New LT50 out this week

[MartyParsons]

Wood-Mizer has just released the new LT50, Vertical Side supports to 15" high and the bi directional Log turner. This available in walk and command control. 51 hp Diesel and 25 hp Electric.

[Norwiscutter]

See this is why I stay up late at night and play on the computer. 8)

Can't wait to see it.

[Tom]

I've already been all over their website looking for it. 

[Norwiscutter]

It is up already?
Be back in a couple minutes.

[TexasTimbers]

I'm just now learning how to pronounce  "Ellllllllll - teeeeee - forrrrrrrrr - deeeeeee" And now you are throwing these really big words out this late at night.

[Norwiscutter]

Sorry Tom, thought you said it was up already, my fault.

Can't wait till it is.

[Bibbyman]

I went and looked too.  Didn't see anything on the WM Indy web site.

I heard a few rummors about some changes late (LT70 back supports and chain turner) last fall but nobody mentioned an LT50 model.

I did see something on the WM europe web site that gave us a hint of what's coming.  I was announced in Europe last fall!  It looks like an they put the LT40 head on an LT70 frame.

Here is the link.

New 'Super Hydraulic' bed for LT40 and LT70 Series    02.10.2006

[Robert Long]

Should I look to trade up to the new LT 50 or wait for Wood Mizer to come out with an LT 60? :D

Robert

[Hi-Country Orange]

   why not just trade straight on to the top (Lt-70)  8)   8)   8)

[TexasTimbers]

I may hold out for an LT41 I don't want to make such a drastic jump

[ShowMeSawyer]

I agree with Bibby, checked out the link a couple months ago and thought it wouldn't be long before an upgraded version of the LT40 would be available. Price will probably fall between the 40 Super and the LT70.

I wonder if WM is going to change the head design and the up/down colume like the LT70.....hummm.

The chain turner would be a nice option to have.

SMS

[Bibbyman]

Should I look to trade up to the new LT 50 or wait for Wood Mizer to come out with an LT 60? :D

Robert

If I remember right,  they already had and LT60.  It was the LT30 of the LT70 series.  They also had and LT80 but only had two that I know of in the US.  One was still setting in Indy last time I was there.  I was told the other was shipped to Africa.   I think they dropped the LT60 and LT80 versions.

[amberwood]

Saw it in December when i was down there....looks like everything you need..

DTR

[Bibbyman]

Saw it in December when i was down there....looks like everything you need..

DTR

It what?  The old LT80 in the bone yard or the new LT50?

[amberwood]

The LT50..was in the demo/training area 1/4 sawing on video...just picture an LT40 with a chain turner, pop up dogs rather than rotating, cable tray like LT70, hydraulics controls mounted right under the main accuset panel..at the right height, no more bending down to reach the levers!...

DTR

[ShowMeSawyer]

cable tray like LT70, hydraulics controls mounted right under the main accuset panel..at the right height, no more bending down to reach the levers!...

DTR

LT40 Super w/remote already has those options.....

I do know that the newer 40/70 series frames are identical, exceptions are the options.

SMS

[amberwood]

It was all shiny and new to me..going from 97 LT40 Super to 07 LT50 you can see the minor and major changes and improvements that come with time and use. Although at the same time they are so simliar.

DTR

[Bibbyman]

It was all shiny and new to me..going from 97 LT40 Super to 07 LT50 you can see the minor and major changes and improvements that come with time and use. Although at the same time they are so simliar.

DTR

Yea,  it's kind of fun to come across and early LT30 and compair it to newer models.  Yet those old mills are still out there cranking out lumber.

[Hi-Country Orange]

hi bibby,or any body else who could answer, where could a guy see pic's of the Lt-80 8)  8)

[pigman]

any body else who could answer, where could a guy see pic's of the Lt-80

Go to Bibbyman's photo gallery and look under shows.

[Robert Long]

Do these LT 50's take the same length bands as the other series WM makes?

Robert

[MartyParsons]

LT10 7 hp takes 144 "
LT70HDD62 takes 184"
all other Wood-Mizer mills  + the new LT50 are 158" length
Marty

[Bibbyman]

hi bibby,or any body else who could answer, where could a guy see pic's of the Lt-80 8)  8)

Here.  I'll save you the trip...











The LT80 was demoed at the 20'th Anniversary party in 2002. 

[Kevin_H.]

