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Started by chet, October 12, 2005, 08:58:52 PM

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chet

There are few things I hate worse than trying to track down an electrical short in a vehicle.  :'(  And now I got a short in the towing circuit for my left turn signal on my Ford Ranger.  After 4 hours of lookin' and no solutions I am not a happy camper.  >:(
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Tom

Start with the light bulbs, Chet.  Sometimes it is just a blown or nearly blown bulb.

maple flats

Many times problems are caused by a bad ground and manifest themselves in many different ways, add a good ground and see if the problem persists
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chet

Covered dem bases right off da bat, and no luck. :(
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beenthere

When you say 'short', I assume it is blowing a fuse.  That right?

If so, I put together a 'short' tester, by soldering wires to the blown fuse (spade type) and hook those wires to a 12v bulb. Stick that in the fuse spot, and if a short, the light bulb comes on. Then I play with the wires until the bulb goes off (no short).

If you need a 'long' tester, I don't know how to do dat!
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DanG

Why don't ya tell us just what you have done, and we might be able to help.  At least it'll give us something to talk about. ;) ;D
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chet

A sort was probably da wrong choice of words. Bad connection would be more correct. I have diminished voltage in the turn and braking circuits of the trailer connection. Taillights are fine. And it is not the trailer connector.  :-\
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DanG

AHAA!  It ain't the connector.  Then one must deduce that it is something else, eh?

Have you run a separate ground wire, rather than relying on the continuity of the hitch?
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Kevin

Diminished voltage as in less than 12volts?
Sounds like a poor ground, did you try a separate clamp on jumper between the vehicle and the trailer just to test the ground?

chet

Tail lights, electric brakes, and direct 12 volt feed all tested good to ground. So that pretty much eliminates a grond problem.   :-\
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wiam

You pull something with a Ranger big enough to need brakes?  And I thought a silage round bale was a load in mine. :D

Will

sprucebunny

Most newer vehicles have a inline connector thing that controls turn and brake lights to the trailer.  You know ...a thing that makes them work right. Those things go bad. I've had to buy a new one for my Toyota.
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chet

Quote from: wiam on October 12, 2005, 10:40:32 PM
You pull something with a Ranger big enough to need brakes? And I thought a silage round bale was a load in mine. :D

Will


I refuse to answer dat question on da grounds dat da local authorities may be listening.  ;D
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chet

Quote from: sprucebunny on October 12, 2005, 10:46:33 PM
Most newer vehicles have a inline connector thing that controls turn and brake lights to the trailer. You know ...a thing that makes them work right. Those things go bad. I've had to buy a new one for my Toyota.

Sprucebunny,
Dat was to be da first thing I was going to check in the morning. I was hoping I would find the cause before it went that far. To get at what you are referring to I have to take off my Reese Hitch and the rear bumper.   ::)
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DanG

Relax, Chester.  Ya don't needs no left turn signal.  If'n ya hafs ta turn left, just make a right 270 and ya won't hafta worry about it no more. :P ;D
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CHARLIE

I suggest you just get rid of the truck and buy a new one with factory installed trailer wiring. ;D
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DanG

Do da light on da truck work when the trailer is plugged in?  Do da brake light work? (ya gotta be really fast ta check dat one)

Since yer grousin' about da left signal, I assume the right one is ok? ???  If so, the truck/trailer ground is ok.  What about the trailer to left light connection?
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Tom

Quote from: sprucebunny on October 12, 2005, 10:46:33 PM
Most newer vehicles have a inline connector thing that controls turn and brake lights to the trailer.  You know ...a thing that makes them work right. Those things go bad. I've had to buy a new one for my Toyota.

I thought those modules were only needed on imports. ;D

DanG

I thought a Ranger wuz a import.  It's da Toyotas dat dey make over here. ???

Ya need the adaptor for the ones that have separate lights for turn and brake, like the ones that have yeller turn lights.
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chet

Quote from: Tom on October 12, 2005, 11:24:47 PM
Quote from: sprucebunny on October 12, 2005, 10:46:33 PM
Most newer vehicles have a inline connector thing that controls turn and brake lights to the trailer.  You know ...a thing that makes them work right. Those things go bad. I've had to buy a new one for my Toyota.

I thought those modules were only needed on imports. ;D

Ford makes a clone to the Ranger for Mazda. That is probably why da module.
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chet

Quote from: DanG on October 12, 2005, 11:24:06 PM
Do da light on da truck work when the trailer is plugged in? Do da brake light work? (ya gotta be really fast ta check dat one)

Since yer grousin' about da left signal, I assume the right one is ok? ??? If so, the truck/trailer ground is ok. What about the trailer to left light connection?

