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bedway

hi folks, been following this forum for quite a while and totally enjoy the discussions and information shareing. figured i better join instead of lurking :D anywho,,heres my problem. i have a small woodworking business and have been a woodworker for some 30 years. i have the property and the timber to justify a mill.  im not intending to cut volumes, just for myself and some friends. nows where i need your help in good sound reasons to convince the wife i need a mill. the last time i i went this route was to get a kubota, and she still thinks i got that as a necessity,,little does she know ;D. this is gonna take some team work, and im sure you people are up to the task.          thanks in advance and ill be waiting for all your replys.

bedway

Tom

Sometimes you don't need a reason to get something.  We forget that sometimes.  We scrape and skimp through life trying to find the justification to do or get things we want and, many times, never do because we are justifying it with the wrong criteria.

You can justify things according to need, but you can also justify it according to want.   I have a truck that I bought new in '93.  I needed a truck.  I didn't need that truck.  It is a Chevrolet Kodiak C60 with a Cat 3116 and a 16 foot bed.  I love my truck. ;D   I could have gotten a one ton.  But you know what?  I wanted this one.

When people ask me "why do you have a big old truck like that?"  I reply "Because I wanted it".  See, they're thinking I should be doing local hauling to make money with it every day.  I'm thinking that I can put everything I need for the saw business on it, stretch out in the cab (with its AC and Radio), hook the sawmill to the back and play trucker.  Yep, I could haul lumber or logs if I need to.  It just makes me feel so rich to have everything at my finger tips.

I bought a fountain pen once that made me realize I could do what I wanted.  It was a Mont Blanc that I saw in a jewelry store in New York City.  It's an El Grande Meisterstück 149 (resin and gold) and is a double handful.   I love fountain pens.  My Granddaddy told me once that the only thing that would outlive us is our signature.  Because of that, we should work on having a legible and distinctive one.  I used to practice a lot.  When I saw this pen, it just looked like something that was needed to sign mortgages, contracts and things with.    $$$$!  Yes, it was big bucks.  That was what stopped me at first.  Then, the next Christmas, I was moping around the office thinking of this pen and decided "who are you trying to impress?".  I picked up the phone and ordered the pen. 

Banks and car salesmen hate to see me come, now.  All their paper work (I hate it that they make customers sign all that stuff) is made with carbon-less paper that they have maticulously arranged in a stack so that you can sign it with a ball-point and they can get on to more important things.  Well, my signature is important to me.   I reach to my front shirt pocket and retrieve my Meisterstück 149 with the flair of Ed Norton and begin to sign their papers, one at a time, disassembling the stack as I go.  What a look of Chagrin crosses the face of the salesman when he realizes that he is going to be there a while.  ::)

When asked why I did such a stupid thing as to buy that pen when a pencil or 50¢ ball point would do the same job, my answer is "because I wanted it.".  ;D

As I get older, I realize that I have wants the same as everyone else.  Why am I always the one to skimp and save so that I can give someone else what they want?  Yeah, you have to be careful that you don't become selfish and only consider yourself.  But, there are some things you will never have if you don't go get it yourself.  What is the justification?   "I wanted it."

Now, which sawmill were you considering?  :P :D

Stephen1

That is by far the best description I have heard, because it is so true. When I told the missus that I wanted a sawmill after I finnished the cabin she agreed, just like that. She had seen me out in the yard with the chainsaw mill getting little bits of lumber out of lots of work.
I am considering the norwood because they are 8 miles away from my sugar bush, just trying to decide weather I need hydraulics.
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Radar67

Tom, that was spoken like a true poet, oh how true you are. I've spent way too much time justifying things, time that could have been spent enjoying the use of the item.  ;)

Welcome to the forum bedway!

Stew
"A man's time is the most valuable gift he can give another." TOM

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This will kill you, that will kill you, heck...life will kill you, but you got to live it!