Ok We need some pics of this new LT 50, Still nothing on the website...

[Norwiscutter]

Why again doesn't woodmizer offer those(LT80) in the US? I bet they would sell alot of them.

[Bibbyman]

Why again doesn't woodmizer offer those(LT80) in the US? I bet they would sell alot of them.

Some people in WM don't think you need one.  When you ask for one they'll try to sell you a LT70 and a 6' extension. 

[Norwiscutter]

Of course I don't need one, but that might not stop me from buying one.  I bet alot of people would buy them just to have the biggest WM made.  I have been seeing alot of lt70's for sale recently on the Internet. Probably people buying equipment too big and expensive than they really need or can afford.

[Robert Long]

Norwiscutter;

Perhaps that's a question to put on the forum?

Robert

[GlennG]

LT 50 I found a picture  on a Czech website. Looks like a big mobile electric mill.

Really long link shortened by admin

GG

[Bibbyman]

LT 50 I found a picture  on a Czech website. Looks like a big mobile electric mill.

It well may be an LT50 but with the long bed and extra loading arm, axle, and bunks,  it's one of the long frames - 27' or so - not available in the US.

I've noted on the Poland site that they call their mills LT40S, LT40M, and LT40L.  I guess for short, medium and long.

Wood-Mizer Europe - LT40 series mills

P.S.  I've got rumors that new motor options are available in 2007.  I'm trying to find out more.   I may have to go up there.  :

[GlennG]

Hey, I also found some literature on the LT50  . Unfortunatley its in Russian :-[

http://www.woodmizer.com.by/010502.shtml

[Dave Shepard]

They need to offer a WM genset option to get that big cat diesel out of your face when you're sawing! ;D

[Warren]

Back in November or December, I posted a questuion to Woodmizer via their website regarding why the European "long" style mills (27-28 ft) are not available in the U.S.  Still waiting for a reply.  Would much rather have a portable 27 or 28 ft mill than a 20 ft mill with a non portable extension....

HINT, HINT  !

Warren

[Bibbyman]

I've got the feeling the major obstacle in marketing the longer mill is that it puts a strain on their production line. They probably don't have the fixtures to build the longer frame in the USA. (Just guessing). And putting a longer mill down their production lines would inhibit their ability to make the LT40 and LT70 mills. 

If you note, they don't even catalog the LT30 shorter mills any more.  I understand they would still build you one but they would rather build an LT40.

Where I worked at my "day job" for 33 years they built distribution transformers.  They built from small and simple high-volume units to very large custom designs.  Where the simple units would take hours at an assembly station, a big, complex unit may take days.  This difference in utilization of manufacturing resource was a major production problem. When sales were slow,  it made sense to build the larger, complex units.  When the factory was filled to capacity,  it was always easier to go for the volume of  simple units.

I know...  At the 25'th Anniversary party,  tell them you'd pay a $10,000 premium for a 27' mill.  If they get a 1,000 people to place orders,  I bet they'll find a way to make them.  ;)

[Norwiscutter]

Heck, we get that may people willing to pony up, I'll start maken them. Of course I would have to paint them green and put a FF logo on them.

[Robert Long]

Perhaps it's where we are but I seldom have to cut anything longer than 20Ft. with my portable mill, it would mean towing around an additional 8 Ft.

I would be more interested in the horse power, hydrolics, and features on an upgrade mill like the LT 50

Robert

[SawDust_Studios]

Hey, I also found some literature on the LT50  . Unfortunatley its in Russian :-[

http://www.woodmizer.com.by/010502.shtml

Well, I ran the page through bablefish and this is all that is on it.

Firm Wood -Mizer (pioneer in the region of strip saw-milling) demonstrates on the exhibition "Ligna Forestry and Wood Industries" are more than eight improvements in the mobile band saws, namely:

industrial band saw - largest of all machine tools Wood -Mizer today
the new sawing head
the elongated bed
the improved hydraulic clamps
new function - remote control the work of machine tool - plus Setworks for all electrical machine tools
trimmer Edger with the dual cutters
new engine on the diesel machine tools of series Super with hydraulics
the new technology of the production of band saws.

Machine tool LT50
Machine tool LT50 of the industrial type has large sawing head, long bed and new hydraulic clamps. LT50 are used the elongated band saws, since the diameters of pulleys are increased and, therefore, the period of life of saws will grow. In the construction of sawing head are used cermet blanking guides for the saws, that improve the work of saws with the saw-milling of heterogeneous material. Machine tool was designed as the highly productive model of the widespread in Europe machine tools LT40 Super with hydraulic drive for the load of logs.

