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Price per mbf locust?
« on: June 02, 2010, 01:13:12 pm »
I was wondering what a good price was for Black locust logs, that are fairly good quality. I'm not sure but I was thinking maybe similar to the price of white oak?
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Re: Price per mbf locust?
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2010, 07:24:18 pm »
Do you have a buyer for the logs?  Many times, you don't know the actual condition of Black Locust until you open it.
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Re: Price per mbf locust?
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2010, 11:22:27 pm »
I just got an order for 48-4x4's and 6-6x6's all 8 foot, and the customer wants the 6's to be black locust, the 4's to be anything rot resistant. I have black locust logs from our woodlot, I was just trying to give the logs some kind of price in order to price the posts.
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Re: Price per mbf locust?
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2010, 07:43:48 am »
You are competing against purchased 4by and 6 by posts out of any one of the box stores/lumber yards.  Do some checking on what it would cost the customer to buy those, at the same time figure out if they are willing to pay anything additional.

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Re: Price per mbf locust?
« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2010, 08:40:02 am »
The reason he is buying from me is that he didn't want to use anything with unnatural chemicals. He will be using these for grapevines in his garden. He wanted something natural that would last a long time.
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Re: Price per mbf locust?
« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2010, 08:42:23 am »
I'd price them the same as white oak Ty.
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Re: Price per mbf locust?
« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2010, 08:44:04 am »
Thanks norm, that's kinda what I was thinking, due to the rot-resistance and all. (and wear on blades ;))
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Re: Price per mbf locust?
« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2010, 09:07:38 am »
I would probably be around the 1.50 bd ft for the finished product, thats on a true board foot basis. Depending on the quality of the logs, around 30-50 cents a board foot for the logs. The few black locust logs we have cut were all smaller; I really haven't seen a big one, so possibly the higher price if your using the Doyle scale and they are sound. Things might be different in your area.  Black locust cuts hard, at least my experience with it. You really aren't competing against pressure treated lumber.

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Re: Price per mbf locust?
« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2010, 09:15:07 am »
since you will be making a product that he cant get at lowes the price should be at least as much as the treated posts that size. here in ne ok hedge would be the rot resistant choice. they will last forever in the dirt but if you cement them in the water will get between the post and concrete and freeze and bust the concrete. i know some that have been in the ground for 40 years and are still good. the  treated pine that the lumberyards sell will be rotten at the ground,cement or not in less than 10 years.
    i sell a lot of oak trailer flooring this way.i price them the same as treated pine and sell them on the fact that it will last twice as long. i also learned to get a deposit if it is not someone i have dealt with before.  
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Re: Price per mbf locust?
« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2010, 01:07:57 pm »
I've cut locust before you're right it is hard, but I love the stuff. Just as rot-resistant as red cedar if not more, and it's hard as a rock when it's aged. It can get pretty big around here, 20"+.
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Re: Price per mbf locust?
« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2010, 01:56:05 pm »
Just remember when you are pricing it, That locust only lasts a little longer than granite .

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Re: Price per mbf locust?
« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2010, 06:38:38 pm »
And it grows like a weed :D
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Re: Price per mbf locust?
« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2010, 09:07:17 pm »
Ty, Here in Southern IN  it is pretty hard to find black locust of any size. It is usually pretty crooked as well.  I found a few one time big enough to cut one side and use as posts.  I could sell a lot of posts if I could find them big enough.  We have lots of honey locusts, the ones with the big ole thorns.  They grow pretty big and straight here, but don't last.
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Re: Price per mbf locust?
« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2010, 09:17:17 pm »
Faron, here in East Central Indiana, Honey locust is more common, but they grow to a good size also, and even faster. They like to try to take over our pasture every year. Black locust is not as common, but there is an area of our woods that has a lot of it.

I prefer the look of H. Locust over B. Locust, especially right off the saw, cause of the bright oranges and pinks. Whenever I cut one I feel like I'm cutting some kind of exotic.
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Re: Price per mbf locust?
« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2010, 09:18:42 pm »
I would think that selling a 4x4 black locust post for the same price as a treated pine 4x4 in the Box Store is pricing the locust way too low.  They are a specialty product and should command a premium price over the treated pine, at least double.
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Re: Price per mbf locust?
« Reply #15 on: June 03, 2010, 09:35:07 pm »
Thanks for the helpful tips guys, and WDH, I wasn't sure how "specialty" black locust was considered, so thanks for the heads up! I'll remember that next time..
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Re: Price per mbf locust?
« Reply #16 on: June 04, 2010, 12:53:51 am »
Finding a niche is what small mills are all about. We have a lot of black locust on the property at work, and have made a lot of fence parts out of it. Last year I made a corral out of 6x6 posts and 2x6 planks, all held together with Timberloks. Prices I've heard for various black locust products are around $1.50/ft. I don't know what PT is at the lumberyard, but I don't think it will last like locust. :D
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Re: Price per mbf locust?
« Reply #17 on: June 04, 2010, 09:23:09 pm »
PT posts are about $.85/bd-ft here.
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