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Sawbuck

 About 2 years ago, my uncle purchaced a piece of property with a river, a dam, and an ancient water driven circle sawmill.  It was still in use periodicly a dozen years ago, but has sat idle since then.  The rotory gate around the turbine seized up and eventually, so did the turbine.

After puttering around with it for 2 years, and spending a lot of cash to get the shaft replaced on the turbine, it is spinning once again.

The saw blade has quite a bit of surface rust on it.  Any suggestions on how to clean it up?

It also has no lead at all.  The blade runs completely parallel.  How much should I start it at?  I was thinking around 1/16".

I ran a couple of cedar logs through it that have been sitting in the mill for decades.  It seemed to saw ok in spite of the rust and lack of lead.  

The old flat belts slip a little.  Should I replace them, or is there something I can dress them with to make them stick better?

Does anyone know of anyone in eastern Ontario who can still hammer these old blades?  We have 2 of them.  One was just back from being retoothed and hammered when the turbine seized up.

I'll post some pics of the mill as soon as I get some.

Thanks :)

Tom

I'll certainlly be watching your posts.  This sounds like a very exciting adventure.

Turbine?   I always picture water wheels on water driven mills.  Pictures will help explain to me how they transfer the power.  interesting.

On some things, wear and usage polishes the surfaces. Your rusty sawblade might take care of itself.

How fast will it saw and still not bog down?  I know that's a loaded question because of what is being sawed but I could see the saw being brought to halt if bogged down.

 :D I guess "smoking the engine" wouldn't have much of a place here, eh?  :D

Welcome to the Forestry Forum and please make more posts on the mill.

woodhaven

The book calls for 1/32 lead I run a little more than that myself. I know what you mean about rusty blades mine do the same after setting for a while. The best thing I have found is running a few pine logs through it. It won't look like new but it will look like a saw blade again. It must be the sap I can run a lot of other wood through and it won't clean a bit but a few pine logs works wonders.
  That circular mill won't ever get old it just needs a little tender loving care every once in a while.
Good Luck and Welcome Aboard!!!!
Richard

Mark M

Hi Sawbuck

Welcome to the group. You could polish it up nicely with a Scotch-Brite pad in an electric drill or air grinder. You can get a backer pad with 1/4 shaft to fit either. I have used them for many years to remove rust and they work well. You could also use some acid. Phosphoric acid is a common rust remover and it is the active ingredient in Navel Jelly (unless its changed). You could also try toilet bowl cleaner or some of that rust remover for bath tubs. Or you can just wait a while and let the logs polish for you.

We can't wait to see pictures.

Mark

inspectorwoody

Welcome to Forum!

I am very excited to see your pics. I also have an old circular mill but it isn't that neat  ;) I just recieved a publication titled "Circular Sawmills and their Efficient Operation by Stanford J Lunstrum. You can get a copy by contacting the Forest Products Lab in Wisconsin @ 608-231-9200.

solidwoods

Welcome.
For the blade body rust I would use an angle grinder with a cup brush mounted on.  
Mount blade on the arbor, just as for use. prw. off , have someone slowly spin the blade (counter/opposite to the grinder), work the grinder from ctr to out or reverse and brush/grind the rust off. If you wont mill for a few days, oil the  blade after use.
If you have no experience with a circle mill get someone who has run one to help and show you some safety tips.
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biziedizie

  Why does this really cool mill have to be on the other side of Canada!!!! :'( :'(
  Here I'm thinking that maybe, just maybe you were going to be closer so I could come up for a day or so.....I mean a week or two and help ya run a few logs. ;D
  Any chance of you moving closer??? Like maybe next door??? Or better yet there's room for you here 8)


    Steve

chet

Welcome aboard Sawbuck. As you can tell, we are all just at teeeny tiiiiiny bit envious of yur mill.    :'(   Ya gots to post sum pics and make us feel even worse.    ;)
I am a true TREE HUGGER, if I didnt I would fall out!  chet the RETIRED arborist

Jeff

O.K., I know about rusty circle saws as I usually put one on every couple years. Don't worry about it, and dont waste your time or saw plate cleaning it. it will clean up just fine as you saw.

Welcome, and I too am excited about your membership and your future posts. Remember, all these guys will help if you have any trouble with pics and things like that.
Just call me the midget doctor.
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Jeff

Hey! you're only a days drive from me. Maybe someday I'll get to see this one!
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beenthere

Theoretically (that's a big word for me), the saw blade shouldn't touch the wood to bring a shine to it, if my minimal understanding of the circular saw is correct. I do remember a good hunting friend of mine who had a circular mill, and he would worry about sawing too slow such that the sawdust would spill out of the gullet and along the blade, causing the blade to heat up and "warp" from heat expansion. Made sense to me then, but not sure if I completely understand it now. If so, sawdust spilling out of the gullets would likely cause the rust to be polished off, but may also cause the saw to heat.  But I too, believe that just running the saw will take care of the rust.

