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Started by etat, April 16, 2005, 04:27:32 PM

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etat

  My truck just QUIT.  It's been and always has run perfect. Always runs real good oil pressure.  Never been run hot.  I just serviced it and put on new brakes and new tires.  Just a little while ago it started losing power and slowing down.  So I stopped.  Checked all fluids and everything fine.  Cranked it up and it started running rough, missing.  My first thought was to drain the fuel filter.  Thought maybe it had water in it.  Didn't change the sound at all.  I continued to let it run for a minute.  I cut it off, and it won't crank back.  It'll hit just a little bit, but when it does it sounds BAD.  Wouldn't crank and I quit.  Late 99 F250 Diesel.  A guy stopped driving a dodge with a Cummings in it and said his did something similar and it was the injector pump.  Said it cost him 3 grand to fix. 

I have no idea other than to call someone to come get and fix it.  Under that hood is way over my head.  Ideas spinning around are bad fuel or injector pump, some kind of sensor or something?   Anyways, somethings bad wrong.  I can' imagine the motor just went bad for no reason.
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Tom_Averwater

I've got a 97 ford diesel that up and quit on me one time . It just died . It turned out to be the cam position sensor. It tells the pump when to spray fuel. It is located on the front of the block. It costs about  $ 200. at the ford dealer, half that at International . Hope this helps. Tom
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ScottAR

cam sensor would be my guess as well...   I take mine to IH as parts and labor are about half. 
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etat

THANKS for the heads up.  The dealerships are all closed today, however as  I write this my kids are on their way to a parts store that says they have one in stock for just over a hundred bucks.  And my headache I was a getting is starting to settle down cause after studying this some it sounds exactly like my problem.  Again thanks!

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WeeksvilleWoodWorx

What does that want to be son in law, want to be mechanic have to say ;D

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ScottAR

WoodWorx! He just got through sayin' his headache was goin' down.  Don't be starting up a new one...   ;D :D ;)
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etat

I put on the new sensor and it still won't crank.  To me it's now acting like it isn't getting any fuel at all.  A squirt of either and it'd hit, but I didn't do to much of it.  I still remember what AD said about blowing the manifold off of his tractor.   

Talked to the little skumbag of a boy and he said he didn't know nothing about them diesels!  I told him he needed to go to school and LEARN something.  :)
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UNCLEBUCK

ck I would seriously try a brand new fuel filter first , I always carry a spare and I buy them at napa for 20 bucks. Sounds like a load of bad fuel maybe but atleast with a new filter you can eliminate that 100% and work your way back. I going to dig around tonight because I got a 96 of the same . The losing power and slowing down sounds like a basic fuel filter so throw it out and cross your fingers. Driving semi trucks when filters went sour it felt like the cab was coming apart and the tranny was falling off . I use to fill the filter up with injector cleaner once in awhile to blow the bugs out .
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UNCLEBUCK

My glow plugs went bad 2 years ago and 6 months out of the year I spray ether in the intake and start my truck just like a tractor for that first start of the day. 7.3 diesel with 255,000 .
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gary

Hope you got your truck fixed.

etat

Not yet.  I did go and buy a new fuel filter and I'm a gonna study up on it some more tonight and tackle it again tomorrow.  Cause I sure would hate to have to call and get someone to work on it for real Monday who knows what they're doing.  OUCH! ???
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Tom

I've had that  happen with my Cat 3116, only to find that there was water in the tank and the filters had filled up with water.  It happens when you run low on fuel.    I'd start by removing the fuel filters.  There may be two, a primary next to the tank and a secondary on the engijne.   Either drain them and look for water, and/or put new filters on. 

I know that most mechanics don't like you to pre-fill a filter, but it will save a lot of starter grinding. :D

I'd also look under the fuel tank for a drain plug and drain a quart or two of fuel from the tank and look for water there too.

Air leaks are death on diesel.  Make sure that your lines are purged of air.  I don't know what the procedure on your engine for purging would be but you need to learn.

Sounds like Water to me.      I hope. :) :)

asy

Well, what good is the boy, Charles!

tell him he's gotta specialise in what YOU own!!!

asy :D
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etat

Agreed! :)  He just volunteered to go and put that fuel filter on so 'just maybe' there's hope for him.

