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Tree, Plant and Wood I.D. / Re: Looks like cedar but what type.
« Last post by Ianab on Today at 02:50:16 am »
Yes, the tight growth rings means the tree was growing slowly in a mature forest. "Old Growth". Might take 300 years to reach a decent size.

If a forest is logged and regrows the new trees have plenty of light / water / nutrients and grow MUCH faster, meaning the growth rings are further apart. So you might get a harvestable "second growth" tree in 50 years. I have local Port Orford Cedar here that has 3 or 4 growth rings per inch.  It's perfectly OK wood, but it's certainly not the same as the "Old Growth" stuff with 20 or 30 rings per inch.

So growth ring spacing is a poor identifier, as those depend on how the individual tree grew. (Climate / Competition etc)
 Some of us who actively post on here are also on some of these logger groups on FB, I swear 90% of these guys are still eating lead paint chips as adults 😂 especially when it comes to steep ground and then you see 4 tires in the air on what alot of us call "flat" ground. I was down by Coxy's area this winter and could see the skid roads in the snow, I don't mind steep but you can have that vertical stuff 😂 watched John Creech hang the zipline at Hunter MT, alot of people think NY is flat dairy land and what they see from the thru -way.
 I don't know about you guys, I can't do the rides / rollercoasters anymore, taken too many "rides" on a machine or offshore in stupid weather.
Sawmills and Milling / Re: Douglas Fir 6x6 Posts
« Last post by Ianab on Today at 02:16:54 am »
I wouldn't call a 16" or even an 18" top "huge" for a Douglas-Fir.

That's what I was thinking. Judging by the picture and tree species (and user name) I was going with Pacific Nth West as the OP's location. That suggests some decent size trees, and a 20" log isn't "big" in my part of the world.

The 5 posts in a star pattern is of course not the only option, and would need a log around 20"+. Like Brucer says you can cut the pith out in a smaller (low grade) board and get 2 FOH posts, and some decent side boards, from maybe a 16" top.

Maths experiment. How many from a 48" log?  :D No idea, I'd just get a crayon and ruler and start drawing 6x6 boxes on the end of the log  ;D

My current mill maxes out at ~36", but can handle that with 12hp, because it only cuts 6" at a time. Start whittling at the top of the log, and stop when there is none left  ;)
Yeah you get that weight on the bunk and it just pushes you down down down. Put the blade down and a log under the tires if you have to. haha
Sawmills and Milling / Re: Douglas Fir 6x6 Posts
« Last post by mad murdock on Today at 01:00:20 am »
Welcome westside! I would add also that raw log selection may differ from one situation to the next depending on the type of mill along with, as Bruce has said- HP! 
General Board / Re: Maxville, Wisconsin
« Last post by low_48 on Today at 12:35:43 am »
You might try the nearest county historical society. I've had good experiences with one local and one in Iowa. One of my most rare finds was just doing Google searches. I found a descendant of my Great Grandfather's sister, living in London, from a random surname search on Google. I just use my wife's Ancestry account for searches, but found out after doing my DNA, is that unless you have a separate family tree, you don't get hits from the DNA results. Something they don't explain when you send in the money for the kit.
Tree, Plant and Wood I.D. / Re: Looks like cedar but what type.
« Last post by Chop Shop on Today at 12:33:19 am »
I have western red cedar here with 1/2 grain/growth rings.

Newer stuff (second and third growth) have wider rings and more red/salmon color.  The old growth/BC stuff is tighter like yours and the darker brown color.

Yours looks just like the lumber I get when I saw old cedar tele poles.
General Board / Re: Dodge- Cummins 98- 01 Watch out for weak block
« Last post by Chop Shop on Today at 12:29:11 am »
The KDP can be addressed without disassembly.   There was a product that you drilled and tapped a hole in the acc drive cover and then screwed it in and it "pinned" the KDP in there for good.

I have a 98 12V and it spit the dowel pin.  Thru the cam gears and out the side of the cover.

The gears cleaned up fine, just honed off a few burs and a shard edge and replaced the acc drive cover with the new updated one.  It has a stepped hole so the dowel pin cant back out.
General Board / Re: DIY foam filled tires?
« Last post by low_48 on Today at 12:25:38 am »
Some mountain bike riders use a tire liner, and slime in the tube. I don't know if they make a liners for anything but bicycle tires but maybe worth looking at.
Sawmills and Milling / Re: Big Slabs: Sales and handling
« Last post by jemmy on Today at 12:24:46 am »

You must have some heavy equipment to get that monster loaded.
Good luck with your slabbing venture.

I just got done with my video of loading this log onto my trailer! All I used was some dead ash trees for ramps and some trucks hooked up with chains. I hope you guys enjoy!
Timber Framing/Log construction / Re: Started the build.
« Last post by Darrel on Today at 12:23:19 am »
I like it and showed it to my wife. She says Nice!
In my opinion only Kentucky and Iowa would benefit.  Illinois is a fine state east of hy 39.