Heat from the teeth cutting through wood will elongate the rim, taking the hammered 'dish' out of the blade, so it runs straight. Again, a memory of what I used to think I knew about saws.

This same fellow I knew worked on a patent to design a circular saw so that the saw would heat toward the center by rubbing on the wood (log) thus balancing the heat created by the teeth at the rim, thus keeping the saw blade in balance. I think he was a close friend and worked on his ideas with Harry Schell in Blue River, WI, who was pretty good at hammering saws back then.  

That water-run mill sounds like a very exciting endeavor. Looking forward to pictures.
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Jeff

Theoreticacally, (DanG bubblehead thats a big word for anybody) Your right. The saw plate does not touich the wood due to the wider curve of the teeth and shanks(holders). But it will, and does at times and will clean its self. If Kiwi Chuck was here he's say "no worries mate"
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Commercial circle sawmill sawyer in a past life for 25yrs.
Ezekiel 22:30

Sawbuck

Pictures!  I hope they are not too small  ::)






Anyone recognize the make/model/vintage?  There is no manufacturer's stamp that I can find.

Jeff

Sawbuck, send your original photos to tom@forestryforum.com  and he will make em in a bigger size so we can see them well.


YOUR WELCOME TOM! ;)

really, send em tom wont mind. I'd do it but I can for a day ot two.
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chet

DanG'D it Sawbuck we aint talking envious no more. Now we are downright Jealous.   :(
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DanG

Hot Diggety DanG, Sawbuck. You've got a treasure there. 8) 8)  I'm sure one of the Forum eckspurts will help you put the pics into a thumbnail gallery so we can see them better. I can see enough with the small pics to tell you have put a lot of work into that old mill.  Thanks for sharing with us.

Does the mill have any log and lumber handling features that are water powered, too?  I know where there is an old steam powered mill on public display. They ran the whole thing off of one big shaft with a series of belts. It is just a static display now, but you can almost hear it run if you're in tune with what you're looking at. :)
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Buzz-sawyer

Welcome to the forum!
I run a pre world war two circular saw and set works...be care ful not to damage your old blade in the cleaning process dont heat it by rubbing fiercly!....if it got new teeth and was hammered just before the mill shut down you should be able to saw for quite some time with no trouble(many thousands of multiple board feet)....about the lead......, every saw is different it is a bit more of an art than an exact science...so first,
 did it heat noticably to the touch when you finished sawing the logs (the blade should ALWAYS BE COOL to the touch)?

Second Did it rub excessively on the return? The goal is to only us enough lead to prevent contact with the log...
Don
    HEAR THAT BLADE SING!

Jeff

 a heavily rusted saw may heat a little at first due to friction from the rust. The lead is trial and error. No two saws are alike. a 16th is not a bad starting point.

I just changed saws for the first time in almost two years to get it retentioned and some new shanks. It has close to 10 million board feet on it since last worked on (other then new holders I put in it while on the arbor)
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Sawbuck

More pics!  ;D

I wish I took pics of the turbine before we re-assembled it.  It was pretty neat.  Cast about 120 years ago in one piece, it is a marvel of technology in itself.  With an 8 foot head, it will supply about 50hp.  I could supply about 76kW of electricty with this puppy if it wasn't spinning the mill. :)

There is another smaller turbine installed that used to power a water pump and a DC generator for lights in the mill.  It is seized at the moment and will require a complete overhaul.  There is also a dismantled turbine that fits in a third spot that will eventually be installed to generate about 40kW of electricity.

View of the dam and mill.
View of the millpond.
View of the *DanG, and the typical logdog? :)
We cut back the 4X6 decking over the penstock and installed a gate so we could remove the old rotted one that was just to the right if the steel bar in the lower right corner.  Having only a single gate, there was no way to replace boards while holding back the water.
A view of the penstock from the turbine room.  Mostly drained.
The partially submerged turbine housing.  It is actually spinning right now with only 3 feet of water!
The step-up gearbox and the turbine gate control.  (The old steering wheel)  :)
Flywheel, belt, and the mill mouse trap.
The carriage
Another view.


