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Started by TexasTimbers, February 12, 2009, 02:12:02 PM

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TexasTimbers

I have talk radio going in the shop most all the time, and they give local state national news on the halves. Could'a swore the guy just said the Texas Forest Service just acknowledged they found a sycamore with a XX' diameter.

I can't find the story anywhere on the news wires. I'm not gonna say the diameter I thought I heard because it ain't possible. But anyone hear anything about this newsworthy discovery?  ???
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Dodgy Loner

For the state and national champion tree programs, the circumference of the tree is used rather than the diameter for the point total.  So if you heard a diameter that doesn't sound right, more than likely someone got it confused and it's actually supposed to be circumference.
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Tom

I'd go for the confusion between circumference and diameter too.

There is some Eastern Red Cedar on craigslist here that is being advertised as Aeronautical Cedar.  The guy is adament that this is what it is.  I think he has Aeronautical and Aromatic confused.  I'm being asked, as a third person, to give my opinion to the buyer, a neighbor.  I don' t know what to suggest as the price to offer for Aeronautical cedar. :D

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TexasTimbers

Bet you're right. Makes sense too because  30'/3.1416 = 9½ diameter.

I wasn't paying much attention but got perked up  when I heard " . . . that the Texas Forest Service has confirmed the Sycamore has a diameter of 30 feet."  :o  ::)

The Big Tree Registry on the TFS website says "No Current Champ" for us, so I guess we're fixin to have one. From my quick look online the Nat'l champ is in Ohio and a scosh more than 11'.
The oil is all in Texas, but the dipsticks are in D.C.

TexasTimbers

I have to agree with Jeff; something out of this world so you can get your fair slice of the cosmic consulting fee. ;D
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Dodgy Loner

9.5 feet sounds much more reasonable than 30.  I've measured one sycamore in the 9' diameter range.  It was in the White River National Wildlife in southeast Arkansas.  Some fish and wildlife officers stopped us and asked us a bunch of questions about what we were doing and why we were there.  I guess we looked suspicious with our tape measures and clinometers, like we were going to cut down the hollow giant or something ::)
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TexasTimbers

All I had to do was go to the website of the radio station. ::)

Probable State Champion Possibly the largest tree in Texas they are now saying.  I know it's a midget compared the redwoods and some others around the country but still, it's a whopper for this area. It's about an hour from us so we might have to go gawk at it soon.

I wonder if they've had time to put up the "No Chainsaws Allowed" sign yet?
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Dave Shepard

I've been sawing sycamore lately, so it's come up in conversation a lot. This sycamore was mentioned to me not an hour ago. There are a couple around here that are easily in the 5'-6' range.
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TexasTimbers

I posted this one a couple and half years ago here on the forum. I said it was 4' dbh but, I went back to it week last to measure it again, because I wanted to ask these loggers if their machine would handle it. It measured closer to 5' I think. It's hard to tell just by myself becasue it's up on a slippery mound and I can't even walk around it to get a circumference. Need to take the wife with me and see if we can tag team it. You can't tell much in this picture, but the one on the right is the biggest one.




The owner of the logging company said he'll go with me to look at it. His guys were loading a huge red oak when I was talking to him and he nodded at it and said "we can take most anything around here." They've quit taking pulp and moved north of me about a half mile and are taking tie timber only now.
The oil is all in Texas, but the dipsticks are in D.C.

Tom

Just make sure you don't cut down a potential Champion. :P :)

DanG

Quote from: Tom on February 12, 2009, 02:52:27 PM


There is some Eastern Red Cedar on craigslist here that is being advertised as Aeronautical Cedar. 

I saw dat! :D  The true identity of this wood is still up in the air at this writing. ;D
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TT,

We will have to have a pic of that champion sycamore, so go ahead and get your trip planned  :).
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TexasTimbers

Quote from: Tom on February 12, 2009, 08:46:16 PM
Just make sure you don't cut down a potential Champion. :P :)

I think we can rule that out after the latest discovery. These things are destined for the burn pile anyway. My neighbor has finally started clearing making good on his intent to replace the trees with cattle.

Quote from: WDH on February 12, 2009, 10:05:16 PM
TT, 

We will have to have a pic of that champion sycamore, so go ahead and get your trip planned  :).

I need to call that association and find out when public access will be allowed. Can't wait.
The oil is all in Texas, but the dipsticks are in D.C.

Tom

There are National Champions, State Champions, County Champions and the biggest tree in the city.  If you can get one of those titles assigned to your tree, you can get multiples of the price when you sell the boards if you market it effectively.  Size does matter if history is involved.  :D

TexasTimbers

Tom you may be the only man I have ever known who can make a relevant observation concerning size, and history. :D
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Restoman

Quote from: TexasTimbers on February 12, 2009, 03:04:19 PM
Bet you're right. Makes sense too because  30'/3.1416 = 9½ diameter.

I wasn't paying much attention but got perked up  when I heard " . . . that the Texas Forest Service has confirmed the Sycamore has a diameter of 30 feet."  :o  ::)

The Big Tree Registry on the TFS website says "No Current Champ" for us, so I guess we're fixin to have one. From my quick look online the Nat'l champ is in Ohio and a scosh more than 11'.


How long were you guys going to go before you stopped and pondered the formula?

Circumference  is  Pie r squared

the diameter of a 30' is 6 feet not 9.5



beenthere

Whoops.. :)

Area = pie r squared

Circumference = pie d

(and I should review all the comments but.. didn't).
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TexasTimbers

Restoman,

First things first. We aren't talking about cake or pie. if we were talking about pie, a pie with a circumference of say 10" is equal to adding about a half an inch to the waistline if eaten in one single sitting.

Pi however is 3.1414 (close enough) and to solve for diameter you divide circumference by Pi .

Grits are an altogether different matter, and it's funny you should bring them up because Mrs. TT fixed me a heaping bowl  this a.m laden with a big dollup of butter, a few pibches of salt, and several generous shakes of pepper. beenthere I thought of you as I ate them; knowing you would have to settle for poridge or whatever it is y'all eat for breakfast up there in the Arctic circle. ;D


The oil is all in Texas, but the dipsticks are in D.C.

fishpharmer

Not to hijack the thread, fascinating about the a possible champion tree.

Tom, concerning the aeronatical cedar, I just remembered that the Bellanca Viking is an aircraft made with wood wings.
http://home.att.net/~vikingdrvr/AvConsumer.html

Or could they mean nautical cedar which might be Atlantic White Cedar often used in wooden yacht construction?

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SwampDonkey

OK, throw away your diameter tapes. :D
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TexasTimbers

Quote from: fishpharmer on April 13, 2009, 05:30:38 PM
Or could they mean . . . .  Atlantic White Cedar often used in wooden yacht construction?

. . . . and on the left coast they prefer to build with Pacific Yew.


Far be it from me to stop a perfectly good hijacking. ;D
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SwampDonkey

Northern white cedar used up here in the old canvass back river canoes. :)
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