All lights work on the truck work irregardless of the trailer being plugged in or not. I'm getting some voltage on the right signal and almost nothing on the left.
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Brian_Rhoad

If your Ranger is fairly new (90s and newer) and has the factory trailer harness make sure you have a ground through the trailer ball. I spent 4+ hours trying to fix a "wiring problem" on a trailer that wasn't hooked up to the hitch. Talked to a friend who was a Ford service manager. He told me about the ground through the ball. Hitched up the trailer and plugged in the harness and it worked like a new one! There is something in the electronics and the trailer towing harness that requires the trailer to be hitched up for the lights to work properly. I had the same problem with my gooseneck trailer when it was checked for state inspection. When I used a jumper wire for a 2nd ground the lights worked fine. Without the jumper wire and without the truck and trailer moving the brake lights would not work. Going down the road the lights all work because the ball and hitch is constantly moving (rubbing) which gives you the second ground you need.

Rockn H

Ahh now , y'all know that any vehicle now adays that has seperate brake light and blinker bulbs has to have a module to work the lights on the trailer that share a bulb for those duties. ::)

chet

Quote from: Brian_Rhoad on October 12, 2005, 11:43:41 PM
If your Ranger is fairly new (90s and newer) and has the factory trailer harness make sure you have a ground through the trailer ball. I spent 4+ hours trying to fix a "wiring problem" on a trailer that wasn't hooked up to the hitch. Talked to a friend who was a Ford service manager. He told me about the ground through the ball. Hitched up the trailer and plugged in the harness and it worked like a new one! There is something in the electronics and the trailer towing harness that requires the trailer to be hitched up for the lights to work properly. I had the same problem with my gooseneck trailer when it was checked for state inspection. When I used a jumper wire for a 2nd ground the lights worked fine. Without the jumper wire and without the truck and trailer moving the brake lights would not work. Going down the road the lights all work because the ball and hitch is constantly moving (rubbing) which gives you the second ground you need.

Brian,
You got my hopes up for a minute there. I ran out, hooked up the trailer, checked continuity between the two (It was good) tried da lights and still no go.  :'(
I am a true TREE HUGGER, if I didnt I would fall out!  chet the RETIRED arborist

Tom

Did you check the lights on the front of the truck too? might have one out.

Do the lights on the truck work without the trailer?

Just for kicks wiggle the "blinker" under the dash.

What happens when the emergency lights are used rather than just left and right turn signals?

I remember having some problems with mine one time and it was the connections on the left trailer light.  That was shared with the light wire for the tag.

Kevin

The running light is fine, the signal/brake circuit is in trouble from what I gather.
You have 12volts at the light socket on the signal/brake circuit so it can't be a bad connection.
Disconnect the trailer harness, pull the bulb at the trailer and look for a short between the 12volt source in the socket and the socket itself.
The voltage might be bleeding off through a high resistance ground without blowing a fuse.

chet

Quote from: Kevin on October 13, 2005, 07:37:27 AM
The running light is fine, the signal/brake circuit is in trouble from what I gather.
You have 12volts at the light socket on the signal/brake circuit so it can't be a bad connection.
Disconnect the trailer harness, pull the bulb at the trailer and look for a short between the 12volt source in the socket and the socket itself.
The voltage might be bleeding off through a high resistance ground without blowing a fuse.

I don't have good voltage for the signal/brake circuit at the socket. The problem is defiately in the truck not the trailer. I tested all funtions on the trailer and they are fine.   :-\
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Kirk_Allen

Have you taken the truck connector apart and check the leads for coorosion? 

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Kirk_Allen

If dem Yoopers use salt on the roads my best guess is coorosion in the connector. 

chet

connectors are shiny and bright.
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Corley5

What kind of a connector is it a round or a flat one.  If it's the round type have you taken it apart for a look inside.  Might be surprised what it looks like in there.  If it's the flat kind cut it off and put a new one on.
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IL Bull

If you have a trailer tow package check under the hood at the power distribution box.  There are separate fuses for the trailer.
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Kevin

Did you try a different flasher unit?

chet

After dropping the spare tire, and removing the reese hitch and rear bumper, I got to the infamous conversion module. Upon testing I found 4 of the 6 terminals showing resistance to one another. BINGO   8)   Replaced the module and all is well, that is of course after I bolt all the other parts back on.   :-\
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Kevin

Quoteconnectors are shiny and bright
:)

ohsoloco

Glad you found your problem Chet, but I wouldn't worry about bolting those other parts on.  You're supposed to have a few extra pieces  :D

Tom

Yeah!   leave all of that stuff off in case it ever fails again. :D

ohsoloco

Even better, Tom!  My friends used to ask me why my washing machine didn't have a front to it  :D

Tom




:D :D   I understand that kind of efficiency.  ;D

Sprucebunny sure nailed this wiring problem, didn't she?

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