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Economical wood finish?
« on: November 11, 2007, 11:18:30 pm »
So, I'm building this barn which i'm siding w/ rough sawn oak. I'm thinking of using a... um recycled petroleum product as a preservative/protectant. OK,  used motor oil. Would this not work like a store-bought, (read $$$) semi- transparent stain?

To be fair this is not un-tried by me, I have a small outbuilding i built about ten years ago and used this "product". It has a nice deep brown color that could probably use recoating now.

The grass still grows right up to the treated walls, my chickens only have one head, etc.
Should i worry about poisoning my environment? I know if i lived on the left coast it would be known i have cancer just from applying it ;).

Has anyone had any long term experience with this product?  I mean like 30 -40 years worth? I'm pleased with it's 10 year performance on the chicken coop.

Opinions please, am I being innovative?....cheap?.....or just stoopid? :-\

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Re: Economical wood finish?
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2007, 07:54:32 am »
uncle larrys walnut stain

5 gal diesel
1/2 gal boiled linseed oil
1/2 gal unfibered roofing tar (more or less for desired color)

works well, lasts long, roll or spray
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Re: Economical wood finish?
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2007, 09:44:14 am »
woodmills have you ever used this concoction and do you have soime pictures? i only ask because I have seen alot of homemade recipes online but I have never seen pictures especially after a year or two. I would like to see some because I would love to find one or two that I would not be afraid to use.

Of course I could always do some tests I am prone to that. :)

i have been using McCloskeys Clear base from Walmart at $15 a gallon but still alot cheaper than the specialy stuff reccomended at $30-$40 gal!  It's made by Valspar so it ain't junk. Still, a gallon of diesel and 1/2 BLO and 1/2 tar is alot cheaper than $15 I am always interested in finding better solutions.
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Re: Economical wood finish?
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2007, 08:24:59 am »
 


here ya go,  I have used this on 2 different buildings.  The first is over 10 years old and just beginning to fade

 
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Re: Economical wood finish?
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2007, 10:48:27 am »
Man that is fantastic to get that kind of longevity - it still looks great. Thanks for the pics I am a believer.
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Re: Economical wood finish?
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2007, 03:56:45 pm »
Woodmills1, From the pics your finish is holding up as well as mine, (color is VERY similar!)
So, again, does anyone see any problem with using free waste oil as an exterior finish?
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« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2007, 11:15:43 pm »
Dead dinos are great protectors.    Just don't tell the state or us epa what you used . That would  triger a hazmat team response and they would have to cart it off to a special land fill ( Your local land fill)with a very high price tag.  Then they would drill ground water monitering wells all around the site .   That is the only problem I can see with it .
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Re: Economical wood finish?
« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2007, 08:11:55 am »
  I pulled a recipe out of a magazine one time, had paint thinner, boiled linseed oil, and about a cup of hot parafin mixed together.  Was clear, just kind of a sealer.  The linseed oil is a great preservative, and the parafin is a sealer.  My dad used to coat the wood truck bed floor with used motor oil, it is still there in the old 66 chevy.
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Re: Economical wood finish?
« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2007, 10:25:52 am »
We've used it on the barn, and haywagons and well as lubricating the elevator.  If you have "green" concerns, just take the angle that you are recyling. 

I used the fancy expensive stuff on the deck of my house, and the wood is dry and cracked, and it's gonna get a pressure wash, and a nice bath in used petroleum product.

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« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2007, 07:54:46 pm »
I'll have to get some pictures of my new house siding.  I sided it with white pine board and batten, and used woodmills' walnut stain.  Turned out great, and was real easy on the wallet, especially since I used over 25 gallons of the stuff  ;D

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Re: Economical wood finish?
« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2007, 09:45:35 pm »
Add about 1/2 - 1 lb of parafine wax to woodmills formula.  The wax makes the finish water repellant.

you can use diesel oil, kerosene or mineral spirits as the carrier, depending on how fast you want it to dry, and how long you want the odor to last.

