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Jeff and Chet visit Menominee Saw
« on: April 01, 2005, 08:16:14 am »


PART 1 :)

Earlier this week while I was visiting in Da U.P., Chet and I were tinkering with the cable drive Barker Rimsaw that Noble had sent to me via Roy May, who delivered it half way across the country to me at the Paul Bunyan show in Ohio. Anyhow, we had the blade off and was discussing the manufacturer of that very blade, Menominee Saw, one of our Forestry Forum sponsors. Since they were only a couple of hours drive from Chet's we decided to take off the next morning and go visit this company that has been building, repairing and sharpening all kinds of saws for over 100 years.

We arrived unannounced about 11 o'clock that next morning (toting that rimsaw blade), entered the office and stepped up to the counter and asked if Ben Mroz might be there. The gal that greeted us said, yes, but he was leaving for an appointment in just a couple of moments. We said we just wanted to say hey, so she steped back around the corner and said "there was a couple of fellows here wanting to say hello before you leave". Ben stepped around the corner and we introduced our selves. Ben and I had talked several times on the phone but had never met in person.

Let me tell you folks, if you get treated as customers even a quarter as well as we did as unannounced visitors, you will be returning to Menomiee saw time after time after time for thier service.

We showed Ben the Saw blade and asked if he thought they might be able to fix it up. Pretty dumb question on my part since they built the thing probably 40 years prior to that. Of course they could fix it, and after the tour Ben set us up on, if I wanted I now know they could build me a brand new one.

If it's a saw, they can fix it. If its beyond fixing, they can build it. If its dull they can make it sharper than it has ever been.

Ben did have an appointment and had to leave, but hooked us up with another gentlemen named John, who took us through a set of doors on our first part of our tour. To visit with Peach. :)



Peach is the Saw Filer for Menominee Saw. Quite a fellow. Hopefully you will all get to know him as he has become a member of the forum since we met. Peach has been working on the big saws for many years at Menominee Saw. He has reparied or tensioned now over 22,000 head saws. TWENTY TWO THOUSAND!  Figure that out. :D  No wonder he has arms like Popeye. thats a bunch of steel to be flipping around.  Its very clear after spending just a little time with Peach that THIS MAN KNOWS HIS CRAFT!

Of course, as we walked in, the Rimsaw blade was noticed. I showed it to Peach and we talked of its origins. I told him that they had made that blade many years before. Peach is very proud of his company's history and we had a great conversation revolving around one of the things near and dear to me. OLD STUFF! :)

Here is a photo of Peach taking a good look at the Rim Saw blade.




 Although I have been a circle saw head sawyer for over 25 years, I  have never had the opportunity to see a "Saw Doctor" at work. I mentioned this to Peach, and that was all it took to get to see him do his thing on the next blade he was working on. A Circle saw blade sent to him clear from Colorado. Peach works on blades from all around the country, not just Michigan.

More to come. Next up? Photos taken as Peach gets that old saw from Colorado ready to run again for an old Belsaw Mill....

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Re: Jeff and Chet visit Menominee Saw
« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2005, 09:07:47 am »
OK !!!  I'm ready for  Part two . Where's it at  ???  Your going to have
to pick up the pace a little Jeff.   ;)  ;D
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Re: Jeff and Chet visit Menominee Saw
« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2005, 10:07:11 am »
If you were at Menominee you were only 18 miles from my place........across the bay that is ;D ;D

Where's part 2?

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Re: Jeff and Chet visit Menominee Saw
« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2005, 01:11:43 pm »
This is great ;D
I always wanted to know how they tuned up a circle blade.
That part about it being a left or a right....you gonna tell us that ???
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Re: Jeff and Chet visit Menominee Saw
« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2005, 01:15:02 pm »
This is starting out to be a good story.  I  like stories. :)
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Re: Jeff and Chet visit Menominee Saw
« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2005, 01:18:20 pm »
 8) 8) lessons in how to rebuild a saw  :)
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Re: Jeff and Chet visit Menominee Saw
« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2005, 01:40:03 pm »
But when do we get the next lesson? I wanna SEE!

So far it is really cool. I wanna see some more.

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Re: Jeff and Chet visit Menominee Saw
« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2005, 02:36:12 pm »
 :D I'll add some more some time today.
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Re: Jeff and Chet visit Menominee Saw
« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2005, 02:46:05 pm »
Ok, it's time for more. :) 8)
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Re: Jeff and Chet visit Menominee Saw
« Reply #9 on: April 01, 2005, 03:09:40 pm »
I weren't too sure about ole Peach and da saw Doc thing at first.  ???  When he was gonna give us a little demonstration on da saw dat he was trueing, he turned out da lights.   :-\ 
But once he started explainin' things, while he worked and checked da head saw it all made sense.  :)  Even if we were in da dark.  :D
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Re: Jeff and Chet visit Menominee Saw
« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2005, 03:13:37 pm »
Part 2

The saw Peach was working on, as I said had come from Colorado, it had probably been sitting for years and was quite corroded, especially one side where Peach figured it had been sitting in sawdust. It is destined to go back and bring an old belsaw sawmill back to life. Peach had the saw cleaned up when we arrived, he had spent over an hour on it just getting the rust and scale off. My biggest surprise from Peach as Chet says, was when he snapped off the lights and said he works in the dark. I thought he was kidding. He wasn't. It was pretty dark with just a sliver of light coming in from one wall toward where peach was working. All of the photos I have in this area were taken in those conditions with flash. They came out better then I thought they might.

