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Started by medic1289, November 11, 2007, 11:18:30 PM

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medic1289

So, I'm building this barn which i'm siding w/ rough sawn oak. I'm thinking of using a... um recycled petroleum product as a preservative/protectant. OK,  used motor oil. Would this not work like a store-bought, (read $$$) semi- transparent stain?

To be fair this is not un-tried by me, I have a small outbuilding i built about ten years ago and used this "product". It has a nice deep brown color that could probably use recoating now.

The grass still grows right up to the treated walls, my chickens only have one head, etc.
Should i worry about poisoning my environment? I know if i lived on the left coast it would be known i have cancer just from applying it ;).

Has anyone had any long term experience with this product?  I mean like 30 -40 years worth? I'm pleased with it's 10 year performance on the chicken coop.

Opinions please, am I being innovative?....cheap?.....or just stoopid? :-\

thanks, sy

woodmills1

uncle larrys walnut stain

5 gal diesel
1/2 gal boiled linseed oil
1/2 gal unfibered roofing tar (more or less for desired color)

works well, lasts long, roll or spray
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TexasTimbers

woodmills have you ever used this concoction and do you have soime pictures? i only ask because I have seen alot of homemade recipes online but I have never seen pictures especially after a year or two. I would like to see some because I would love to find one or two that I would not be afraid to use.

Of course I could always do some tests I am prone to that. :)

i have been using McCloskeys Clear base from Walmart at $15 a gallon but still alot cheaper than the specialy stuff reccomended at $30-$40 gal!  It's made by Valspar so it ain't junk. Still, a gallon of diesel and 1/2 BLO and 1/2 tar is alot cheaper than $15 I am always interested in finding better solutions.
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woodmills1

 


here ya go,  I have used this on 2 different buildings.  The first is over 10 years old and just beginning to fade

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TexasTimbers

Man that is fantastic to get that kind of longevity - it still looks great. Thanks for the pics I am a believer.
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medic1289

Woodmills1, From the pics your finish is holding up as well as mine, (color is VERY similar!)
So, again, does anyone see any problem with using free waste oil as an exterior finish?
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Don_Papenburg

Dead dinos are great protectors.    Just don't tell the state or us epa what you used . That would  triger a hazmat team response and they would have to cart it off to a special land fill ( Your local land fill)with a very high price tag.  Then they would drill ground water monitering wells all around the site .   That is the only problem I can see with it .
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Handy Andy

  I pulled a recipe out of a magazine one time, had paint thinner, boiled linseed oil, and about a cup of hot parafin mixed together.  Was clear, just kind of a sealer.  The linseed oil is a great preservative, and the parafin is a sealer.  My dad used to coat the wood truck bed floor with used motor oil, it is still there in the old 66 chevy.
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Roxie

We've used it on the barn, and haywagons and well as lubricating the elevator.  If you have "green" concerns, just take the angle that you are recyling. 

I used the fancy expensive stuff on the deck of my house, and the wood is dry and cracked, and it's gonna get a pressure wash, and a nice bath in used petroleum product.

Say when

ohsoloco

I'll have to get some pictures of my new house siding.  I sided it with white pine board and batten, and used woodmills' walnut stain.  Turned out great, and was real easy on the wallet, especially since I used over 25 gallons of the stuff  ;D

Beweller

Add about 1/2 - 1 lb of parafine wax to woodmills formula.  The wax makes the finish water repellant.

you can use diesel oil, kerosene or mineral spirits as the carrier, depending on how fast you want it to dry, and how long you want the odor to last.

This is very like the old Forest Products Lab stain.  But that used pentaclorophenol, which you can no longer buy.
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brdmkr

I went with a store-bought stain/sealer (Behr).  It was steep :o.

I had thought about some sort of diesel treatment and then decided that the local inspector might not like it.  Now, I am beginning to wonder if the store-bought stuff is any better on the environment.  It is petroleum based too.  I think if I was doing it over, I would use something like the mix mentioned above.
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ohsoloco

If you were to add wax to Uncle Larry's Walnut Stain, I assume you'd warm the wax up first, but would it stay dissolved in the stain?  I guess anchorseal would be out of the question since it's water based  ???

woodbowl

Quote from: ohsoloco on November 15, 2007, 10:26:12 PM
If you were to add wax to Uncle Larry's Walnut Stain, I assume you'd warm the wax up first, but would it stay dissolved in the stain? 

