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Started by CHARLIE, April 04, 2006, 10:34:15 AM

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CHARLIE

I saw this small tree at the Smithsonian Zoo in Washington DC last week.  It really caught my eye and the label said it grew in North America. Where....I haven't a clue.  Can you guess what it is? :)  I'll post the label later if no one can figure it out. 8)


Most of the tree, except the portion of the trunk that had the label on it.


A closer look of the trunk.

Can ya guess what kind of tree it is? ;D
Charlie
"Everybody was gone when I arrived but I decided to stick around until I could figure out why I was there !"

Riles

Zanthoxylum clava-herculis, Hercules club or Devil's walking stick. Saw it for the first time Monday in Pathology class. Supposedly grows around here in the ArklaTex, but I haven't seen it.
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Minnesota_boy

Looks like something with a bad disease that needs to be eradicated.  :o
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Texas Ranger

It grows in Texas, it is the one that is only found when you jump the creek, miss your footing, and have to grab the nearest handhold to keep from falling in the creek.  You usually end up falling in the creek.

Riles got it.
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SwampDonkey

Yup, looks like the devils walking stick. Another plant/shrub even worst is the devils club, with it's stems and leaves both lined with sharp needle-like spines.  As TxRngr said, every time you go to fall or make a fast downward plung you grab a mit full of spines.  :o Devil's club I know is in the ginger family, not sure about the stick.
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sawguy21

Having worked on the coast, you certainly would have seen your share of  that DanG stuff. ;D
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CHARLIE

Riles wins 'cause he was sooooo close! His guess was the Southern Prickly Ash and this tree pictured is the Northern Prickly Ash (Xanthoxylum fraxineum, X. Americanum, X. Carolinianum) commonly called the Toothache Tree.  It has a LOT of medicinal values.

Read about it:
http://www.vtsurvey.com/toothache_tree.htm

Texas Ranger, it's not the Devil's Walking Stick. I did a search on that and it's a different type of thorny tree ( devils walking-stick   Aralia spinosa   Araliaceae).
http://www.sfws.auburn.edu/samuelson/dendrology/araliaceae_pg/devils_walk_stick.htm

Riles, for winning you get free 500 points to use when you mess up at home and lose points. ;D

Thanks for playing!
Charlie
"Everybody was gone when I arrived but I decided to stick around until I could figure out why I was there !"

SwampDonkey

I don't know if any of you guys have noticed before, but on white ash...if you get a dead tip on a tree branch it turns prickly. I don't know if it is a disease or what happens. It's kinda wierd because ash usually doesn't have anything prickly on it anywhere.  :-\
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1 Thessalonians 5:21

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beenthere

Not quite like the prickly's on the prickly ash. Here is a picture up close.

prickle on prickly ash

It's about as tough to walk through and make it back out as the multiflora rose bush.
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Texas Ranger

Not to argue, Charlie, but the names are interchangable in the south, to a certain extent.  there are redily identifiable differences between the two, but non botanical types sort of bunch them together.  Kinda what swampdonkey is saying, he has one called Devils Club (Aralia) that is what we call the devils walking stick, usually never gets very big and grows in patches.  Hercules club is our version of  your sample, and usually singular.

Which brings to mind something else about language and use of same in the south.  In the Ozarks where I grew up some of the back woods types called scorpians, stinging lizards.  Go figure.
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CHARLIE

OK T. Ranger you convinced me so I'm giving you 250 points to use when you need them. ;D
Charlie
"Everybody was gone when I arrived but I decided to stick around until I could figure out why I was there !"

Texas Ranger

Thanks, but being a Texan, don't need points with the wife, need points with the son in laws.  Language always amuses me, how it changes in relatively short distances and times.  Texans tend to have their own.
The Ranger, home of Texas Forestry

Tom

Don!!   Are you owning up to Texans having a short "anything"?  :)  :D :D

SwampDonkey

Tommie, Tommie, Tommie.  ::)


:D :D :D
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1 Thessalonians 5:21

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Texas Ranger

come on, Tom, relatively short.  Like, I can drive to Jacksonville, Florida, and have the wive leave at the same time for El Paso.  I'll be in Jacksonville eatin one of your steaks before she gets cloes to El Paso.   Why, durn near another time zone.  Take another shot to Texline on the New Mexico border up in the Pan Handle like we go to Colorado, and it's a 800 mile trip.

Got one of them steakes with my name on it?
The Ranger, home of Texas Forestry

Riles

Ironically enough, we got Aralia spinosa in dendrology class just this afternoon. He called it devils-walkingstick. Now if I can just get dendrology to agree with pathology, we can start on the rest of the world. (Trivia fact for the day, it has the largest leaves of any plant growing in Louisiana, up to 10 feet).

Common names are a constant source of irritation as I try to cross check everything. He changed huckleberry to Elliot blueberry and French mulberry to American beautyberry in just the last couple of weeks. Even when you think you've reached consensus on name, you have disagreements on spelling. Note that I spelled it devils-walkingstick and not Devil's walking stick. And Elliot blueberry not Elliot's blueberry. The teacher grading the quiz every week is always right.  :-\

The whole point of learning the scientific name was to avoid the confusion over common names. Who keeps changing the common names and why should I have to start my dendro class all over again? (And why do they keep changing the scientific names!)

Dendro is kicking my rear end around this quarter.
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Tom

I don't envy you Riles.  It's not only the subject that changes but school is so much different than real life too.  It's a wonder any of us get out of this life with our minds intact.  :D

Don, If you were to show up, I'd make a point of finding one.  Even if I had to "rustle" it up.   :D

Texas Ranger

Riles, don't feel bad, dendro I, fall hardwoods, drove me nuts to the point where I took it twice. :'(

Anyway, cruising hurricane damage this morning, and there in my path was a patch of devils walking stick, Texas style.  And since my lovely wife provided me with a cell phone with a camera (camera was secondary, she was interested in keeping a leash on her boy) I took some pictures of Aralia.


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Riles

Ironically, I got an "A" in Dendro I, but the prof is taking perverse delight in finding the extreme examples of every species this time. I blew the ID on Berchemia scandens because it didn't even look like a vine.

Come to think of it, I ought to bring my camera along and kick these mutants back to Tom and DanG for a little fun. I seem to recall DanG's walking tour of his yard last year.
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Buzz-sawyer

All I can say is watch yourself...that Dang will give what for if ya dont properly identify those wacky weeds in his yard...he called em browns, or greens or sumptin?!?!?
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Pullinchips

i know im late but i agree with riles about devils walking stick.

-Nate
Resident Forester
US Army Corps of Engineers: Savannah District

Clemson Forestry Grad 2004
MFR Clemson University 2006
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crtreedude

I think I should pull out some pictures and see if you could identify any of them.

So, how did I end up here anyway?

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