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Re: Making Paper
« Reply #20 on: August 21, 2006, 09:29:23 am »
Wow Boss.....those are some close pics.....did ya come through unscathed ??? ???
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Re: Making Paper
« Reply #21 on: August 21, 2006, 09:33:53 am »
I find alot of those mountain ash in old clear cuts. They seem to some back like pin cherry on some sites. Usually alot of softwood present on the sites. The tree sure is getting hammered by the white faced hornets. They do use wood fibre (obviously) to build their nests. I think their saliva binds the fibres. I remember something on 'Nature' about the process. I've got a yellow jacket nest in the woodpile to 'work around'.  ::)

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Re: Making Paper
« Reply #22 on: August 21, 2006, 09:41:18 am »
Yep, unscathed. Those hornets are so busy they don't seem to notice me. I just move slow and respect the fact that any second I could get my butt kicked.
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Re: Making Paper
« Reply #23 on: August 21, 2006, 11:04:37 pm »
I have those type of bees in my old barn I am fixing , dont see many of such dark color like that but I sat watching knowing about this thread and I watched them all crawl inside a 1/8 inch hole on a 6x6 50 year old post that holds the barn floor up. Got me a tube of black roofing glue and pumped it full in the hole and went about my business .  Last year my cousin was out checking his cows and flipped a old rotten log out of his way and he got covered by these darker colored bees and barely made it home alive .

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Re: Making Paper
« Reply #24 on: August 22, 2006, 12:56:22 am »
Jeff, it's easier to see the nest in the Fall when the leaves are off the trees.  I used to be amazed at the number of hornets nests I would see when I was out in the duck blind in the backwaters of the Mississippi River.  Almost all the hornet's nests I've seen have been hanging from tree limbs. I've seen them as low as about 6 feet off the ground and as high as about 25 feet up in a tree. But once I had a huge hornets nest under my deck stairs hanging under one of the steps about 6 feet off the ground. One year, as I sat in my duck blind, I counted 8 huge hornets nest off in front of me in the woods. Yep, Fall will be the best time for finding that nest.

One Fall, when I lived in Stewartville, Minnesota, I looked out the kitchen window to see a huge hornet nest in the maple tree. It had been hidden by the leaves. I waited until January when the hornets were all sleeping...... ::) .......I took the nest down and tore the paper shell away from it.  Inside are several flat disk stacked on each other with a spindle between them. Kind of like a high rise apartment. Each disk has a couiple of rows of holes around the rim where the eggs are layed. It's quite interesting.  :P

 
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Re: Making Paper
« Reply #25 on: November 15, 2012, 09:48:38 pm »
Say Jeff, How about an update on the Mountain Ash? bg

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Re: Making Paper
« Reply #26 on: November 16, 2012, 09:29:07 am »
It was dead the following spring. I have the trunk of the tree stuck up on the support beam in the little cabin at home.
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Re: Making Paper
« Reply #27 on: November 16, 2012, 09:44:03 am »
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I am very impressed that you revived this 5 year old thread.  I would never have seen those pics without your interest.  Thanks.
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Re: Making Paper
« Reply #28 on: November 16, 2012, 11:08:33 am »
Had 3 bald-faced hornet nests built here this year. Had forgotten about Jeff's experience with them.Very interesting.

Took pics of the closest nest being built and on looking up information, learned that only the queen hornet stings when the nest is disturbed, but is a relentless stinging machine. So the drones out collecting nest material (which they say is often woody fiber ) are apparently not the stinging type.
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Re: Making Paper
« Reply #29 on: November 16, 2012, 11:30:22 am »
I've had people since, point out "sap sucker holes"  Since Tom and my up close and personal investigation, I now know better. the sap suckers are simply taking advantage of the hornet's fiber harvesting operation. :)
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Re: Making Paper
« Reply #30 on: November 16, 2012, 01:41:37 pm »
I've seen it here, but at the time never made the connection before Jeff's thread. I often see the shrub dead with those markings in the dried bark. As I might have mentioned earlier we have a lot of mountain ash on softwood sites after cuts. And we also have a lot of white faced hornets every Aug-Sept on those sites that we thin. This year though, I got slapped by two nests of yellow jackets in the ground. But I also saw white faced nest to hanging, usually face level. ::) Never had them hit me though. With thinning you'll find every nest. ;)

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Re: Making Paper
« Reply #31 on: November 18, 2012, 05:44:32 pm »
OK, then is this the chicken/egg thing?
 

 
Are we saying that these holes in this Yellow Poplar could have been caused by hornets instead of sapsuckers?
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Re: Making Paper
« Reply #32 on: November 18, 2012, 06:03:54 pm »
That's not hornets. Hornets make squarish holes. Look at the pictures. Yours isn't near the same. I'd say certainly caused by a bird.
 
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Re: Making Paper
« Reply #33 on: November 18, 2012, 07:52:52 pm »
So FINALLY I know something about the "Birds and the Bees", and it is all about the mouth parts.  Peckers make round holes, and mandibles make square holes.  Gotcha.   :P  smiley_thumbsup
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Re: Making Paper
« Reply #34 on: November 19, 2012, 04:14:08 am »
MM, my guess is that someday you'll stumble upon a shrub or sapling that the hornets have been at for paper making. ;D

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Re: Making Paper
« Reply #35 on: September 02, 2015, 09:38:29 am »
Quote from: Jeff on August 10, 2006, 11:19:57 pm
Tom and I ovserved some interesting behavior just outside of the cabin backdoor. A swarm of Bald Faced Hornets had been using one of our Mountain Ash trees as a source for pulp for making paper for thier nest. Its unreal what they have done to this tree and its really, at least to me, a work of art. If this tree eventually succombs to this behavior, I plan on getting it for some sort of project.  Below are some photos and also a link to a movie I made. I was right in with them. Something I would not usually do as most know that bald faced horntets stings are like getting hit with a ball bat, but this was just too cool and them honets were just too busy. :)
Quote from: Jeff on August 10, 2006, 11:19:57 pm
Tom and I ovserved some interesting behavior just outside of the cabin backdoor. A swarm of Bald Faced Hornets had been using one of our Mountain Ash trees as a source for pulp for making paper for thier nest. Its unreal what they have done to this tree and its really, at least to me, a work of art. If this tree eventually succombs to this behavior, I plan on getting it for some sort of project.  Below are some photos and also a link to a movie I made. I was right in with them. Something I would not usually do as most know that bald faced horntets stings are like getting hit with a ball bat, but this was just too cool and them honets were just too busy. :)



Jeff, What plugin is needed for this vid?
Has anyone else come across anything quite like this?

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Re: Making Paper
« Reply #36 on: September 02, 2015, 10:35:17 am »
I've updated the old topic with a youtube link.

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« Reply #37 on: September 02, 2015, 11:12:46 am »
Very interesting as well as educational.  Watching nature is always fascinating.   :)
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« Reply #38 on: September 02, 2015, 05:07:50 pm »
I always thought sapsuckers did this
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« Reply #39 on: September 02, 2015, 05:24:16 pm »
Pete, look at Replies #31 & 32 comparing Sapsucker holes and Hornet holes.
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