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bedway

well guys i just came in from my shop to check for replys nd have some lunch. first off,, the wife didnt make it home for lunch so i got to eat what i want. im setting here working on some left over taters and steak, covered with some fried eggs.,,, ya got to get that cholesterol up where it needs to be :D  tom,,some excellent points in your reply. the first obstacle i need to overcome is i mistakenly told the wife how hard i work fetchin logs firewood etc.,,i gotta quit that fibbin. her comment is how in the world do you expect to saw logs on a mill when you talked about how tired you got  working on firewood,,,,,,,,,,,does this fall into that,,(open mouth insert foot category)? ive been watching for a used mill. went an auction a few weeks ago prepared to bid up to 2000.00 for a used woodmiser. some dingaling city slicker came in and ran the bid up to 6500.00. from what i can tell the mill would sell in the 7000.00 neighborhood new. some people just got more money than sence.. i should a known he was driveing one one them hum vee thingys. well the tataers, eggs and steak are gone so i guess i better get back out for now.  i really appreciate the replys guys,,keep em comeing,,,and yes, if a man speaks in the forest and a womans not around to hear him hes still wrong,,,,,,,,,or so ive been told! ;D                   bedway

twoodward15

Tom, you mind if I copy that and hang it on my fridge??
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WH_Conley

The exercise from sawing will help get rid of that meal. :D

Didn't work for me, I just ate more, but I'm the healthiest fat person you ever saw. ;D
Bill

Cedarman

In one way that is the nice thing about a WM.  They just don't depreciate the way a car does.  Bedway, if you buy a really good used mill, it will still hold a great amount of value if you decide to sell when you upgrade.
I am in the pink when sawing cedar.

gary

Hi Bedway welcome to the forum. You could tell her that it is cheaper to buy a used mill than pay to have someone  come mill them for you.  how far so of erie are you? I am in sharon.
  Stephen you really will want the hydrualics.

tcsmpsi

Well, let's see...already familiar with woodworking, have property and trees
....hmmmm....woodworking/trees/wood...yep, no doubt of it.  How could one possibly NOT have a mill?
And, already have a Kubota?  
All the justification is clear and present.

And...what Tom said.  

Some things are just a matter of Life.   ;)

\\\"In the end, it is a moral question as to whether man applies what he has learned or not.\\\" - C. Jung

thecfarm

You sure can saw your own wood alot cheaper off your own land than you can go buy it.This is why I have a mill.I'm still not done building,but I know the mill has paid for itself.Try to get as much labor savings options as you can.Mine is a all manual mill,but that is what I wanted.
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getoverit

Welcome to the forum bedway!

All this while I have been looking for a really good reason why I just bought my 3rd sawmill in the last 6 months..... I think I have the reason now that Tom has so plainly stated it ;D

Go for the hydraulics ! My last mill is a home made rig, but the FF member that made it really put a LOT of thought into it and it does everything except offbear the boards for you. Hydraulics is the way to go !
I'm a lumberjack and I'm ok, I work all night and sleep all day

PineNut

I am new to the forum also and I just went through a "can I justify it" also. If I put dollars to the test, the answer would be no.  But there comes a time in life when if you want to do something, then DO IT. I probably should have done it much earlier.

I bought a Cooks saw MP-32 back in the winter to clean up the Katrina wood and it is helping to keep me young. But with 175 acres of woodland, it should stay active cleaning up the culls.

I have enjoyed reading the forum and have obtained a lot of information that has helped me make decisions on what to look for in a mill and support equipment. Also a lot information on treatment for bugs and we have a lot of those critters here in southwest Mississippi.

getoverit

Welcome to the forum PineNut!
I'm a lumberjack and I'm ok, I work all night and sleep all day

UNCLEBUCK

I want a fountain pen  smiley_scholar  . I remember watching Laurel & Hardy alot and watching the fountain pens go off in Jimmy Finlaysons face  :D    All sawmills are good  ;D
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Faron

My brother and I went to visit a mill before we bought one.  The old boy running the mill looked at us and said "You two are a couple of big boys (six foot and 250+), but you still ain't big enough that you don't need a hydraulic mill!"   We bought a hydraulic mill, and think he gave us some real good advice, 11 years later.
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner.  Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote. - Ben Franklin

Raphael

I've been flipping cants bare handed and/or with a cant hook for four years now.
I've spent at least 18 of those ~48 months with at least one sprained wrist if not two.