Machine tool LT50 has the long bed, which makes it possible to saw logs with length to 8,5 m and with diameter of 91 cm, although on it it is possible to work and with the logs by the length of 6,4 m or 5,1 m. the long bed can have hydraulic sections or be supplied without them. Special axial axis is designed for the machine tools in the mobile version. The patented sawing head Wood -Mizer, located on the bracket, common for the majority of machine tools, in this case is equipped with the electric motor with a power of 18 kW or Diesel engine 38 hp the maximum width of the aperture between the rollers of saw it is 71 cm, which corresponds to a maximally sawn width of log.

New hydraulic tightening system attaches log in several places. Furthermore, it does not allow the bends of log with the appearance of internal stress of wood.

Remote control Remote Station and the electronic rule Setworks for all electric analogues
The new versions of the assembly of machine tools Wood -Mizer include the movable device of remote control Remote Station, which makes possible for operator to produce sawing without the close escort of carriage with the sawing head. Complete administration, including load and manipulations with the log, is produced on one panel. Panel works with the use of e80V of the electric motor, which appears standard for all electrical machine tools Wood -Mizer. The device of remote control of the operator is included Setworks, with the aid of which it is possible to automatically establish 4 versions of the thickness of cut. The new version Setworks also works from electric motor 380 v.

[Warren]

Bibby,

I understand the economics of building the "standard unit" if they are in a sold out condition.  However, It seems peculiar (to me) that they would offer a base model in the European market that is not available in their original U.S. home market area.  The two large international corporations I have worked for previously were both moving toward "global" models that were identical except for badging / labels, etc...  On a global basis is much more profitable than maintaining separate distinct brands / models for local/regional requirements.

I know you were just kidding about the $10K.  But I can't see that it would be so expensive for the European WM operations to put WM LTxx Long "knocked down" kits in a container for shipment and final assembly in the U.S. with U.S. labels and badging...  This is common practice in other industries.

But Hey !  I'll just put it on my Christmas list for Santa Claus !  Gotta go finish out an order.

Warren

[Bibbyman]

Wood-Mizer in the past few years has introduced the LT15, LT70, LT300, LT28, and LT10.  Each one of these they have made a commitment to support with trained service people and parts.  While the LT80 (and any long-bed models) would look like a logical variation of the standard product, there are a lot of differences.  You'd have to ask yourself what would be the break over point in units sold and in the field vs. the cost and effort to train and stock more parts.

Besides,  they have a lot more and different products in Europe besides the long bed.  I suspect it's because they have pretty much a wide open market over there in this type of sawmill.  I hear they do a lot of business in the old Soviet block countries.

[Bibbyman]

By the way...  Anyone going to the Southern Farm Show tomorrow? (Jan 31, 2007 - Feb 2) in Raleigh, NC.

I suspect it will be the first time the public will get to see the LT50.  If you're there, take pictures and report back.  Ok?

Southern Farm Show

[footer]

This might be a little off the wall here , but the subject of WM selling the Euro models here reminds me a little of this true life situation. I worked for 16 years for a  large American company that makes concrete culvert pipe and related products, which got bought out by a very large company that originated in Austrailia, and was globaly expanding. They were updating old plants and building new ones and decided to go with one particular batch plant made over seas made by Skako Corp. Now, Skako makes a very good product, and has some wonderful and knowledgeable people, and they did even open a US based operation in California, the reality of the situation is that the product was still built overseas and very limited number of parts are stocked in the US, which meant that we had to cary an enormous amount or spare parts. You just couldnt Next day ait parts from over seas.  It was not uncommon to wait for a month or more for parts. I asked them for a recomended spare parts list once and they sent me a list which was a brakedown of every part on the equipment. Now why didn't we just buy two of everything if thats what they wanted us to cary in spare parts
I don't know, but if the overseas models are truley produced over there with different parts and different specs, It could and probably would become a nitemare for them to try and sell and service those models over here and try and provide the customer support we have come to expect from them.  How would you like to be cutting an order for someone and have a part failure that caused you to shut down, and come to find that instead of next day air on the parts, you end up waiting a week or more for them. 

Just a little food for thought.