Now, if it was a old John Deere tractor I'd know 'exactly' how to get the air outta them lines.  On this un, I have NO idea and ain't been able to find out.  Uh, anybody? :) 
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BW_Williams

Charles, powerstrokes are self priming, but I still fill the bowl when I change the filter.  Does the Tach move when you crank it?  If not it's the Cam Position sensor.  There was a batch of bad ones I heard about a while back.  I'm betting you got bad fuel with a bunch of water in it.  If you go to fill up and the tanker is there, find another station, they really stir up the muck.  Your truck has an electric fuel pump, 97 and older are mechanical, no injector pump, direct injection.  Wish you were closer, I think my code reader would work on the newer trucks, good luck BWW
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Brucer

Yep, got some water in the fuel filter on my GMC diesel and that stopped it cold. The filter on that particular truck was designed to be nearly impossible to work on, so it never got changed.

I eventually had the dealer mount a Raycor filter (designed for a semi  ;D ) on the firewall and I've never had a problem. It's easy to change and you can see the water accumulating and drain it out long before it becomes a problem.
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D._Frederick

C.,

Do you have a hand pump that you can hook to your fuel line and pump to purge the air out of the line? If you changed filters and did not fill the new ones up with fuel before installing, you have air in the lines.

FiremanEd

Quote from: D._Frederick on April 17, 2005, 10:44:56 AM
C.,

Do you have a hand pump that you can hook to your fuel line and pump to purge the air out of the line? If you changed filters and did not fill the new ones up with fuel before installing, you have air in the lines.


All he should have to do is turn the key one click to the right and let the fuel pump in the tank pressurize the system. then crack a bleeder on top of the filter housing or any line past the filter. The tank pump should push all the air out. Then the engine should self prime w/ no problem. Theoriticly you only have to crank on it till it starts but that's hard on the starter. It will work though.

this applies to dodge and fords for the past 7 or 8 years. (don't know anything about gm diesels. I'm always concerned about a truck that wear's a bow tie,,,  :-X  ;D )
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etat

Still no joy.  The fuel pump is not pumping diesel to the filter, of this I am sure now.  Yesterday when this first started before everything completely shut down I moved the lever to drain the filter and it was obviously pumping at that time.  The diesel 'appeared' to be fairly clear.  Then I closed the lever and when the truck still didn't start idling right I cut it off.  Since then it has not cranked back. As I said I replaced the CPS and then last night we replaced the fuel filter and filled the housing up with diesel.  Since then I've taken it back off a couple of times and no diesel to amount to nothing in it.  I also loosened the line, I 'think' the one going to it and turned the ignition on, no diesel.

I have no idea if it is the fuel pump itself, or if something inside the computer told it to shut off. 



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Kirk_Allen

Last week it was the Fuel pump that let go on my Suburban.  Just got back from the post office and when I went to start it, nothing.  It would fire if I poured fuel in the manifold but die as soon as it burned up.

When you turn the key on you should hear the pump running. My pump was in the tank, 40 gallons of fuel so off to the dealer it went.  $500 later it runs fine...............................................UNTIL Saturday.  On my way back from Indy and lost Overdrive.  Pulled over to check the fluid and it was fine.  Go to take off and no first gear.

Nursed it home and wouldnt you know it, today it acts like NOTHING is wrong.

Off to AAmco in the morning :(

Ga_Boy

Brucer,

What kinda GMC do you have?

I got a 04 Duramax.  So far I haven't had any problems.  But I guess it is just a matter of time.


Mark
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Rod

I know alot of guys here know alot about motor.I also sometimes go here.Some of these guys do motor work for a living and they have helped me a bunch. http://groups.msn.com/AutoRepairOnLine/fordproblem.msnw


Tom_Averwater

Did you check all of the fuses ?  Tom
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etat

I 'think' I've narrowed it down to the fuel pump.  I checked the fuses and they were good.  Earlier I found out about a fuel pump relay by the kick panel on the passenger side door.  I just got back from checking that. It didn't seem to be tripped.  When I first got there when I turned the key on the fuel pump clicked on and filled up the filter.  The truck still wouldn't crank.  I drained the filter again and turned the key on again, and this time the fuel pump did not kick on and refil the filter.  So I don't know for sure that's what it is but I 'think' that's what it is.  I understand they're in the four hundred dollar range at the ford place.  I feel after worrying about this dang thing all weekend I'm going to let them fix it.  Ouch :'(
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UNCLEBUCK

There is a fuse box under my hood for big stuff and I can pull a certain one when the truck is running and it instantly kills the motor, well let us know how it turns out , thats a bummer .
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