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Started by Jeff, August 10, 2006, 11:19:57 PM

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Bill Gaiche

Say Jeff, How about an update on the Mountain Ash? bg

Jeff

It was dead the following spring. I have the trunk of the tree stuck up on the support beam in the little cabin at home.
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I am very impressed that you revived this 5 year old thread.  I would never have seen those pics without your interest.  Thanks.
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beenthere

Had 3 bald-faced hornet nests built here this year. Had forgotten about Jeff's experience with them.Very interesting.

Took pics of the closest nest being built and on looking up information, learned that only the queen hornet stings when the nest is disturbed, but is a relentless stinging machine. So the drones out collecting nest material (which they say is often woody fiber ) are apparently not the stinging type.
Pic of nest in this link

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Jeff

I've had people since, point out "sap sucker holes"  Since Tom and my up close and personal investigation, I now know better. the sap suckers are simply taking advantage of the hornet's fiber harvesting operation. :)
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SwampDonkey

I've seen it here, but at the time never made the connection before Jeff's thread. I often see the shrub dead with those markings in the dried bark. As I might have mentioned earlier we have a lot of mountain ash on softwood sites after cuts. And we also have a lot of white faced hornets every Aug-Sept on those sites that we thin. This year though, I got slapped by two nests of yellow jackets in the ground. But I also saw white faced nest to hanging, usually face level. ::) Never had them hit me though. With thinning you'll find every nest. ;)
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Magicman

OK, then is this the chicken/egg thing?


 
Are we saying that these holes in this Yellow Poplar could have been caused by hornets instead of sapsuckers?
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Jeff

That's not hornets. Hornets make squarish holes. Look at the pictures. Yours isn't near the same. I'd say certainly caused by a bird.
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Magicman

So FINALLY I know something about the "Birds and the Bees", and it is all about the mouth parts.  Peckers make round holes, and mandibles make square holes.  Gotcha.   :P  smiley_thumbsup
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SwampDonkey

MM, my guess is that someday you'll stumble upon a shrub or sapling that the hornets have been at for paper making. ;D
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Raider Bill

Quote from: Jeff on August 10, 2006, 11:19:57 PM
Tom and I ovserved some interesting behavior just outside of the cabin backdoor. A swarm of Bald Faced Hornets had been using one of our Mountain Ash trees as a source for pulp for making paper for thier nest. Its unreal what they have done to this tree and its really, at least to me, a work of art. If this tree eventually succombs to this behavior, I plan on getting it for some sort of project.  Below are some photos and also a link to a movie I made. I was right in with them. Something I would not usually do as most know that bald faced horntets stings are like getting hit with a ball bat, but this was just too cool and them honets were just too busy. :)
Hornets harvesting pulp for paper


Jeff, What plugin is needed for this vid?
Has anyone else come across anything quite like this?











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Jeff

I've updated the old topic with a youtube link.

http://youtu.be/UdYjjJL9iIw
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Magicman

Very interesting as well as educational.  Watching nature is always fascinating.   :)
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petefrom bearswamp

I always thought sapsuckers did this
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Magicman

Pete, look at Replies #31 & 32 comparing Sapsucker holes and Hornet holes.
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SwampDonkey

Haven't seen any white faced hornet nests this year. Stepped on a yellow jacket nest though. They let me know of their presence.  ;D
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Bricklayer51

I have a apple tree out back that looks exactly like that ash tree .I hope it does not kill it as it had enough apples this year for some apple bread and sauce.

Jeff

From what I have noticed since taking those photos on subsequent tree finds, it always seems that they pick a tree that has had some sort of trauma.  The mountain ash pictured, it had been shot with a rifle by one of my nephews and we had it staked and tied to try and save it as the trunk had such a hole and crack in it. The last few trees I found up to the cabin looked like they had big freeze cracks in them where the trunk was split open.  Maybe take a look at your apple tree and see if you see any prior issues. It would be interesting to note.
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Bricklayer51

Looks like your dead on Jeff this tree has been clipped a couple of times by a snowplow and two or three years ago one of the bigger limbs broke off from to much weight.

SwampDonkey

Like Jeff said, and that's often the way many insects choose their "victims".  ;D
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