[sparks]

The LT50 you are finding on the web is a sawmill build in Poland. It is sold in Europe only. It is not the LT50 that will be released the 1st week of February. It should be on the web site late this week or early next week.  It is the same as an LT40 Super except it has the chain turner and the vertical side supports that you would find on an LT70. Other than those 2 changes and some cosmetic differences it is a Super mill. Here is a picture of the mill.

[Tom]

It's a concern that bears attention, but not a problem that is unsurpassable.

I've been dragging a 24' baker around for 7 Years now.  It's actually about 38' overall.  The leg sleeves on the back were a little long, but once shortened, I have had only few problems with catching the ground.

You do have to pay attention when traveling.  The "swing" of the back of a long mill must be considered in intersections and gates.  It does take more room.  You must be very aware of your surroundings  But it sure is nice, once set up, to be able to saw twenty foot long logs without worrying about the blade getting out of the cant.

I think Wood Mizer's rigid beam frame would fare better as a long mill than the flexible frame models.   Perhaps it is the "swing" that concerns them.

Not a stab at anybody, but perhaps, when you are selling more sawmills than you can make, you are able to build and sell what is comfortable.  When you are #2, you are trying to produce something different for which the market has asked. 

There are a lot of #2's out there right now. 

[Bibbyman]

Here is the picture converted to JPG and uploaded.

Why didn't they go all the way and use all the fetures of the LT70 frame - like moving the hydraulic box to mid-frame that would leave room for a real outfeed system?

[ronwood]

Tom,

In the Midwest we generally don't have many logs that need anything more than what we can cut with an LT40. I wonder if that is one of the reason  Woodmizer does not make a longer bed.

Ron

[Norwiscutter]

i would think that up north here and and out west, where there are alot of straight  long softwoods, the demand would be higher.  When I built my manual mill trailer, it was 30 ft long and could cut 26 foot.  There were times that it was nice to have.

[Tom]

We have some mediocre sized pine in the South too.

I think that all of the manufacturers are aware of the type and size of tree in their marketplace.  It may be that they aren't always aware of the requests their sawyers are asked.  Markets differ everywhere. 

Before Tyson pulled out of here, the Chicken Farmers would ask for the longest 1x4 you could produce.  They used many of them for roof lathe and generally would rather make them do for panelling or construction than saw heavier timbers.  A chicken farmer is quite creative when it comes to 1x4's.

I sawed many 20'-24' beams in the range of 3"x8", 4"x8", 4"x12" and 6"x12" for use in the rural style rustic homes and barns

The circle saws around here, built before my time, were usually capable of sawing 30'.  Some boasted of 50" and there were a few who would ask, "how long do your want it?"

I guess the reasons were because of the boat building industry here. Long timbers and boards were a need.  The type of building that was done, Balloon Frame Construction, also lent a need for longer lumber.

Today's building needs don't require the lengths that were once popular and specialty carpentry, like boats, has been replaced with fiber glass.

Still, the need is there, it's just that the consumer has modified his wants because of lack of availability.

[Bibbyman]

I guess the real question is how much need is there for a mobile mill that can saw longer than 20'? 

Wood-Mizer and many others have extensions, etc. that can saw long beams, etc.  But they are all somewhat stationary setups.

Seems a bit odd that they can sell them in Europe where, at least in my understanding, the streets and roads are narrower than in the USA.

[sparks]

One thing I forgot to mention is the board return table is mounted at the front of the mill. No more lugging it from the rear to the front. It is still removable if need be.   Thanks

[DR Buck]

Only 2 log stops?   How far apart are they?   What is the shortest log that can be clamped in them?   I assume this is the same for thr LT70?  I've never really looked close.

[ShowMeSawyer]

Only 2 log stops?   How far apart are they?   What is the shortest log that can be clamped in them?   I assume this is the same for thr LT70?  I've never really looked close.

I was going to ask that question too, glad you posted it.

My opinion is about the only thing the LT50 has going for it is the chain turner.

Did the LT50 get the 2nd power strip like the LT70 has? I have a 2nd power strip on my 40 Super and now can't do without it.

SMS

[Furby]

Why was a new model # needed in the first place?
Why couldn't these simply have been upgraded LT40's?
Are the 40's being discontinued?

[LeeB]

SMS, tell me a little more about the second power strip and how it helps please. LeeB ??? ???