You Need Hydraulics!
... he was middle aged,
and the truth hit him like a man with no parachute.
--Godley & Creme

Stihl 066, MS 362 C-M & 24+ feet of Logosol M7 mill

Shawn

Welcome to the forum Bedway.

Amen to Tom!!! Get what you want, because you only live once! No sense laying on our death bed regreating what we should have done. If you have the means, DO IT!!! I am a woodworker as well and can say that my soon-to-be-completed mill will save me a lot of cabbage for years to come. Just remember the old saying about teaching a man to fish! Sorry about all the cliches.

Shawn...
Change is part of the design process.

Admit nothing, Deny everything, Make counter-accusations

Don K

Welcome to the Forum bedway and Pinenut.
Lucky to own a WM LT40HDD35, blessed to have a wife that encouraged me to buy it.     Now that\'s true love!
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LeeB

I been running a little manuel mill for 5 years now. It has served my purposes quite well. I bought it to help out with my woodworking hobby costs. Now my real hobby is cutting wood. I'll be moving up next to Arky pretty soon and told my wife I was thinking I might want to get a new and bigger mill. Lucky me, she just said no doubt about it, a bigger better is a must. ;D LeeB
'98 LT40HDD/Lombardini, Case 580L, Cat D4C, JD 3032 tractor, JD 5410 tractor, Husky 346, 372 and 562XP's. Stihl MS180 and MS361, 1998 and 2006 3/4 Ton 5.9 Cummins 4x4's, 1989 Dodge D100 w/ 318, and a 1966 Chevy C60 w/ dump bed.

timcosby

welcome and you don't need hydraulics.
i have the ground higher on one side of my mill and drag the logs to there and roll them with a cant hook onto the bed. it almost rolls itself on, some i can roll on with my foot.



high side is on the left.
now if i was trying to lift them up a foot or two onto the mill.... that would be another story. hydraulics would be nice to have but you can add later. i bought a norwood lumberlite 24 with a 6.5 hp new for $3000 including shipping. it does everything you and i would need because we are not cutting to make money selling lumber. you can cut so much lumber you will run out of room to stack it too! figure up how much oak or what ever from the big box store it would take to cost $3000. bet you could cut that much in a month sawing in the evenings, poof mill paid for itself!!! i just got a new 13 hp honda clone engine off of ebay for $210 i intend to swap the engines out and use the 6.5 for an edger or hydraulics.... not that you need hydraulics it would just be nice (luxury) to have.
1. sawmill
2. cant hook
3. anchoreseal
4. cut lots of stickers
5. read all you can on drying

Rancher

Amen Tom,
   My wife spends about $1000. on flowers every summer. Why? Because she wants them. You can't enjoy them when you're gone. Can't argue with sound logic.
If you're honest you don't have to trust your memory.

Todd

Bedway...welcome!  Get whatever mill YOU think works best for you, and your brain will rationalize the rest ;)

Tom...great post. So many people today NEED a new car and the finest what-not, but I have a sense the people on this forum are old school and tend to make do or have to justify everything.  I know I've been bitter about not having things and trying to "be responsible" while those around me aren't; and your post made me think maybe I do have to lighten up and indulge more often.  (spoken on Saturday after I already gave the wife my check to put in the bank....maybe next week ::) )
Making somthing idiot-proof only leads to the creation of bigger idiots!

jpgreen

Quote from: Tom on June 30, 2006, 11:52:04 AMI reach to my front shirt pocket and retrieve my Meisterstück 149 with the flair of Ed Norton ...

;D................... :D :D :D
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brdmkr

Welcome to the forum, but watch out for the sawmill.  I used to consider myself a hobbiest woodworker.  Now that I have a mill I collect lumber 8)  I just seem to saw, sticker, and dry.  I really haven't done much with the lumber.  I enjoy cutting it more than building with it.  Of course, that is about to change.  Really, it is.
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joelmar10

Hope your discussion goes better than mine!   My wife wants to see a business plan...... ::)
I used to think I could fix DanG near anything...now I know I can...or I think I can...or maybe I can?