This is very like the old Forest Products Lab stain.  But that used pentaclorophenol, which you can no longer buy.
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« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2007, 10:43:04 pm »
I went with a store-bought stain/sealer (Behr).  It was steep :o.

I had thought about some sort of diesel treatment and then decided that the local inspector might not like it.  Now, I am beginning to wonder if the store-bought stuff is any better on the environment.  It is petroleum based too.  I think if I was doing it over, I would use something like the mix mentioned above.
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« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2007, 10:26:12 pm »
If you were to add wax to Uncle Larry's Walnut Stain, I assume you'd warm the wax up first, but would it stay dissolved in the stain?  I guess anchorseal would be out of the question since it's water based  ???

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Re: Economical wood finish?
« Reply #13 on: November 15, 2007, 11:20:01 pm »
If you were to add wax to Uncle Larry's Walnut Stain, I assume you'd warm the wax up first, but would it stay dissolved in the stain? 

I use a shaved wax finish on some of my bowls. All I do is scrape a block of wax with the edge of a knife and drop the shavings into a bottle of mineral oil. In a day or two it disolves, no heat necessary. I never tried it with diesel, but it seems like it would.
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Re: Economical wood finish?
« Reply #14 on: November 16, 2007, 10:52:17 am »
Like the looks of uncle larrys stain. I would add powered graphite ( $3.00 # from a farm store ) and deck sealer ( $9.00 a gal. ). Graphite to help keep the sun out and deck sealer to help keep the rain out.

I use the graphite ( 1 teaspoon to gal. of water ) for glass cleaner and use deck sealer (1/4 cup to qt. of minaral sprits ) for car wax. Like both of them better than anything you can buy.


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« Reply #15 on: November 16, 2007, 08:36:19 pm »
I have a address somewhere that you can buy a powder that ya could add to the mixx . Its the same thing added to outdoor finishes that makes them block UV rays.
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« Reply #16 on: November 22, 2007, 02:00:05 pm »
Picture of my siding project I did on my house this summer.  White pine board and batten with Uncle Larry's Walnut Stain  :)


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Re: Economical wood finish?
« Reply #17 on: November 22, 2007, 06:35:06 pm »
man uncle larry would be proud, your place looks good.  Nice job
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« Reply #18 on: November 23, 2007, 12:25:56 pm »
Thanks woodmills  :)  Many thanks to you as well for sharing the recipie.  That saved me a TON of cash in the stain department  8)

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« Reply #19 on: November 23, 2007, 06:20:55 pm »
  my neighbor built some log buildings about sixty years ago. The logs were sinkers from the log drives. He used kerosine old motor oil and tar not sure of the proportions. Oscar has been gone thirty some years now and the buildings are still there, none of the logs show any rot and the dark color is still there, it is starting to fade.       
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« Reply #20 on: September 12, 2013, 07:11:52 am »
uncle larrys walnut stain

5 gal diesel
1/2 gal boiled linseed oil
1/2 gal unfibered roofing tar (more or less for desired color)

works well, lasts long, roll or spray

If you were to add wax to Uncle Larry's Walnut Stain, I assume you'd warm the wax up first, but would it stay dissolved in the stain? 

I use a shaved wax finish on some of my bowls. All I do is scrape a block of wax with the edge of a knife and drop the shavings into a bottle of mineral oil. In a day or two it disolves, no heat necessary. I never tried it with diesel, but it seems like it would.

Like the looks of uncle larrys stain. I would add powered graphite ( $3.00 # from a farm store ) and deck sealer ( $9.00 a gal. ). Graphite to help keep the sun out and deck sealer to help keep the rain out.

I use the graphite ( 1 teaspoon to gal. of water ) for glass cleaner and use deck sealer (1/4 cup to qt. of minaral sprits ) for car wax. Like both of them better than anything you can buy.


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I resurrected this old thread (1) because with the huge price increase in wood treatments and (2) to get the thoughts of others and possible variations or "special" blends others may have tried and improved the original recipe.