I use a shaved wax finish on some of my bowls. All I do is scrape a block of wax with the edge of a knife and drop the shavings into a bottle of mineral oil. In a day or two it disolves, no heat necessary. I never tried it with diesel, but it seems like it would.
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sharp edge

Like the looks of uncle larrys stain. I would add powered graphite ( $3.00 # from a farm store ) and deck sealer ( $9.00 a gal. ). Graphite to help keep the sun out and deck sealer to help keep the rain out.

I use the graphite ( 1 teaspoon to gal. of water ) for glass cleaner and use deck sealer (1/4 cup to qt. of minaral sprits ) for car wax. Like both of them better than anything you can buy.


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Dale Hatfield

I have a address somewhere that you can buy a powder that ya could add to the mixx . Its the same thing added to outdoor finishes that makes them block UV rays.
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ohsoloco

Picture of my siding project I did on my house this summer.  White pine board and batten with Uncle Larry's Walnut Stain  :)


woodmills1

man uncle larry would be proud, your place looks good.  Nice job
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ohsoloco

Thanks woodmills  :)  Many thanks to you as well for sharing the recipie.  That saved me a TON of cash in the stain department  8)

junkyard

  my neighbor built some log buildings about sixty years ago. The logs were sinkers from the log drives. He used kerosine old motor oil and tar not sure of the proportions. Oscar has been gone thirty some years now and the buildings are still there, none of the logs show any rot and the dark color is still there, it is starting to fade.       
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Cutting Edge

Quote from: woodmills1 on November 12, 2007, 07:54:32 AM
uncle larrys walnut stain

5 gal diesel
1/2 gal boiled linseed oil
1/2 gal unfibered roofing tar (more or less for desired color)

works well, lasts long, roll or spray

Quote from: woodbowl on November 15, 2007, 11:20:01 PM
Quote from: ohsoloco on November 15, 2007, 10:26:12 PM
If you were to add wax to Uncle Larry's Walnut Stain, I assume you'd warm the wax up first, but would it stay dissolved in the stain? 

I use a shaved wax finish on some of my bowls. All I do is scrape a block of wax with the edge of a knife and drop the shavings into a bottle of mineral oil. In a day or two it disolves, no heat necessary. I never tried it with diesel, but it seems like it would.

Quote from: sharp edge on November 16, 2007, 10:52:17 AM
Like the looks of uncle larrys stain. I would add powered graphite ( $3.00 # from a farm store ) and deck sealer ( $9.00 a gal. ). Graphite to help keep the sun out and deck sealer to help keep the rain out.

I use the graphite ( 1 teaspoon to gal. of water ) for glass cleaner and use deck sealer (1/4 cup to qt. of minaral sprits ) for car wax. Like both of them better than anything you can buy.


uncle lloyd


Hello All,

I resurrected this old thread (1) because with the huge price increase in wood treatments and (2) to get the thoughts of others and possible variations or "special" blends others may have tried and improved the original recipe.

The "mix" sounds very effective, especially the reply/input of adding dissolved wax for waterproofing and graphite for UV protection.  Any thoughts of a substitute for the diesel fuel as the carrier, say: acetone, lacquer thinner, etc.?? ...something with a faster flash and MUCH lower odor with little to no lingering smell??

Sounds like the insects wouldn't care to bother wood treated with this as well!!  spidey-smiley  musteat_1  steve_smiley
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beenthere

QuoteAny thoughts of a substitute for the diesel fuel as the carrier

Mineral spirits.
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WmFritz

I may try that recipe with the mineral spirits for a deer blind I just built from some red pine I sawed up. I think the smell from fuel oil or diesel fuel would be a bit too strong to be around all day. Even then,  I think I should wait till after deer season to treat with the mineral spirits solution.
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brendonv

Just posting so i dont lose the thread.


Good ideas here.  Ive been paying 33 a gallon for a benjamin moore product t finish the boards for my barn and house.  Paint cost more than the wood did.
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Cutting Edge

Mineral sprits would indeed be a decent carrier, but even the "low odor" spirits I have used, can still pack a heavy punch for quite a bit of time after application.

I just wonder if using a thinner with a fast flash would actually reduce the long term benefit of the mix since something like diesel or kerosene would help the oils penetrate much deeper into the wood...like good penetrating oil on a rusty bolt.

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