[Bibbyman]

SMS, tell me a little more about the second power strip and how it helps please. LeeB ??? ???

They put a second power strip on the other end of the mill.  The biggest use is so you can unclamp the last board or cant and then use the dragback to push it off the mill without returning to the hitch end, unclamp and then go back down to drag it off.  Or you can unclamp at the far end of the mill and pull the last board board by hand.

[ShowMeSawyer]

Bibby is correct!

I like doing things the lazy way at times.  8)

SMS

[LeeB]

That's what I suspected and have thought it would be a good idea. I've only had the mizer a short while and am still learning the ins and outs of it. I'll have to say it is a heck of a lot better than the old manual mill I was running. Did you install the strip yourself as an ad on, or is it something your mill was already set up for? LeeB ???

[Bibbyman]

If you have a mill that's pretty new, you'll have a square hole about 1" across near the end of the frame on the outside.  You'll also have a series of holes about 1/4" dia. down the side to bolt the strip to the mill.  If that's the case,  you can probably just "plug and play" the new power strip.  If not,  I guess you'll have to cut holes.

Sparks can probably update you if you can or can't or what you're options are.

[LeeB]

The mill's a 98. Seems to me it wouldn't be too difficult fo do the holes and install another strip. LeeB

[ElectricAl]

If you click on the link that Sparks left for us, you may notice some subtle changes on the LT50.

I noticed that the round rail the head rolls on appears to be hollow ???

What else is slightly different?

[ShowMeSawyer]

I noticed that the round rail the head rolls on appears to be hollow ???

The rod ends have a hole drilled in them to accept an extension. Locating pins or dowels are inserted in the drilled holes in both the mill and the extension to "line up" the rails correctly......at least that is how its done on my mill.

LeeB, the additional power strip is "almost" a direct fit. A few mods have to be done for it to fit correctly. The strip I used was for a stock LT40 w/hyd. The strip that is stock on the end of the LT70 should be a direct bolt-on. Running the cable in the frame tube was the "fun" part of this mod.

SMS

[rbhunter]

The LT50 is on thier website but does not have price or anything yet. They may still be updating the website.

[Bibbyman]

If you click on the link that Sparks left for us, you may notice some subtle changes on the LT50.

What else is slightly different?

I did note that the marking scheme was somewhat different on the LT50. 
Also note the 25'th Anniversary logo on the drive belt shield.

[DR Buck]

The LT50 is on thier website but does not have price or anything yet.

Maybe it's free?   :


So...............what is the distance between the two vertical back stops?   

[sparks]

Answer to a few questions.
1 The rod the head travels on is not hollow. The tip is hollow about 1/2" for the dowel the lines up a bed section add on.

2 The LT50 has only one power strip for the hydraulics. A rear one could be added but you would have to run th cables external  because you would never feed them up the frame now that all the hydraulic hoses are in place. They are run during assembly of the LT70. I have not heard of anyone who has routed them thru the frame.

3 There are 2 manual side supports between the verticle ones with the same spacing as the LT40.   Thanks

[Bibbyman]

LeeB, the additional power strip is "almost" a direct fit. A few mods have to be done for it to fit correctly. The strip I used was for a stock LT40 w/hyd. The strip that is stock on the end of the LT70 should be a direct bolt-on. Running the cable in the frame tube was the "fun" part of this mod.
SMS

ShowMeSawyer says he'd done it but he's here in Missouri where we don't know we can't do something.  The LT50 would have at least one more set of hoses than a 40HD - needed to run the chain turner.

[DR Buck]

3 There are 2 manual side supports between the verticle ones with the same spacing as the LT40.

   Manual Backstops !         I'll never go back !


Bibby,   Looks like a new design challenge for you.   ;D ;D

[Bibbyman]

I don't know why they had to make them 15" high.  It just means I'd have to cut 4" off them as I've been remembering that 11" is as low as I can cut for 13 years.  :D

[LT40HDD51]

That Sparks guy is a genius, eh? He's blown my mind a few times myself  ;D

They make the supports that tall so you dont flip the log off with yer chain turner :D

[Bibbyman]

3 There are 2 manual side supports between the verticle ones with the same spacing as the LT40.

   Manual Backstops !         I'll never go back !


