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Re: Establishing a New Pine Plantation
« Reply #20 on: November 04, 2008, 11:50:34 am »
Loblolly self-prunes really well, anyway.  I was doing a little "shopping" in my small patch of woods yesterday, looking for fence post material.  There are many naturally regenerated Loblollies out there that look like a Christmas tree on top of a flagpole.  Some are 4"dbh or less, and 40 feet to the branches.
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Re: Establishing a New Pine Plantation
« Reply #21 on: November 04, 2008, 12:33:24 pm »
Loblolly is a good self-pruner when grown in a dense stand like the one you describe.  However, many pine plantations are grown on a wide spacing to encourage rapid growth, which also encourages the trees to hold onto their branches longer.  The trees in your patch of woods will produce excellent timber, but would be growing too slowly if profit is the primary consideration.
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Re: Establishing a New Pine Plantation
« Reply #22 on: November 04, 2008, 12:59:03 pm »
Yep, but they're gonna make great fence posts real shortly! ;D :D :D  I'll take the beetle kills first, then fill out my needs with live ones.  I plan on cutting some of them later this week, so I'll get a ring count and we'll see how they've performed

I have a pretty good example of contrasts on hand.  A bunch of seeds blew across the road a few years back, and I left some of the trees so the horses would have some shade.  Those trees are only about 7 years old, and are pushing 6"dbh, but I need to prune them.  I'm planning to remove a few of them too, so we should get a good comparison.
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Re: Establishing a New Pine Plantation
« Reply #23 on: November 04, 2008, 06:09:09 pm »
Some applied research is in order here Dr. Dang!  I await the results of your study ;D.
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Re: Establishing a New Pine Plantation
« Reply #24 on: November 04, 2008, 06:36:40 pm »
I'll get right on it! ;D :D  It should be interesting since I'm pretty sure all the seeds came from the same big tree.  The babes in the woods are 3-4 inches dbh and 60-70 feet tall, and the open grown ones are 5-7 inches and 20-25 feet tall.  The ring count should tell the tale, eh?

Your project is makin' me think I otter start a tree nursery. ;D ;)  The North side of my place borders on a nice Loblolly stand for about 1000 feet.  Every year, little pines come up along that strip about 50' wide, thicker'n hair on a dog's back.  I bet if I harrowed it up good and laid down a layer of pine straw, I could sell a half-million trees a year!
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Re: Establishing a New Pine Plantation
« Reply #25 on: November 04, 2008, 07:10:27 pm »
4" and 70 feet, they'll make great pole vault sticks.  :D

Pre-commercial thinning pays off. :)

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Re: Establishing a New Pine Plantation
« Reply #26 on: November 04, 2008, 08:26:44 pm »
Dang don't like them to get much bigger than his waist line. Now if you was to go over to Tom's place or mine for that matter we grow them a little bigger. ;D
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Re: Establishing a New Pine Plantation
« Reply #27 on: November 20, 2008, 12:51:12 pm »
Perhaps with all that 'stimulus' that Obama is talking about creating ( also known as borrowing in some countries), maybe we can hire some 'Re-Forestation Experts to go onto private land and plant trees.  There are millions of acres of unused, fallow pasture land that is laying idle.  The government ought to do more to get that land producing something, if nothing else, a better view.

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Re: Establishing a New Pine Plantation
« Reply #28 on: November 20, 2008, 06:09:58 pm »
What is Pitch x Lobolly Pine (Pinus rigida x Pinus taeda)?  Is it worth giving them a try in northwest Arkansas?  Gotta get my order in soon for bare root seedlins.  My expectations are not to fund my retirement...just leave this pile of rocks in better condition than when I found it.
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Re: Establishing a New Pine Plantation
« Reply #29 on: November 20, 2008, 07:29:40 pm »
I am not familiar with the Pitch/Loblolly cross.  Do people plant shortleaf in that area of Arkansas?
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Re: Establishing a New Pine Plantation
« Reply #30 on: November 20, 2008, 10:06:52 pm »


Where can I get me one of them there fancy rippin' shanks?  ;D

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Re: Establishing a New Pine Plantation
« Reply #31 on: November 21, 2008, 10:47:13 am »
Do people plant shortleaf in that area of Arkansas?

There planted here but I don't know if for production or not.  I know little about pine.

Brian, I've never seen a commercially made single.  There easy to make...the hard part is finding a coulter...watch the farm sales.  I made one for use in a tree planter and two more nearly exact copies of customsawyer for the same use...and also to root prune in crop fields.

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Re: Establishing a New Pine Plantation
« Reply #32 on: November 21, 2008, 12:27:18 pm »
Larry, not sure what that cross is, but, in my early days in southern Missouri, it was all short leaf.  That is, what was left after the '30's ,  much of it has been replanted and coming on strong.
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Re: Establishing a New Pine Plantation
« Reply #33 on: November 22, 2008, 05:22:25 am »
That there fancy ripping shank was made in my shop after I got done busting the store bought ones all to bits. ;D
You have to have a backwoods degree to come up with that thing.
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Re: Establishing a New Pine Plantation
« Reply #34 on: November 22, 2008, 08:39:23 pm »
That there fancy ripping shank was made in my shop after I got done busting the store bought ones all to bits. ;D
You have to have a backwoods degree to come up with that thing.

I think I could sell those things like hotcakes if you ever went into producing them. How much did it cost you to put together?

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Re: Establishing a New Pine Plantation
« Reply #35 on: November 22, 2008, 08:43:52 pm »
That there fancy ripping shank was made in my shop after I got done busting the store bought ones all to bits. ;D
You have to have a backwoods degree to come up with that thing.

In some instances out there, there have never been truer words spoken.  ;)

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Re: Establishing a New Pine Plantation
« Reply #36 on: November 22, 2008, 10:26:21 pm »
I can say with experience that it works good ;D

Customsawyer said that parts of that pasture was harder than carbide woodpecker lips :).
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Re: Establishing a New Pine Plantation
« Reply #37 on: January 29, 2009, 08:25:11 pm »
Hurray!

The little trees are in the ground!

 



 




Customsawyer's crew did a fine job.  I got the trees from the state nursery.  They cost $52 per thousand or about a nickel per tree. 

I had 1500 trees left over.  Anyone want to come to Perry, GA and get some loblolly pine seedlings?
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Re: Establishing a New Pine Plantation
« Reply #38 on: January 29, 2009, 08:33:39 pm »
So how many $52 dollar bills did you spend? ;D
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Re: Establishing a New Pine Plantation
« Reply #39 on: January 29, 2009, 08:35:18 pm »
That's some mighty straight lines.
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