Well, enough for now.  I'll show more if requested :)

DanG

Thanks SawBuck!  Consider it requested. :)
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biziedizie

  Sawbuck I just got a call from my boss (me!) and he said that I have to relocate to Ontario, there's an emergency there and he said that I'm the only one that can deal with it. 8) :D :D
  Seems he said something about staying for awhile out your way. I see that a 40' mobile would look great right beside your pond. ;D
  I'm clean and I don't have a dog or a wife and I know how to make yellow snow in our winters. :D :D

OK, OK I'm not really telling the truth. :D :D

  Can I just come visit for awhile??? Please, pretty please. :)

  Hey I'll even bring some Canadian back bacon and some beers. 8)


    Steve

Sawbuck

DanG,

None of the log handling equipment is there anymore.  What was left of it was dismantled yesterday.  

When it is rebuilt, the carriage will draw logs up a set of rollers and onto 3 railroad irons set at the hight of the carriage.  They will then be rolled onto the carriage by hand, and rolled as needed on the carriage by hand also.  Any automation we add in the future will be driven by the turbine.

We will also be able to pull logs out of the millpond using the carriage if we want to keep some of them wet.  

I plan to dive it later this year to see if there are any ancient waterlogged treasures waiting to be sawed.

Sawbuck

Quote Sawbuck I just got a call from my boss (me!) and he said that I have to relocate to Ontario, there's an emergency there and he said that I'm the only one that can deal with it. 8) :D :D
  Seems he said something about staying for awhile out your way. I see that a 40' mobile would look great right beside your pond. ;D
  I'm clean and I don't have a dog or a wife and I know how to make yellow snow in our winters. :D :D

OK, OK I'm not really telling the truth. :D :D

  Can I just come visit for awhile??? Please, pretty please. :)

  Hey I'll even bring some Canadian back bacon and some beers. 8)


    Steve

There's no emergency yet, but the ol' girl is howling for some logs to eat, and the neibors are looking at their trees with concern :)

Any sawyer who wants to come up and look it over, you are quite welcome to :)  (bring wood!)  ;D

Frank_Pender

I too, welcome you a board, Sawbuck.   What a neat set of rigging.  8) I am purely enveious.  :'(
Frank Pender

Norm

Very cool setup Sawbuck, thanks for the pics and explaining it all to us.

shopteacher

You not only have an envious mill, you have a real treasure.  The lake and dam look like something out of a magazine. ( Field & Stream) Are you having any trouble with the fish getting caught in the turbine?  If so a friend and I will volunteer to come up and take a few of them off yer hands or pinstock whatever the case.  Where about in Ontario are you located?
Welcome to the forum and good luck with the restoration of the mill.
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Percy

WOW...what a setup, you could sell pictures of your setup/land/system to the greeting card companys. Thanks for sharing ;D
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D._Frederick

Sawbuck,
I would pay to see a mill like you have running,great pictures!
I have a American Sawmill Machinery Company catalog dating to early twenties. The feed works on your mill looks like the "Hercules" that American had. The head blocks on your carriage and setworks are not From American Sawmill. None of the American husks have the decorations. I suspect that the feed works was bought from American Sawmill and the rest from other mill makers.

OneWithWood

What a find, Sawbuck!  You are a lucky man. 8)

I am looking forward to seeing more pics and hearing how you get along with such a wonderfull setup.
One With Wood
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Sawbuck

Thank you all for your suggestions and comments.  I'll keep you all posted on how things are going. We are likely a month away from any serious sawing.

If anyone would like to have a look in person, let me know and I will arrange a tour :)


dail_h

   That's just too kool. Shoot, if you get tired of sawing, you can just stop,an go fishing.let's see you WMZER guys top that ;D ;D ;D
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Fla._Deadheader

Sawbuck, that is a nice set-up. Does the water run past the turbine to spin it, or, drop down on it??
  I was involved with Alternate Energy a few years ago and would have loved to known about the turbine like you have. How much "head" from the millpond to the turbine blades???
  If ya need help raising them "Sinkers", I got the rig !!! ;D ;D ;)
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Sawbuck

QuoteSawbuck, that is a nice set-up. Does the water run past the turbine to spin it, or, drop down on it??
  I was involved with Alternate Energy a few years ago and would have loved to known about the turbine like you have. How much "head" from the millpond to the turbine blades???
  If ya need help raising them "Sinkers", I got the rig !!! ;D ;D ;)

The visable part of the turbine housing in the pictures is the lid of the outer cage.  Around the side are 8 gates that spiral in toward the turbine.  The runner is a Francis reaction turbine.  Water drops down through it and exits on a sharp angle, providing thrust on top of the thrust imparted by the water coming in through the gates.

Full head on the dam is about 10 feet.  The mill turbine uses about 8 feet once you take out the losses.