Bibby,   Looks like a new design challenge for you.   ;D ;D

They'll have to loan me one for about 6 months so I can figure out how to get-er-done.  ;)

[LT40HDD51]

I got a chance to run the LT300 at Indianapolis a couple years back, cut a couple nice red oak with it. The chain turner works well, but you have to watch out for the speed of it. Too high and too fast and you could flip the cant right over the supports :D The chain can also mark up a cant if you aren't careful... But it can turn backwards if you need...

   Manual Backstops !         I'll never go back !

The manual ones are in between the pop up ones, just like a regular hydraulic mill. Only used for short stuff....

[DR Buck]

The manual ones are in between the pop up ones, just like a regular hydraulic mill. Only used for short stuff....

Yea, I know.  I saw a lot of short stuff.  That's why I bought the backstop upgrade  from Wood-Mizer.
:D   If they hadn't come out with the production version I was going to build the version Bibby designed.   ;D

I don't understand why it's not standard on a super type mill.  Even if the manual flip-ups need to be replaced with vertical ones like on the ends.

[Dan_Shade]

when I bought my saw, it came with the bibby backstops, but they weren't installed.  shortly after that in a BS session with DR_Buck, he couldn't stress enough how I should make it top priority to install them.  HE WAS RIGHT!!!

if you are sawing 8 foot logs, those things are great.

I think I could get real used to a chain turner.

[Bibbyman]

I don't understand why it's not standard on a super type mill.  Even if the manual flip-ups need to be replaced with vertical ones like on the ends.

I thought they come standard on the Super and was a factory option on the standard HD.  Maybe I just seen some promotion package that was configured that way.

[Warren]

Any chance the chain turner will be offered as a retro upgrade for 40 Super's ?

[wwsjr]

All four on hyd came standard on my Super, I added the kit on the std HD I had before the Super.

[LT40HDD51]

I think all four side supports popping up at once (this is what were talkin about, right?) is still an option on the Super... I've got it in mine. Is that what you mean by Bibby backstops? 

Any chance the chain turner will be offered as a retro upgrade for 40 Super's ?

Good question...  SPARKS!! WHERE ARE YA!!!  ;D

[Bibbyman]

Any chance the chain turner will be offered as a retro upgrade for 40 Super's ?

Sparks probably won't be back with us until Monday.  I'll take a guess and say it won't because the mounting brackits for the turners are not the same and they are welded in.



Here is a chain turner on the LT70. I couldn't find a good picture of an arm turner on a LT40 but you know what they look like.

[Bibbyman]

By the way...  Anyone going to the Southern Farm Show tomorrow? (Jan 31, 2007 - Feb 2) in Raleigh, NC.

I suspect it will be the first time the public will get to see the LT50.  If you're there, take pictures and report back.  Ok?

Southern Farm Show

Anyone get to this show?  Was the LT50 there?  Where is the report?

[MartyParsons]

Do not think the WM team will build a Retro kit for the bi directional turner. but you never know. :-\ The operator box would need to be enlarged to handle the extra valve and there are some weld mounts that are not listed in the parts book because they are part of the frame. I know there are a lot of owners who could do this in their sleep,  ;) welding and fabricating so who knows.
The LT50 will be at the 1st 25 anniversary in Albemarle N. C. Saturday February 10th 2007 it will be at the Stanly County Agri Civic Center 26032-b Newt Road Albemarle, NC. You can register at the show. I think there are over 200 already registered  for the first celebration! Pennsylvania will be May 5th  8)
There is another New Wood-Mizer model LT--HDD51 going to be there. I will post the details Monday. They are not sure what to call it yet. They are not replacing the LT40Super just offering another feature.
The HSS kit is standard on all Super mills and a option on a Standard mill.
Marty

[LT40HDD51]

...They are not replacing the LT40Super just offering another feature...

I can almost guess... 

[MartyParsons]

Well back from NC today, Wood-Mizer had their 1st 25th celebration. They had the LT50HDD51-RA running at the show. Jeff and Scott Laskowski were there and they were asked if there would be a kit to retro the Supers to add the Bi Directional turner on. The answer was no because of welding to the frame.
   They also had the LT15 and the LT28 with the 25 hp gas engine, I ran the LT15 G15 with a 10" piece of Cedar, fed it as fast as possible and did not even hear the engine pull down. I was hoping to get to run the new 38 hp Kohler engine on the Super but it was not there.
They also had a few proto types, one was the trunion tool for the Lathe Mizer.
The other was the LT40HDD51 with Hydrastatic drive and Hydrastatic up down. I ran this also and it was fast going up and down as long as the engine was running at full speed. It was belt driven off the harmonic side of the engine the reservoir for the system is between the water bottle and the fuel tank.
     The seminars, music food and question and answer session with Jeff and Scott were a great addition.
I only ran into one FF member "Big Crack Lumber" I am sure there were others. Anyone else there?
The also had the Bio-Mizer saw dust burner there and in operation. Production should be at the Fall of 2007.
The next stop on the tour is Georgia. Pennsylvania is May 5th 
Marty

