$400/thousand for white pine is it possible?

[sjh]

I was buying white pine from two arborist pretty cheap (mostly #2 logs). They know claim they can get $400/ thousand from a logger.  The brothers claim it is going to Canada. The NY DEC website list white pine as $80 average in my area. This is just hard to believe.
Scott

[SwampDonkey]

You can get a good price here if you can get a load together in a timely manner (more concerned in warm months). But they are looking for the best of the best for the good prices. JDI is the buyer here. #2 is between $400 and $420/ th $$CDN at Doaktown NB. It saws white pine exclusively, but I don't think they are buying private wood at the moment.

[rebocardo]

> They know claim they can get $400/ thousand from a logger

My reply would be "go ahead" or "good for you"  ;)

[bitternut]

I don't know about white pine log prices but I just bought some kiln dried clear white pine for $1 a board foot. It was 4/4 random width and length. Planed up real nice. Bought locally in Western NY. Not sure where the logs come from for sure but I imagine they are mostly local stuff.

[mike_van]

I must have got the deal of the year today - 3000 bf of white pine delivered for 10 cents a foot -  8)   Lots of 8 footers, lots of 12" logs, but a few real nice ones. Oh, lots of knots too -

[gtr]

paying less than $200 on the west coast of Canada for nice stuff!!

gr

[SwampDonkey]

gtr, is that crown wood or private? I didn't think western white pine was too plentiful in BC.

[gtr]

private just bought 150 cubic mt. $40 per

gr

[sjh]

Rebocardo
The last logs I got in Dec they wanted $150 for 3 loads, and they were #2s or 3s. I said I have $100 and only 100.  Told him to unload the last load, and that's when I got the $400 song and dance.
I think they are trying to make a quick buck off me and its not working for them. There is a local mill that wants 10' or longer hard wood and they cut all theres 8' or less. I am finding that there log market is very small.

[lord_kenwolf]

400.00 doesnt sound that bad of a price.  up here #1 goes for 500-550.00 per thousands.  so 400 for #2's  is about right i would think. heck last summer we was paying 330.00 for spruce logs, and pine is a lot better then spruce.

[SwampDonkey]

I guess, get all you can get is my moto. I figure it took 200 years to get a pine 36 inches and if I can't get a decent price for all those years then she can stand tall a little longer in the woods. ;D

[Ron Wenrich]

I found these prices on pine in Portlandville, NY

Prime - $500/Mbf
Select - $450/Mbf
#1 - $165 for 8', $240 for 16'
#2 - $70

Prime grade is 18" diameter, 8' & up,  3 clear sides
Select grade is 16" diameter, 8' & up, 3 clear sides
#1 grade is straight logs free of rot, ants and worm holes
#2 is everything else.  Doyle rule

Price is one thing, but the logs have to make the grade.  A lot of guys hear a price and think all logs are worth that.  Not so.

[SwampDonkey]

I think select must be what they are calling # 2 at Irving. Has to be don't it? Their #3 is your #1 price. Their #1 is your prime.

I'm not sure if those are the mills designation for grades or if the marketing board made those designations. I would think that Irvings designation would be in line with yours in the US. I'm going to assume so.

[Ron Wenrich]

I believe its a mill designation on the grading system.  Most mills have their own set of rules, it seems.  Some make it up as they go.   :D

[SwampDonkey]

I can relate to the last line, and the more I think of it, the more I realize some mills want to keep you guessing so they can catch you off guard. I've seen some prices drop as soon as you hit the mill gates.  :-\

[mike_van]

Not as many 12" as I thought, 300.00 for this load, 3000 ft.  - I don't know what scale was used, but on the bandmill, you come out over any of them. 

[SwampDonkey]

You guys price white pine down there like we do our wild black cherry and oak. Pulp prices. Actually, you were quite lucky for $300 because they wouldn't even load it on a truck for that price.

[woodmills1]

On my first two log deliveries it was 140 pallet 240 and then 360 for #1, but the mills up here have shut off pine temporarily.

[Sawyerfortyish]

I've been paying 220mbf for about a year. It has to be 12" or bigger and since most of it is knotty I don't grade it just unload and scale I don't get much pine around here anyhow.
  Just the other day I cut the biggest pine log i've had in a while it was a 12'-36"a guy that builds windsor chairs bought it for chair bottoms so I cut it 9/4x22". Most of the pieces only had 2 knots until I got almost to the center.