Here is a picture of a francis turbine runner.   (It's a lot bigger then the one we have) :)

Here is a link to a manufacturer of water wheels.  http://www.waterwheelfactory.com/francis.htm

As for the sinkers, it would be a 26 hour drive for you to haul your boat.  They would have to be some prize logs to make it worth that trip :)

Fla._Deadheader

Yeah, yer right, but, it WOULD be nice to SEE a log before ya tong it. ::) ::) ;D
  That Turbine looks like an enclosed Pelton Wheel type. Pretty slick. Thanks
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D._Frederick

Sawbuck,
How is the speed (rpm) controlled? Or is it a case of so much head, so many rpm? I you are going to generate AC power, does the other turbine have a governor.

Den Socling

AC would be tough because of the frequency problem. He said that DC had been generated for lighting.

Sawbuck

QuoteSawbuck,
How is the speed (rpm) controlled? Or is it a case of so much head, so many rpm? I you are going to generate AC power, does the other turbine have a governor.

RPM is generally factored in when the pullies are installed.  The turbines are operated at full speed, and stepped up or down depending on the speed required.  You can slow it down by partially closing the gates around the turbine, but you loose power as well as speed.  The turbine runners are generally manufactured to turn a certain speed, and are designed to operate at a certain range of head.

As for AC power generation, It is a little complicated in the mathematics, but all electric moptors/generators have what is called the slip factor.  An 1800 RPM motor actually turns about 1725 RPM.  The loss is due to the slip factor and it is essential for the operation of the motor.  When you generate AC current, you would take an electric motor, and spin it faster than it's rated running speed.  The same 1800 RPM motor would generate power if spun over 1800 RPM.  At 1875 RPM, you would be producing the maximum the motor is capable of gererating.  To set it up for producing power, you determine the shaft speed of the turbine at average head and step up to about 1850 RPM.  It takes a bit of tweeking and likely a few years of monitoring high and low water levels.  You can always cut back on the amount of water entering the penstock, but it you guess too high, it's hard to create water that isn't there :)

Sawbuck

QuoteAC would be tough because of the frequency problem. He said that DC had been generated for lighting.

If you are tied into the power company grid, your generator will automaticly sync with the 60 hz of the grid.  You can have problems if you are generating just for your own use with no grid to sync with.  you have to ballance the load carefully and keep the RPM right.  It would not hurt most electrical aplliances to operate at a range between 50 and 70 hz.  Computers wouldn't like it much though :)

Den Socling

I was thinking of computers and such. You are right. AC motors wouldn't give a hoot if frequency varied.

Fuse the dickins out of any power generation circuits. We would all cry if you burned that mill down!  :D

Looks like you have the time, money and interest in preserving that mill. That's great.

Jason_WI

Most computer grade power supplies can tolerate a range from 47 to 63 Hz since they operate from 50 or 60 Hz AC power and from 85 VAC to 240 VAC depending on where you live.

Jason
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Sawbuck

QuoteFuse the dickins out of any power generation circuits. We would all cry if you burned that mill down!  :D

Looks like you have the time, money and interest in preserving that mill. That's great.

You can be sure it will be well fused :)  The whole mill is going to be rewired as soon as possible.

As for money, the reason I chose the name sawbuck is because so far, all we have run through the mill is money :)

We don't have a lot, but we are doing everything right the first time.  It will take longer to get up to full production, but we are sure it will run another century if we get it back to it's original condition.

Interest I have aplenty.  I have dreamed of having something like this since I was a small child looking down at the ruins of a hydro-electric station.  So many of them were torn down after the big coal burning plants were built, then most of the rest after the nuclear plants.  Sawmills have also always fascinated me.  This is the best of both worlds :)

D._Frederick

Sawbuck,
How much water flow do you have, would it be enough to generate power to sell to your local power company? At the price of electricity it may be possible to get some return back on your investment.

chet

Sawbuck, Even if you never saw a single board, dats OK cause that mill sure is purty to look at anyways.
I am a true TREE HUGGER, if I didnt I would fall out!  chet the RETIRED arborist

Sawbuck

QuoteSawbuck,
How much water flow do you have, would it be enough to generate power to sell to your local power company? At the price of electricity it may be possible to get some return back on your investment.

We have deeded rights to "run of the river".  Ther is enough flow to generate 60 to 75 kw.  Enough to run 10 average homes.  We could only do this while the saw is idle though.  It take about 75% of the turbine output to keep the saw at full speed.  Also, unless we spend a lot of money on high voltage 3-phase equipment, the power companies really aren't too interested in it.  (unless we pay to run 600 volt lines about 10 miles)  If we can generate 1200 volts or better, then they would be interested.