The "mix" sounds very effective, especially the reply/input of adding dissolved wax for waterproofing and graphite for UV protection.  Any thoughts of a substitute for the diesel fuel as the carrier, say: acetone, lacquer thinner, etc.?? ...something with a faster flash and MUCH lower odor with little to no lingering smell??

Sounds like the insects wouldn't care to bother wood treated with this as well!!  spidey-smiley  musteat_1  steve_smiley
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« Reply #22 on: September 12, 2013, 01:59:10 pm »
I may try that recipe with the mineral spirits for a deer blind I just built from some red pine I sawed up. I think the smell from fuel oil or diesel fuel would be a bit too strong to be around all day. Even then,  I think I should wait till after deer season to treat with the mineral spirits solution.
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« Reply #23 on: September 12, 2013, 07:07:02 pm »
Just posting so i dont lose the thread.


Good ideas here.  Ive been paying 33 a gallon for a benjamin moore product t finish the boards for my barn and house.  Paint cost more than the wood did.
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« Reply #24 on: September 12, 2013, 08:34:16 pm »
Mineral sprits would indeed be a decent carrier, but even the "low odor" spirits I have used, can still pack a heavy punch for quite a bit of time after application.

I just wonder if using a thinner with a fast flash would actually reduce the long term benefit of the mix since something like diesel or kerosene would help the oils penetrate much deeper into the wood...like good penetrating oil on a rusty bolt.

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« Reply #25 on: September 15, 2013, 08:46:03 am »
For the Chemical experts, I wonder if mixing boron with burnt motor oil has any preservative advantage. 

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« Reply #26 on: September 15, 2013, 11:08:58 am »
  Since the walnut stain is mostly diesel I wonder if the red (off road) diesel would make much difference, might be nice.
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« Reply #27 on: April 16, 2017, 09:07:47 pm »
Hello,
I am new to this forum. I have a new 300 feet long - 8 feet high wood fence that I need to preserve. I think I would like to use "Uncle Larry's" stain.
Should I use tar or used motor oil?
Got any idea how much of the mixture I will need to cover both sides of the fence?
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« Reply #28 on: April 17, 2017, 05:30:54 am »
I'm with the diesel and roofing tar... This was done around 17 years ago.

 

 

 

 
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« Reply #29 on: April 17, 2017, 09:02:17 am »
oh ok. It looks as if the tar gives a black look and the motor oil looks brown.

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« Reply #30 on: April 17, 2017, 09:25:07 am »
The roof tar and diesel looks just like what you get from fence black. Tractor Supply has it for $33 for 5 gal. Only thing is they say its acrylic lacquer then they say its oil based and that it cleans up with water. I've got some old fence black thats looks and acts like tar now, I plan to mix with some diesel a paint the sides of my utility trailer.
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Another question...
My fence is 6 moths old and red mud from digging the post holes has splashed up on the bottom of the wood when it rains. Do I have to wash/rinse this off to have a clean surface before I apply the stain mixture? Since it's 300' long , it's far away from the water spout?? :-\

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« Reply #32 on: April 17, 2017, 12:03:54 pm »
How long before the smell went away?

I'm with the diesel and roofing tar... This was done around 17 years ago.

 

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« Reply #33 on: April 17, 2017, 12:54:21 pm »
Another question...
My fence is 6 moths old and red mud from digging the post holes has splashed up on the bottom of the wood when it rains. Do I have to wash/rinse this off to have a clean surface before I apply the stain mixture? Since it's 300' long , it's far away from the water spout?? :-\

At the very least, I'd say try to brush the dirt off.  Are you planning to spray or brush/roll on the stain?

Has anyone used this as an interior finish?  Seems like the smell would never go away.
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« Reply #34 on: April 17, 2017, 03:01:06 pm »
How long before the smell went away?

I'm with the diesel and roofing tar... This was done around 17 years ago.

 

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Soaked right in... The smell went away in about 2 weeks.
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