bedway

well, heres the latest. wife saw me on here and read the whole thread. she says theres two sides to every story, of which this is her side. she starts reciteing a list of things that need done around the house, of which of course she notes havent been completed. gawd, i had to stop her at around #43,,,geez, did she have this stuff memorized? i need to mention at this point that a couple years ago this same senerio was played when i decided i needed a kubota. one day out of the clear blue, she said, if ya want it,,,(GET IT). this is my second wife,and combined ive been married to a woman near 40 years. i consider myself to be a fairly intelligent fella but my gosh i cant figure woman out. ;D on a serious note, one of her real concerns is that her father was a logger and was killed by a widow maker. any time im in the woods, especially alone, shes worried to death. this is actually my first real participation in one these forums and it really amazes me. ya throw out a  question or an idea and all these perspectives and imput come back. its kinda like a big think tank, only were not all in the same room. do ya think shes useing this mill as leverage to get things done around the house,,duh! ya GOTTA love em!

Radar67

How many of those things she wants done require wood?  ;)

Stew
"A man's time is the most valuable gift he can give another." TOM

If he can cling to his Blackberry, I can cling to my guns... Me

This will kill you, that will kill you, heck...life will kill you, but you got to live it!

"The man who can comprehend the why, can create the how." SFC J

tcsmpsi

There are always projects, and there always will be.  One never gets all the projects done.

I, also, am in my 'second stage' (and emphatically, the last, according to my darlin' little significant other) of marriage.  Judge relates to her from time to time after he has seen me, that obviously things are going well, for I am still alive.  ;D

Now, what worked for me, is that I had to go into overtime and work on some of those projects, with notable intent and conviction...and inspiration from which gathering a sawmill provided.

\\\"In the end, it is a moral question as to whether man applies what he has learned or not.\\\" - C. Jung

Cedarman

Bedway, if I was your wife, I'd make you give a lot of concessions to get this mill because once you have it her bargaining position won't be what it used to be. (As far as buying a mill is concerned)
I am in the pink when sawing cedar.

gary

Just go get one she will only be upset for a short time and you'll be out running the mill.

DanG

Ahhhh, you're gonna be ok, Bedway.  Ya just need to make a small down payment in project completions. ;) OR, just go ahead and get the mill.  Ya really can't hear anybody talkin' to ya when you're running it. ;D :D :D
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jkj

Quote from: bedway on July 03, 2006, 09:58:29 AM
...a list of things that need done around the house, of which of course she notes havent been completed. gawd, i had to stop her at around #43...do ya think shes useing this mill as leverage to get things done around the house,,duh! ya GOTTA love em!

Well, are you going to tackle the list or sit around and moan about it? ;D   Moving to a farm a few years ago with a house and property that had been neglected for years, I had a very similar list, probably longer than yours!   But in my case she had everything written down and prioritized.  I too got the Kubota right away (absolutely needed to even start on the property) and had a sawmill on my wish list. 

This is what I did: I tackled the projects with unstopable energy, starting at the top of the list.  She checked off each one when completed.  If the next project seemed too overwhelming for the moment, I skipped down the list and found a quick one to check off.  I continued to talk about the sawmill over the next two years but didn't press the issue.  SWMBO was floating on air at all the progress and sometime after the refinished floors, new kitchen, lighting, garage door opener, landscaping, and new entranceway, the sawmill was in place.   And the two years of extra time allowed me to easily save up the cash for the mill.

Another thing I did for continued harmony:  the first fruits of the sawmill went towards items on the eternal list, including new shelves for the walk-in closet from yellow poplar and new front steps cut from 4" thick white oak slabs.  Life is good for both of us.

BTW, a written list with a bunch of projects checked off is a real help, both a reminder of all that has been done, and an unspoken assurance progress will continue.  We add new projects to the bottom of the list - as someone mentioned, there will ALWAYS be projects!

JKJ, with 36th aniversary this past weekend
LT-15 for farm and fun

Max sawdust

Quote from: bedway on July 03, 2006, 09:58:29 AM
on a serious note, one of her real concerns is that her father was a logger and was killed by a widow maker. any time im in the woods, especially alone, shes worried to death.