Hopefully if I get a few facts askew here, Peach will jump in and correct me.  ;D

Peach began by checking the gauge of the saw. He was also checking for thinning of the plate.


I soon learned, that the darkness and the light were both tools of the saw filer. What you don't see in the picture below is the sliver of light underneath the gauge Peach holds against the saw.


 The guage is a 560 RPM gauge. He places the guage on the saw at a certain position between the eye of the saw and the rim and flexes the saw. The saw, if tensioned correctly, follows the form of the guage. If it doesn't, you can easily see where it does not by the light passing between the saw plate and the guage. Now you don't do this in just one place. You have to check in several places around the circumference of the saw. After some checking Peach told us that the saw was actually in pretty fair shape but he thought that the rim needed to be tightened a little bit to close up the gap he saw under his guage. He did this by easily moving the saw over (Popeye) to the machine below for "rolling" the rim. I cant remember the name of the machine or the number of tons it takes to roll that rim even, but it did it in short order.



After rolling the rim, Peach put the guage back on the saw both as it layed down, and after standing it up. The rolling had brought the saw into the guage and showed that it needed no further work. I was sorta disappointed not to get to see him pounding a saw, but I can guarantee you, I am going back up there again if he'll let me, and spend some more time and find out how he goes about that too!

Peach and Chet got to visiting and turned out they know quite a few of the same folks.

Talk turned back for a few moments on my rimsaw blade. I told Peach it was no hurry, but it was obvious the way he was looking at it he was plotting in his mind the way he was going to attack it. :)

Peach, I want to thank you for the visit, the demonstrations and your time. and also, Welcome to the Forum! :)

More to come...
Next up: More Saws!
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Re: Jeff and Chet visit Menominee Saw
« Reply #11 on: April 01, 2005, 03:17:02 pm »
Chet,

He was just keeping you in the dark. He didn't want to give away his blade hammering secrets.

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Re: Jeff and Chet visit Menominee Saw
« Reply #12 on: April 01, 2005, 04:27:31 pm »
OK !!!  I'm ready for  Part two . Where's it at  ???  Your going to have
to pick up the pace a little Jeff.   ;)  ;D

Hey!

Go easy on the man...

He's still recovering from the CARDIAC ARREST that DanG CKTate gave him this morning.

Now, I'm not silly enough to post in THAT thread...  So I'll Say what I gotta say here...  ;)

CK! You were VERY NAUGHTY! If'n you were closer I'd put you over my knee for that one!!!

Just remember, it's already APRIL 2nd here! And I wasn't expecting an April fools joke on April 2nd!

I was figuring maybe all those Paulownia had seeded and yer wife had maybe banned ya from the forum!

We're all waiting for the apologies, as are several ambulance services around the globe.

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« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2005, 06:21:51 am »
Great stuff Jeff,

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Re: Jeff and Chet visit Menominee Saw
« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2005, 06:57:46 am »
Watching a master of their trade do their work is always interesting and fun.  I gotta wonder how a fella that looks like Peach, got the nickname Peach.   :)
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Re: Jeff and Chet visit Menominee Saw
« Reply #15 on: April 02, 2005, 02:46:40 pm »
Although I don't own a saw for milling I'm quite interested in how folks use them and keep them running. This is quite an interesting thread and well worth taking it all in. It's quite an exorcise in itself just posting and typing the story behind them, and just as important trying to remember what peach told ya's while he was working away. :)

Good stuff Jeff et al

Pre-commercial thinning pays off. :)

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« Reply #16 on: April 02, 2005, 03:30:48 pm »
Jeff,

Outstanding story line!   8) 8) 8) 8) Waiting for more.  I maybe a band runner (WM LT15), but I love this stuff.

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« Reply #17 on: April 02, 2005, 03:45:12 pm »
Jeff,

Outstanding story line! 8) 8) 8) 8) Waiting for more. I maybe a band runner (WM LT15), but I love this stuff.

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They do bands too..........big bands.......little bands ........and in between bands........dat part of da story is still to come.  :)
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Re: Jeff and Chet visit Menominee Saw
« Reply #18 on: April 04, 2005, 08:14:43 am »
Thanks for the intruduction Peach,and welcome. ;D

Out of curiousity, do you see many of the smaller diameter circle saws coming in, say 18" to 26" in diameter??  How does tensioning them differ from your lower RPM headsaws??

Thanks and Welcome again,

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« Reply #19 on: April 04, 2005, 08:23:23 am »
Your providing a 'GREAT' service to the sawmill community their peach. Glad to have ya on board. This is a great opertunity for us folks to learn, or at least see, how things are done to keep them blades run'n in circles. ;D :)

Pre-commercial thinning pays off. :)

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