 today. i was going to cut some of my own until i got the call from a friend. he says  want a log?
i says how big?
he says maybe 20''
yes when do i need to get it
 we have the lull loader there now
i will be there in 30 minutes
ok

i went. i had to cut the tree down but they had already cut all the limbs and top off.
i got 1 - 10' log 27'' sed,  1 - 16'  18'' sed. post oak and only 4 miles from the mill. right down my alley. pc
i cut them up in the last couple f days and guess what ? they were free from nails and metal and nothing but good wood! shocking but true, sometimes they really are FREE.   pc
life is too short to be too serious. (some idiot)
2013 LT40SHE25 and Riehl edger,  WM 94 LT40 hd E15. Cut my sawing ''teeth'' on an EZ Boardwalk
sawing oak.hickory,ERC,walnut and almost anything else that shows up.
Don't get phylosophical with me. you will loose me for sure.
pc