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Started by Dale Hatfield, November 24, 2007, 12:16:11 PM

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Dale Hatfield

I have been carving ice now for some time. Usually in acontest type setting.
I have been to cheap to buy a Japanese hand saw made for ice.
Im more intrested in the process of making my own verses spending the cash.
With old hand saws being everywhere at flea markets and yard sales.
Could i recut a tooth profile and have made my own .Are the teeth hardened in anyway on a hand saw?
Does this hardening extend up towards the back of the blade?
If i recut tooth profile will the new profile be weak ?
thanks for the help with my many questions.

Dale
Game Of Logging trainer,  College instructor of logging/Tree Care
Chainsaw Carver

Daren

Dale, check out this thread. https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=27792.0

I am going to tell on myself here. I have made a "Japanese" saw before on accident  ::), I had not had the retoother out for a long time and I was in a hurry and put the saw in backwards...backwards teeth  :D. I just turned it around and cut new ones  ;). Until now no one even knew, oh well.

No the teeth are not hardened on a good old saw, the steel is hard...trust me.
Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it.

Dale Hatfield

Daren
Thanks for the brief reading lesson. Could i cut the tooth profile that i want with a grinder or a cutting disk.
I have found these files to be extremely sharp and about all i use.
http://www.saveedge.com/
http://www.chainsawsculptors.com/save_edge/index.htm
Game Of Logging trainer,  College instructor of logging/Tree Care
Chainsaw Carver

Daren

Quote from: Dale Hatfield on November 24, 2007, 06:31:31 PM
Could i cut the tooth profile that i want with a grinder or a cutting disk.

I dunno, maybe you could  ???. Dremel with a diamond disk.



I personally think that could be a toughy, not impossible...but very labor intense and easy to goof up. If I where cutting wood, forget about it. I reckon ice is more forgiving but why cut a saw that makes you work harder than a well toothed/set/sharpened saw ?

For my $ I would just take/send it to a pro and for $8-$10 (?) let them cut perfect teeth on, if you wanted to try to set/sharpen them you could. There again I would just let them do that too. How much do these Japanese ice saw cost?

Can you post a picture/link of one of these saws that is made for ice? If it looks fun I will make one as a project.
Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it.

getoverit


Here is a link Japanese saws I use them all the time and they are about the handiest thing in my shop
I'm a lumberjack and I'm ok, I work all night and sleep all day

Dale Hatfield

darren
I just lloked at getoverit posted site an ice saw can cost up to 7 times as much as a wood saw.
here is a link to ice saws
http://www.icecrafters.com/shop/browsestore.asp?CategoryID=92
Game Of Logging trainer,  College instructor of logging/Tree Care
Chainsaw Carver

Daren

Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it.

Dale Hatfield

I would agree.I Have a few old prunning saws laying around and i will give them a go on the 8th of next month.
I think thast a deeper tooth/gullet would be better tin removing the ice.
Not sure just a thought.
Dale
Game Of Logging trainer,  College instructor of logging/Tree Care
Chainsaw Carver

low_48

Seems to me a Stihl "handsaw" would be the way to go. :D Seriously, the profile on a Japanese saw is very complicated. Maybe one of the new Stanley tool box saws would work for you. They cut on the push, but have the aggressive Japanese tooth profile.

I suspect that a rip tooth profile would also take a better bite. Just thinking out loud.

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