Sawbuck

QuoteSawbuck, Even if you never saw a single board, dats OK cause that mill sure is purty to look at anyways.


 ;D Thank you!  We will be sawing though.  Just as soon as we get a good source of timber, and a market for the lumber :)

Buzz-sawyer

Hi sawbuck,
A possibility (maybe you have already explored) is buying a used high voltage transformer to step up your voltage output to the 12000 they want.....should be cheap to nothing from salvage source pretty comon use in industry and power companies.....?  Also if you would like to see some pics of my mill set up click below
Don

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    HEAR THAT BLADE SING!

smwwoody

Sawbuck
Sawbuck

You sound like you know something about electric generation.  You may be able to help me with my newest project.  I have about 50 extra horse power comeing from my diesel that i am not useing it is rated at 210hp and max load on everything I am only useing 120hp so I figure it is safe to say that there are and extra 50 horses looking for something to do. I want to generate AC to light my mill and run a few motors.  I have a lot of single and 3 phase motors sitting around doing nothing. everyone tells me that I can not generate ac power with a motor that is belt driven off of my diesel  

Woody  
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Cooper Scragg
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McDonugh edger
McDonugh resaw
TS end trim
Pendu slab recovery system
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Rick Schmalzried

Woody,
That is only partially untrue :D

A normal AC motor (single or three phase) requires incomming power to generate the magnetic fields in the windings of the stator (the stationary part).  This then generates electricity, which causes magentism in the rotor (the part that turns) which (amazingly  :o ) causes it to turn.  If the motor is a synchronous type (such as a 3 phase), now that it is turning and everything is magnetized, if you feed mechanical power back into the motor, it will generate electricity.

Unfortunatly, it is the case that it requires electricity before you can generate it, but if you have it, you likely don't need to generate it ;D

A possibility would be to look around for an old farm generator that is no longer in use.  My grandfather had one that powered his farm before the utility company came by and connected the power grid.  I doubt the engine has been run in over 50 years.  If you would uncouple the generator and power it from your diesel you could get quite a bit of power.

If you didn't need that much power (ie only several KW) you may be able to advertise as wanting an emergency generator with a failed engine.  A bunch were built for Y2K and uneducated homeowners ran them out of oil....

Good luck.
--Rick
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D._Frederick

Woody,
It would be know problem to belt a generator to your diesel. The way it is done is to put a power take-off on the front of the engine and use Vee belts to the generator. You should get a generator that is close to the rpm of your diesel, either a 1800 or 3600rpm, then use pulleys to get this rpm. You should be able to run a 20-25 KW generator.

smwwoody

I all ready have a rockford style clutch pto on the motor with a ten B grove shive seven of these groves are being used to run the mill the hydraulic pump and the edger.  I know I can belt drive a generator real easy from this I was just wondering if I could generate AC with what I have laying around
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Cleereman head rig
Cooper Scragg
McDonugh gang saw
McDonugh edger
McDonugh resaw
TS end trim
Pendu slab recovery system
KJ4WXC

D._Frederick

Smwwoody,
The answer to your question about using what you have laying around to generate current is NO. A motor can generate power, but it is un-regulated and the voltage would be unstable. To do it right, you should have a power take off on the front of the engine belted to a generate. That way you could have electrical power without running your sawmill.

smwwoody

Thanks D

I found a 4400 watt homolite generator with a bad engine today for free.   I will tear it down in the morning to see what I will have to do to belt it to my diesel.  I have a second clutch on the mill so I can shut it down. the only thing I will have to run extra is the hydraulic pump.
 8) 8) 8)
Full time Mill Manager
Cleereman head rig
Cooper Scragg
McDonugh gang saw
McDonugh edger
McDonugh resaw
TS end trim
Pendu slab recovery system
KJ4WXC

D._Frederick

smwwoody,
If you have time, tell us about your sawmill: what make, size, make of power unit, and etc.

smwwoody

Ok I'll tell you about the band mill first.  I built the whole thing ecept the cook guides.  It runs a vertical band 1.5" wide and 14'10" long  the band is stationary and the log moves on a carrage just like a circle mill.  I have powered it with a few different motors but right now I am useing a 401 case 6 cylinder diesel It runs this mill the edger and the hydraulic pump for this mill.. soon the generator too 8).

Last year I sawed 450mbf with it and wore a few things out and broke a lot.  so I am rebuilding most of it now.  I threw out the old friction drive I built for the carrage and went to a hydraulic motor much neater and a lot less parts to wear out.
Full time Mill Manager
Cleereman head rig
Cooper Scragg
McDonugh gang saw
McDonugh edger
McDonugh resaw
TS end trim
Pendu slab recovery system
KJ4WXC

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