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Offline Neil_B

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« on: April 11, 2003, 03:21:44 pm »
Did you guys receive an ownership with your mills so you could plate it for portable work? I was supposed to receive one with mine but still haven't to date. Been 2 months since I got the mill.
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Re: mill ownership
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2003, 03:37:54 pm »
The serial # on the motor is all that you need in Canada to register and plate your mill. If you change motors you have to re-register your mill. Now that's what I.C.B.C. told me but I would check with the locals in Ont. We register our sleds the same way aswell and come to think of it my boat was done the same way to.

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« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2003, 03:48:24 pm »
Woodmizer sent the paperwork along, but I couldn't register my mill.  It seems that Minnesota classes sawmills the same as manure spreaders, at least that was how the lady at the license center explained it.  No license required or allowed.
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Re: mill ownership
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2003, 03:55:20 pm »
I'll have to check that out Steve. I had paperwork but the offices here couldn't do anything with it so I sent it back to BC. Yeah, that's something else HE was supposed to take care of.
M_B, I hope that's not a comparison to WM.
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Re: mill ownership
« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2003, 04:14:12 pm »
I don't think that is any comparison at all, as it applies to all sawmills, not just the orange ones. :D
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« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2003, 04:42:10 pm »
After talking to several people at PennDOT, I still didn't have an answer to whether or not I had to license my mill here in PA.  I called another portable sawyer not too far from me, and he told me (at least for PA) that if the mill was not given a VIN#, then you didn't have to get it licensed...he said that WoodMizer put VIN#'s on their mills (I don't know if this is true or not).   So I haven't had mine tagged...and have yet to get pulled over  ::)

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« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2003, 04:56:27 pm »
The highway patrol probably doiesn't know either, so thy're playing it safe.  If you get pulled over for speeding or something, then they will find out. :o
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« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2003, 05:00:16 pm »
I'm usually too tired to speed at the end of a full day of sawing  ;)

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« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2003, 05:02:32 pm »
 :D :D :D
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Re: mill ownership
« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2003, 05:10:55 pm »
In Michigan You don't have to plate a designated tool trailer, the woods guys don't have to plate the slasher trucks or total tree chippers. My guess is the portable mills are waived too. I'll have to do some checking.
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Re: mill ownership
« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2003, 05:12:17 pm »
I contacted the Sec of state here in Mich and asked the same question...funny thing is...they didnt know :D soooo I ask if it was considered a piece of farm equiptmet did it have to...she said no...our chipper and stumper are NOT required to have plates here ALTHOUGH MOST do get them...mostly to keep the state boys form pulling them over....I figured once I get my mill Ill not plates on  it UNTIL I get pulled over ( not for speeding) and run it by the officer ;D...once that happens Ill post the experience... :D

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Re: mill ownership
« Reply #11 on: April 11, 2003, 05:13:54 pm »
 ;D OPPS..I didnt see Jeff B's post soooooooo Ill let him do further checking....Thanks Jeff... ;D

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Re: mill ownership
« Reply #12 on: April 11, 2003, 05:18:50 pm »
My way of checking will be to ask a couple of mill owners. Hey, your members map tree is not on Livonia!? Its more like Wolverine.
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« Reply #13 on: April 11, 2003, 05:20:25 pm »
You guys are very lucky! Here in B.C if I was to plate the mill it would cost me $1200.00 per year!! That's more then it costs to plate my van to pull the thing. :D
 Sure am glad that I don't have wheels!

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« Reply #14 on: April 11, 2003, 05:35:37 pm »
$1200 a year  :o   How much is vehicle registration?  My truck is registered as a 3/4 ton, and that only runs $85 a year, and my 7000lb. trailer is only $12 a year

AtLast is waaay off, Livonia is in central PA   :D

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« Reply #15 on: April 11, 2003, 05:48:40 pm »
  Registration is included in the price of insurance, do you still have to insure your truck on top of the 85?
 My buddy Gord has a new truck and he pays $4200.00 a year! Now that's a killer!

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« Reply #16 on: April 11, 2003, 06:47:13 pm »
I pay an additional $500 a year for full coverage  ;D

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Re: mill ownership
« Reply #17 on: April 11, 2003, 07:58:02 pm »
I can't say about other states or provinces but in Indiana the plates are for the trailer only.  I told the BMV when I got my plates that the only part of the mill that was considered a trailer were the axle and tongue which bolt on.  I received a title and plates for the trailer portion of the mill.  If I would have said the whole mill was being plated I would have had to pay sales tax on the entire purchase price of the mill.  There is a big difference between 6% of $300 or $400 and 6% of $30,000 or $40,000.  Its worth checking into.

The liability insurance for the mill is covered by the tow vehicles insurance the same as any other trailer.  This is just for driving purposes not for liability on and around the mill when you are sawing.

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Re: mill ownership
« Reply #18 on: April 11, 2003, 08:07:10 pm »
Here in Iowa, we have to register and plate the "trailer", cost is $10. The "power equipment" bolted to the "trailer" is exempt. 8)


Insurance for the trailer comes from the pull vehicle, and insurance is required on all motorized vehicles.

Our 1993 LT40HD has been stationary for 7 years, pulled the axle out and stored it, but have a current plate on the saw just in case.

You never know when some guy  might have 100K' of logs next to a pole with 3 phase ;D
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Re: mill ownership
« Reply #19 on: April 11, 2003, 09:11:01 pm »
I registered my mills, got a title and tag andpaid sales tax.   Had to do it for the entire cost of the mills.  Florida found out about the portable mills coming into the state and contacted us. Now you talk about an eye opener!  We were threatened with audits if we didn't immediately tend to the matter.  They had all the numbers.  Seems that the manufacturers had applied to do business in Florida and had to have an audit to do it.  Florida found a lot of names in the manufacturers files and we all got letters.  I paid big bucks for two mills.

My tag is for the unit though.  If I didn't buy a tag every year I would be responsible for tangible taxes for the mills. That's expensive.  I had those laid on me for tractors for about 3 years and don't want to do that again. That was applied at a millage rate that was costing me about $800-$1200 per tractor.
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