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Started by Tom, March 25, 2003, 06:09:29 PM

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Tom

I keep getting junk mail at the rate of about two an hour and if I could get my hands on the jerk that is sending this stuff to me would yank him, bodily, through the phone line, thrash him about the head and shoulders severely and stick him chin deep in the city waste purification pool.

I don't need their Viagra or 10,000 copies of Norton Anti-Virus or to borrow money or buy smoker insurance or term life insurance or computer printer ink or get rid of cellulite or buy a phony Doctorate or copy CD's or refinance my house or buy something to put in my Septic tank or buy something to help me move heavy furniture or a Cable TV descrambler nor do I believe they can increase my life expectancy by 50 years or any of a myriad of other trash letter promises that fill my in box regularly.  They don't even use words...just a string of characters to fill the page.

What kind of 'low life scuz' does it take to trash someone's incoming like this.  Is there some retribution?  How do you trace these guys?  Is violence acceptable? >:(

Jeff

A word on this.

Ya know the little link on the bottom of these that say "Un-subscribe"?  DONT! Most junk mail is sent by programs that send millions of emails to auto generated address's  they love domain names that use a default address where anything@yourname.com will go to a default box.

What happens when you un-subscribe?  You have just let these bumbs know that you have a legitimate, live, active email! You will now usually get 10 fold the emails.

Only un-subscribe to emails that you KNOW you subscribed to.

Another tip, have several address's!  If you are getting infor from a website, or subscribing to a newsletter (other then ours :)) or giving out an address to other then friends or family, it should be a disposable address. One that if it starts getting to much junk you can get rid of it and get another one for junk but still maintain your personal address.

Some things you should never do? Don't reply to all! It pisses me off when I get an email with a joke and 100 email address's in that I don't even know.  Do you guys know that most emails that have some sort of warning in them, like "INTERNET IS GOING TO START CHARGING 6 CENTS FOR EVERY EMAIL! SEND THIS TO EVERY ONE YOU KNOW! are actually, mostly, started by spammers? From the original encoding they can set a program up that gets a copy of every email address that the original email generates. Don't fall into it. If an email says send to everybody you know, there is something wrong.

There is something coming down the pike that should help. email standards and protocol are soon going to change. Right now a spam machine can send out hundreds of thousands of emails from a fictitious address. The new email protocol, once initiated, will send a blip back to the sender, if the sender is not a valid address, the email dies. THis should help a lot.
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Ezekiel 22:30

EZ

Hi Tom,
I myself get alot of the bull-crap that you mention. But I've come to the conclusion that these low life people do this to get under peoples skin. And it sounds like it working for you. ;D
Sorry Tom, I just had to say that, hope you get a laugh out of it. I know what you mean, they are a pain in the butt.
EZ

Weekend_Sawyer

Your phone, your mailbox and yoru email. It burns me up.

 I do not have a phone line in my most humble abode, I may have mentioned that I live in a trailer behind the barn. But everywhere I go peoples phones are ringing constantly with soliciters.

 Dad used to get mad at the amound of junk mail he had to dispose of, now he sais his phone rings all day and half the time no one is there. Apparently the phone soliciters call multiple numbers and take the first answer hanging up on the rest.

As a joke a "friend" of mine signed up for more information on bunches of different products using my email. I had to dump that email account.

 Now they would not be doing this if it did not work. What I want to know is WHO is buying junk from these people.

Arrrrrrrrrgh, Did I mention that it makes me mad!
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Tom

I look forward to some regulation but violence is still attractive.  What is this about the email dieing? :D :D

Jeff

Here you go.
http://www.mindworkshop.com/alchemy/nospam.html

while there, check out the jump link at the bottom of the page and then 100 commandments. pretty funny.
Just call me the midget doctor.
Forestry Forum Founder and Chief Cook and Bottle Washer.

Commercial circle sawmill sawyer in a past life for 25yrs.
Ezekiel 22:30

Jeff

On a related note...

YiPPEE !! National do not call list is approved.

http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/edcams/donotcall/index.html
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Ezekiel 22:30

Bibbyman

I'm fast on the delete box.  Many times I start by hitting the "select all" and then un-selecting a few I want to keep.  Anything that starts with FW: goes to the trashcan.  Same way with stuff from people or places I don't know.  Even some I know who it's from and I know is just junk by the subject goes to the trashcan.

My e-mail provider has a pretty good junk mail and virus screen. Some times too good and will not let some things with attachments through.

I try not to go looking for trouble.  A few of the links that have been posted here on the Forestry Forum open up a blizzard of pop-ups and I wonder how much junk mail I get from them. Most of the business sites are pretty safe.  I try to avoid "recreational" sites and sites that offer free download, etc.

I have a good buddy that loves to surf the internet.  He has a system crash ever few months because he caught some virus.  I worked with him for 30 years and now he's retired.  I've tried to keep in touch through e-mail but all he returns is FW: junk mail.  I've finally stopped trying.
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Tom

We have that in Florida for the sum of $10.00 for the first year and $5.00 for each following year and it works.  I think that the proper way to have handled it would have been for everybody to be on the "don't call list" and then charge you if you wanted to be on it. :D  'Course the Guvmint's gotta think "Revenue" seein's how they can't make money they have to "take" it.

