Lost half my barn.

[Weekend_Sawyer]

 



The rafter ties cut loose and the wall pushed out allowing half the roof to come down. the other half is resting on an interior wall that makes up part of an internal garage. We built the barn in the late 80's and did not use enough rafter ties.





In front is a 1947 Farmall super A and in back you can just make out the rear wheel of a 1944 Farmall M the rest is under snow and debris. Both have the sheet metal off for painting and don't look damaged.

I have to start by shoring up the exterior wall that was pushed out, try and remove some of the snow load on the good side of the roof then wait for snow to melt then start demoing the bad roof.

It could have been alot worse.

Jon

[Weekend_Sawyer]

 



Another view.

[ely]

thats bad luck, looks like alot of snow.
reminds me when i built my porch back when i had a house. i used some scrap lumber and just threw it together, dad told me that wont hold 6 inches of snow. i ask him when was the last time we had any snow let alone 6 inches. just that very winter my porch looked like your shop. :

[Raider Bill]

Jon,

Hopefully the Roadking was not in there?

[Weekend_Sawyer]

Ely, we live we learn. Usually the hard way.

Bill, I sold the Road King and I still miss it. I bought a new Street glide and it is in my basement awaiting temps over 35 and salt free roads.

[stonebroke]

Bad luck. We deal with snow loads every year. You might want to make a little steeper slope on your replacement roof. and engineer it for snow load. It all depends on what you are putting in it. Machinery you definitely don't want it to collapse, Hay and livestock you can cheat a little. Livestock will normally run out of a barn(if they can) when it starts to creak as it is starting to go down. Generally you do not lose too many. The feedlot I used to use had one go down( rotten trusses) and only had five out of eight hundred head got trapped. Also If you use metal roofing in a windy place a lot of snow will blow off,  This does not help you in a calm storm. The only real solution is to get up and shovel the roof.

Stonebroke

[Raider Bill]

Ely, we live we learn. Usually the hard way.

Bill, I sold the Road King and I still miss it. I bought a new Street glide and it is in my basement awaiting temps over 35 and salt free roads.

Let me know how you like the glide saddle. I've heard they are a bit hard on the buttocks.

[Warbird]

Oh man.  That sucks.  This goes without saying but be real careful when you go to start shoring things up and moving things around.  It may be very unstable.  Glad it wasn't any worse.

[Don K]

Soory Jon. Hope you don't have any water damage later.

Don

[asy]

Wow, that's really awful...

The snow must be really heavy, do you have to allow much in the weight loading of the roof for the snow weight?

I hope it cleans up OK and isn't more damage than you currently see...

asy.

[Magicman]

    If we got 1/2 of what you got, half of the buildings here would collapse, including mine..  I have two sheds with one half to 12 roof pitches.  They would be knee high after that much snow..... ;D

[moonhill]

How many inches of snow did you get? 

A metal roof with a 9/12 pitch roof will shed snow with just the weight of the snow itself.  I never see more than 6"-7" on my roof.  One of the advantages of a metal roof.   

I did help shovel off a friends camp roof in March after a long winter, it look very much like the pictures.

Tim 

[Weekend_Sawyer]

We got between 30 and 36 inches. I beleive that had not happened since the 30's.

these 4/12 pitch roofs are easy to build, safer while building but I beleive I am going for a steeper pitch next time.

Bill, sending an IM on the seat situation.

Jon

[Chuck White]

Jon;  This could be an opportunity in disguise.
Get the roof debris out of the way and the walls squared up again and go up,
put in a storage loft then a steep roof on top of that.
You know the old saying, "you never have enough storage space"!

[ARKANSAWYER]

  I hate to say it but we are sending more snow your way.  We picked up another 8 inches yesterday and last night.  Plenty left in the storm when it left here.  Glad it was not the house.

[ErikC]

   That's bad luck, but I guess you have a good attitude about all of it judging by your comments in the first post.
   I built all my roofs on even the little outbuildings at 6:12, with metal on them. No problem even with a lot of snow. They are not to bad to work up on, and the math is easy when you build. I have a friend who told me in our last storm the roof of his brothers car got smashed in, he spent a lot of time on the roof shoveling as they don't have a steep pitch, or metal on it. No thanks--they got 5 1/2 feet as his house.
   Warbird was right about working in there, be real careful....

[Weekend_Sawyer]

I thank all of you for your well wishes.
I'm still shoveling out but they say there's another 10 to 15 inches headed our way! 

[ibseeker]

Sorry to hear about your barn, hope that all goes well with the next storm. Be careful when you finally are able to get in there to fix it. I like the idea about using this opportunity to add a second story for storage.

[zopi]

Send the farmalls down and I will love on them until you get the barn fixed... :D

I'm hoping I can get mine remodeled before it falls over...

[Weekend_Sawyer]

Your barn or your Farmall?  :D

[WDH]

Tough luck, Jon.  That is an incredible amount of snow, and that has to wear on you.  Keep the faith.

[Brucer]

Bummer  :(.

When you're not used to significant snowfalls, that light fluffy stuff can creep up on ya so easily ...

Snowfall reporting can be confusing. Basically they figure out how many inches (mm in Canada) of rain you'd get (or already got) if it wasn't frozen, and then they multiply by 10 to get the depth of snow. That's what you'd see if the snow was very light and dry.

Even the light snow adds up in a hurry -- 2" of dry snow works out to 1 pound per square foot on your roof. If you've got 1000 square feet of roof with 30" of dry snow on it, you're looking at 7.5 tons of snow sitting up there.

Rain will melt the snow, but before the rain melts it's way through and starts running off the roof, it's just adding to the weight.

When a roof lets go like that, it goes fast and you don't get any warning. Wood structures adjust themselves to redistribute the load. If they are loaded to the max, when a rafter or truss or tie breaks and stops carrying it's share, the next rafter gets grossly overloaded and fails. After that they go one by one. We had a garage fail in the subdivision nearby and it sounded like a machine gun going off as the rafter ties failed.

Metal roofs are great for shedding snow, but you've got to keep an eye on them to be sure there's nothing causing the snow to hang up. The garage that came down had a metal roof, but a couple of trees beside it had got big enough to keep the snow from sliding clear.

[SwampDonkey]

I feel your pain over this. My dad had a loading shed collapse in January 1996. He kept his roofs cleaned off to. But, over a 12 hour period one night we got 2 feet of sopping wet snow on the roof and it caved. Had potatoes stored in there to, so work had to get underway to protect those potatoes. When he made a claim to insurance, found out the insurance was useless, didn't cover snow load. The very next year a lot of old run down sheds caved in around the country and the government covered their loss. Dad put in a claim from the year before and never got a a lick. A couple I knew were in real bad shape to begin with, but the owners where political back benchers so they got their money with no question. One of them old dives became a new home on the government dole.  >:(

[rick f]

Swamp, do you know Neil and frank Lovely in centervill and Gordonville? They haul me straw in the fall.
Don't mean to change this thread.

[SwampDonkey]

I know who Neil is and where his farm is, yup. He probably wouldn't know me because I haven't done much business with him other than cruising some of his land a few years ago. I guess we did do some thinning on the back of his farm in 2003 I think it was. The cruising part was for a logger. My uncle knew him well, around the same age.