Welcome to the forum,
Address her concern.  Use all safety equipment available study up on the OSHA stuff see link
http://www.osha-slc.gov/SLTC/etools/logging/mainpage.html
Take a Game of Logging course.  Be safe ;)

Having a Sawmill will keep you in the yard more than in the forest, cause you will be milling and stickering and processing lumber, all much safer activities than logging :D  What kind of logs are you going to process if it is mostly under 22" and you are milling for personal use with an occasional for hire job then a manual mill and a good cant hook may be all you need.  My suggestion is to start small see how you like it if you like it alot upgrade
8)

Max
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Cedar Products-Log & Timber Frame Building-Milling-Positive Impact Forestscaping-Cut to Order Lumber

jpgreen

Build her some beautiful slab patio furniture, so she can sip some lemonade and supervise... ;D
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Phorester


Tom, that's the justification I used when I bought my "new" used 1999 F150 a couple years ago.  Mint condition, 10,000 miles on a 4 year old truck. Didn't need it, already got a '77 F150, just wanted it. 

bedway

well,,me and the better half havent had more discussions  on a mill in the last few days. all the posts up to this point have been great food for thought. im tending to believe as tim stated, a small simple mill and a cant hook is the way to get started. now geting to that point is still a work in progress. the theory of working on her list of projects seems to be the avenue which will show the most rewards for yours truely :D. needless to say id love to have one of the big mills with hydrulics etc.,,,,but in reality,,i dont need that. at least not for now anyway. i seem to recall haveing these same feelings when i decided to get into woodworking,,,you know,,a few tools.. well years  and thousands of dollars later!!!!!!!!!! .  as has been stated so elequently by many of you this becomes an addiction,,woodworking and or sawing lumber.  its in my blood so bad that when someone goes to throw a piece of wood on the bonfire i have to measure it first and check the grain to see if i can use it for anything. :) i know im sick! i guess im not getting any progress done towards that list in here yaking away.. but trust me,,i will check back. i have found this forum to be an addiction also. :D

fat olde elf

Yes, the Forum is a positive addiction, just like sawing..... I was 65 when I got my Cooks mp-32.  Never had some much fun...............
Cook's MP-32 saw, MF-35, Several Husky Saws, Too Many Woodworking Tools, 4 PU's, Kind Wife.

Percy

What a good thread!

Bite off more than you can chew......and just chew it....... ;D
GOLDEN RULE : The guy with the gold, makes the rules.

red

Tom reply #1 is a Classic ! 
Honor the Fallen Thank the Living

wink

No sense being the richest guy in the cemetery just spend the money and get what you want.i tell myself and my wife that about every day.

DanMc

I had no idea that a thread could be this therapeutic, and this ramble will continue the therapy.  Sorry, I did not intend to write a book.  Just get the mill.   ::) :D :) 8)
 
At age 63, our 4 kids are grown and on their own, and two are building their own families.  Six years ago after being frustrated by having money sitting in an account that benefits only the bankers and doing nothing for me, I thought it might be good to put some into land instead.  We picked up 28 wooded acres with an off-grid house on a hillside in Conway, NH.  One of the best things I've ever done, and the seller threw in a war-torn JD4600 43 hp tractor (after about $3k of parts and new plastic, it runs and looks like new).  When we cut some trees for a better view, that left about 10 nice white pine logs.  But what to do with those?  
 
I pondered and talked about a small sawmill.  How do I justify that expense?  Am I crazy?  When a used HM-126 showed up nearby, it somehow ended up on my trailer and made quick lumber out of those logs.  When I tell people about my mill and the lumber I produce, the first question they ask is: "what are you going to do with the lumber?"  That question infuriates me just a little because I don't need to have a project in order to justify making the lumber.  Once the lumber is on hand, then projects will come along.  Lumber opens doors. 
 
With a couple small stacks of lumber from my first logs, the mill sat idle while a large garage was built in NH for the tractor and other stuff.  That small stack of lumber provided some nice 2" thick planks for pump jack scaffolding during construction.  Those planks ended up as stair treads for the garage and a nice big workbench.  Some of the wider 1" planks ended up as a big heavy 10 foot sliding door to cover the storage area in the MA place.  
 
The limitation of the manual mill created frustration because the best lumber comes out of the larger logs, but a 22" 16 foot log is so heavy that only the tractor can turn it once it's up on the mill deck.  Additionally, a heavy log like that could change your life permanently if something unexpected happens and a body part is in the wrong place.  Big logs are great, but a PITA to mill on a manual machine.  
 