Bibbyman

I've been told our state sales our name and address and phone numbers to advertisers.  I once got some deal that looked like it came from Chrysler wanting me to sign up for an extended warrantee on our Dodge truck.  Even had the VIN number.  I called the dealer and they said they or Chrysler had nothing to do with it - that this company bought the list of names and such for our state DMV. >:(
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chet

Jeff you say don't unsubscribe, I usually hit block sender. Is that OK, or does that open me up to further problems too.
I am a true TREE HUGGER, if I didnt I would fall out!  chet the RETIRED arborist

Mark M

I use a program called MailWasher http://www.mailwasher.net/

With it you build a blacklist and a friends list and it will automatically delete those on the blacklist. Not only this but it send a bounce message saying your address is no good and many system will then delete you if your address bounces. You can also create filters that look for certain words in the subject or text and it also checks addresses against blacklist servers that keep track of spamming addresses. This will work with many email systems and Hotmail accounts. It won't work with our Microsoft exchange server at work, but it works great at home. List time I checked I have several thousand addresses on my black list.

Mark

WV_hillbilly

 I must be spoiled . My ISP must run some sort of filtering software or something cause I probably don't get but maybe 4 spams a month. I visit all over the web and still so few of them make it to me and I don't run a cookie cutter program.

 Now snailmail is a whole different ballgame.  I get at least 15 junkmails show up in the mail box weekly . Thats a waste of paper if you ask me. If I want or need a product or service I can usually find it on my own without too much trouble.
     After all I found this place all by myself :D

 I'm with the rest of you that waste of time and resources gets my dander up and there isn't much you can do about it. I think that is the most frustrating part . >:(
Hillbilly

Fla._Deadheader

I believe that "block sender" actually blocks anything that comes through THAT SERVER. Anyone else using the same server will be blocked also??
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Norm

We use an e-mail handler that sends a request back to the server that sent the mail, it asks for their MX records and if they don't get a reply back it won't accept the mail. This has cut down our junk mail by e-mail spoofers by about 75%, but the spammers just keep moving around and plenty of ISP's out there will allow them to use their networks. I'm not a big fan of regulation but how bout instead of me having to put my name on a do not call list having legislation that is you can't call or e-mail unless I put my name on a list that wants that crap.

leweee

we have to become more creative in fighting spam. SPAM the SPAMMERS.a little over a year ago Yahoo and Amazon were shut down by hackers who did just that.you need to fight DO..DO with DO..DO. LEWEEE :o :o :o
just another beaver with a chainsaw &  it's never so bad that it couldn't get worse.

ohsoloco

I had an email account through yahoo where most of my junk mail went.  If I was just surfing the net and someone needed my email address, I would give that one out.  It got to the point where I didn't get any legit. emails...just go in once and a while and clear the whole thing out.  Tried to do that a while back, and it said the account was closed.  Probably way over the memory limit.  

Don't know what it is, but I never get spam in my regular account...just from stuff I actually sign up for.  Perhaps my cable modem provider has filtering (I don't know, and don't care as long as I don't get spam...unless it's in the blue can  ;) )

I just heard on the news last night about the national do-not-call list.  PA already has one, and I don't get any phone solicitors anymore  :)  The telemarketers were saying that this do-not-call list violates their free speech.  Hmmm...if I were to call someone at the same time everyday and hang up when they answered it (b/c I decided to talk to someone else), wouldn't someone want to do something about it?  What gives someone else the right to do this just because they have something to sell?

Bibbyman

Our telemarketers have slowed down somewhat.  They must be honoring our request to take us off their list.  Although I did hear Mary get rough with someone from ATT the other evening after getting several calls from them after she told them to take her off their call list.  

However,  we have been getting calls from telemarketers that sound like English is their second language.  I suspect they are calling from the Dominican Republic or some where like that.  Don't know what laws can prevent this.
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DanG

The state doesn't sell the info, they give it away. >:(   They don't actually give it to them, but it is a matter of "public record" and is available for anybody to look at. There are people that make their living by retrieving all this personal "public" information, who then sell it to the advertisers. Any time you do anything that generates a public record, your personal info is there for ANYBODY to grab.
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biziedizie

When I get calls or e-mail from these idiots I tend to swear alot and scream at them. Haven't had a call in months now and that's just the way I like it!

   Steve

Tom

I'll have to try that. :D :D

swampwhiteoak

My favorite is when they ask "Is {whoever} home?", I say, "Sure, let me get him".  Then I set the phone down and wait for a minute or so, then say, "keep waiting, he'll be right here."  I keep it going until they hang up.  I figure that's a couple of minutes that they aren't harrassing someone else and just maybe they'll take me off their list. :D

Sadly the biggest mistake I've made with telemarketers was to give some money to disabled veterans over the phone.  They must have told all their buddies cause I get at least 2 calls a night. :-/

Ron Wenrich

Violation of the PA do not call list is a $10,000 fine.  A few have been hit with it, so they are enforcing it.  That is a revenue enhancer.

People that you have done business with can still call you, as can charities and political parties.  

One sure fire way to get rid of them is to agree to something, and let them send a bill - no credit card.  Then, when it comes, put it in the circular file.  I call it buyer's remorse.  They won't call again, and they will take you off the list, since you cost them money.
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