[big_sid]

Marty, could you give more info on the bio-mizer burner, did they have one in operation, how did it do, just tell all you seen and found out about it, I'm very interested in them. you can post or send me a pm or e- mail, it would be greatly appreciated.

[Bibbyman]

In case you've missed it on the Forum,  here are two threads that talk about the Wood-Mizer Bio-Mizer.

Tour of Wood-Mizer Research and Development Center – Madisonville, KY.

This one has pictures and talks about the prototypes.

Woodmizer Sawdust Burner . . . . .

This one has updated info....

[MartyParsons]

Bio Mizer Web Site www.biomizer.com
This site will not be up untill February 19 they are working on it this week.

[logwalker]

"Under Construction" Marty. Is it coming soon? Joe

[MartyParsons]

The Bio Mizer should be at Georga Wood-Mizer this Saturday 2/17. The site still says under construction.
We should have the first LT50 here in PA Friday.

[Warren]

I too am very interested in the Bio-Mizer.  But like everything else, need to understand the total cost...

Warren

[Kevin]

LT-15 with a 25hp is great news, that's plenty of power for this mill.

[LT40HDD51]

I was amazed once on a trip to the factory last spring, to see 25 hps on LT15s  . They have been selling them overseas for a while now, used in the countries with lots of cheap labor cutting lots of big timber...

[Don K]

I saw the demo bio-mizer at GA this weekend, nice piece of equip. LT 15 had a 28 hp motor on it and it should be a hoss. The only drawback over the 15 hp is that the head is much heavier and if you aren't careful it will get away from you. I would not want to crank it up and down all day. :(   But woodmizer has a fix for that. The LT 28 has a gear reduction on its head that makes cranking the 28hp head up and down very easy and I was told that it can be put on the LT 15 if you choose the 28hp option. Also saw the LT 50 in action, loved the vertical hyd. back supports but did not like the chain turner. If you use it to turn cants instead of the clamp you just wasted a board. :'(  Show was great and can't wait to go to MS this weekend.   Don

[wwsjr]

This is pic I took of Board Return platform pernamently mounted on the LT50. Unlike my LT40 Super, the platform does not have to be mover to rear of mill to transport. I am going to look at modification of mine to mount as in the pic. Darn thing is heavy to move. Pic is from the show at Perkinston, MS.


A view of the Hyd drives on up/down and feed.



Seat and Control Panel. Notice the feed lever on left and up/down on right.



Earl Smallwood from GA sawing on the mill with several interested onlookers at Perkinston.



Dave Mann, WM VP, said mill should be available maybe by late Apr 07.  Will not have Accuset available on present design. Manual scale is used as on other mills without Accuset. The speed and smooth operation is almost unreal. Smooth, steady and fast movement of feed and up/down.

[wwsjr]

I MADE A MISTAKE ;D ;D ;D

The last 3 pics on my previous post are not the LT50. The pics are of the new WM Hydrostatic Prototype !!!  I intended to start a new thread on prototype, posted to wrong reply.

[caveman]

Earl Smallwood from GA sawing on the mill with several interested onlookers at Perkinston.

I was looking through some old posts on the lt-50 today and came across a familiar face.  My friend Earl was running this mill in the demonstration over 14 years ago.  I suspect he repaired or trained several of you on your Wood-Mizers (I did not know him back then).  I've been trying to get him to come over and show us how to drive ours.  I pick up some useful tips every time I talk to him.

[Magicman]

And the previous two replies were made my our late dear FF Friend, Willie Steele, (wwsjr)

Here is a heart warming topic that some might find interesting:  LINK  I linked it about mid way after we arrived but the entire topic details a sawing venture that came from the heart.  Sadly two of the crew are now in Memoriam: wwsjr and Andy White.  Also due to his job, the recipient and his family have moved on to a different town.  Life changes.