The milling infection resumed when the garage was completed, and the wife wanted a garden shed.  I realized that I could turn the back lawn in MA into a mill yard during the winter, without tearing up the frozen grass.  After milling the wood for this project, the mill has more than paid for itself.  I don't get any compliments for the huge stack of timbers and lumber in the MA storage area, just complaints about all the sawdust on the back lawn.  Once the garden shed construction begins, attitudes will change, and the sawdust might be appreciated.  Probably not. 
 
Over the years, every time we have gone to a fair and there is a Wood-Mizer machine being demonstrated, I would stand there in awe, but never even dreamed of owning one.  But after making the final payment on the house, it became more of a possibility.  As my employer is being acquired by another larger company, and as people started to scatter, they came out with a 30% retention bonus – for doing nothing.  A new LT35 came into focus. The company is buying me a mill for doing nothing!  But how do I justify spending this kind of money?  What will I do with all that lumber?  And why wouldn't we put that money into remodeling the kitchen instead? 
 
I'm 63, with 4 grown kids and no way to retire unless we sold the big MA house and lived in a trailer in the back woods of NH.  But a hydraulic mill could generate some additional income over the pittance that social stupidity will give us, and it won't kill me like sitting in front of a computer will.  The moderate exercise will keep my body stronger, and at this age I can say that I feel like doing it.  I'm a little less focused on trying to "justify" everything I do and can say that it's what I feel like doing.  Many people ask whether it will ever make enough revenue to make the expenditure worth it.  A lot of our friends are announcing that they are retiring.  When I ask them how they will spend their time, I'm getting a lot of blank stares, shrugs, or ambiguous answers.  People in retirement don't last long when they have no plans.  I have great admiration for MagicMan and hope to be following in his path into my 80's.   

 
LT35HDG25
JD 4600, JD2210, JD332 tractors.
28 acres of trees, Still have all 10 fingers.
Jesus is Lord.

Magicman

Well I was reading along and up popped my name.  Thanks for the undeserved compliment.  :)

I was 'downsized' at age 51 and was doing carpenter work when I bought my (used) sawmill at age 59.  I had no actual business plan and was sorta intending on sawing and selling lumber, I guess. ::)   After my first year of sawing and selling (which paid for the sawmill) I decided to only offer a portable sawmilling service.  This was the best possible decision, in my case, that I could have ever made. 

Yes, I work hard and I was dog tired yesterday after sawing and setting my all-time daily sawing record (3060bf) even though I never put a hand on a log, slab, nor lumber.  Looking at, reading, turning, and adjusting the log for your targeted yield is intense.  Yes, I ride while sawing, but I still make many steps to the back of the sawmill insuring that the log is exactly as I want it.

Portable sawing allows me to saw, not saw, and adjust my schedule as I choose.  When I tell a customer that I can't get to him for another three weeks, it my business whether I am sawing or simply off.  I am looking forward to 'not sawing' for the next couple of weeks.    thumbs-up  food3  smiley_love move_it fire_smiley  smiley_wavy
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It's Weird being the Same Age as Old People

Never allow your "need" to make money to exceed your "desire" to provide quality service.....The Magicman

Magicman

Yesterday's Sunrise was a good omen.


 
Totally clouded over with one hole letting the morning in.
Knothole Sawmill, LLC     '98 Wood-Mizer LT40SuperHydraulic   WM Million BF Club Member   WM Pro Sawyer Network

It's Weird being the Same Age as Old People

Never allow your "need" to make money to exceed your "desire" to provide quality service.....The Magicman

B.C.C. Lapp

Quote from: DanMc on April 02, 2022, 09:47:52 AM
    I have great admiration for MagicMan and hope to be following in his path into my 80's.  


Yup.   You wouldn't have to look far to find a lot of guys that agree with that here.  I certainly do.   thumbs-up 
Listen, or your tongue will make you deaf.

jpgreen

jeez... I was a young man when I posted on this thread last...  :D
-95 Wood-Mizer LT40HD 27 Hp Kawasaki water cooled engine-

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