East of I-39? I prefer west of I-39. I've been cycling along the Great River Road on the east side of the Mississippi River, beautiful country, quiet little towns! We travel I-39 a lot to see our adult children in Crystal Lake, and I-80 to I-55 to our son in North Chicago. The closer we get to Rockford, the semi traffic picks up and those guys have very little courtesy these days. So get a sour taste up there, and grinding through I-90 traffic east of OHare to get to our son. I do love riding the Lake Michigan bike trails though, but always tickled to leave. If they don't pass a budget by the weekend, we go to junk status on the loans. It's so bad here, the lottery is even in a mess! They are going to stop selling Powerball after Thursday! Now that's bad!
Sawmills and Milling / Re: Douglas Fir 6x6 Posts
« Last post by Brucer on Today at 12:17:10 am »
So, having actually cut several hundred thousand BF of Douglas-Fir ...

I hate 6x6's. You can cut one boxed heart 6x6 from a 9" log but that's from the top of the tree and will often have a lot of knots. Or you can cut one boxed heart beam from a large log (say 12") which will give you a very nice timber but also a lot of side lumber. Or you can jump up to a much larger log and cut 2 or more FOHC timbers.

... Cutting 4 beams is probably bad because you will end up splitting the pith and having it on the corner of each beam. They are then likely to wrap.

If the log is big enough you should be able to cut 1 beam centred, and another 4 from around it.  ...

There's another way, which I used all the time. Cut 2, 3, or 4 beams but stay 1" away from the pith. Bascially you're cutting a 2x or a couple of 1x's out of the centre and taking your 6x6's from the sides. Cut this way, you will get ...
  2 - 6x6 (full dimension) from a 16" log (top diameter), or
  3 - 6x6 from a 17-3/4" log, or
  4 - 6x6 from an 18-1/2" log.

To get 5 pieces from one log as Ian suggested, you'd have to go up to a 20" diameter top.

... you would need a huge log to cut four 6x6 posts and stay free of the center. Many logs have tension and those post will warp.

I wouldn't call a 16" or even an 18" top "huge" for a Douglas-Fir.

While cutting FOHC will cause most species to curve away from the centre, Douglas-Fir doesn't usually deflect that much. For 8' and 10' long posts, the curvature is negligible. At 16' you might get 1/4" of deflection, or even up to 3/8". If this was going to be a problem, I'd usually cut the posts a little oversize and then saw them down to 6" after they curved.

The deciding factor on whether to cut one or many from a log may be the size (and power) of your mill. An 18 HP engine will cut big D-Fir logs (slowly), but 24 HP makes it go much more quickly. Anything above that and you're laughing.
Drying and Processing / Re: cheap gothic arch solar kiln
« Last post by Darrel on Today at 12:15:17 am »
I've read reply number 45 several times and I'm just not going to read it anymore because every time I read it I become more clueless as to what Grouch has in mind. Then I read reply number 46, sounded good to me. Then when I read reply number 47, the grouch kinda put the kibosh on that.

Now I'm sittin here with this big grin on my face anxiously waiting to see what happens next!


Bwahaha! My evil plan is working! Today, Darrel, tomorrow THE WORLD!!1

Let me see if I can make this more confusing. Take a big funnel. Lay it on its side and fill the throat with lumber (properly stickered, of course) such that the ends of the boards are even with the narrow end of the funnel.

Put the whole thing into a jug whose opening is the same size as the big end of the funnel. Cut some narrow slits in the side of the big jug near ground level. Air can get into the jug through those slits, but can only get out by coming out the funnel (backwards to the way a funnel is normally used).

Hang a big sheet over the big end of the funnel so you can control how fast air gets to come out. The heating of the air between jug and funnel throat is what drives air flow.

Well why didn't you say so?!? ;D
Tree, Plant and Wood I.D. / Re: Looks like cedar but what type.
« Last post by TCole on Today at 12:11:09 am »
Thanks for the help fishpharmer. I have updated the post with the pics. The wood-database end grain pic shows a tighter grain and no visible pores like in the shutter end grain pic. What do you think, Chop?
Nathan, you do a great job with your videos and milling.  I was involved with a similar project years ago with FF member @DonK  I haven't seen him on here lately.  Here is my relatively poor quality video in comparison :-[.   We used a bottle jack and my Stihl 880.

Drying and Processing / Re: Drying slab of osage orange for guitar parts.
« Last post by low_48 on Today at 12:08:26 am »
I strongly suggest you not turn big bowls with cracks in them. There was recently a photo circulating on-line where the bowl blew up on the guy and a chunk broke his face shield and that acted like a machete and sliced open his head all across the top. I lost count how many staples he had. Lynn Yamaguchi had a serious accident where one of her eye sockets was shattered from a bowl coming apart and smacking her in the face. She now wears a riot helmet. Wood with cracks is firewood, not turning blanks!
Sawmills and Milling / Re: My new saw shed
« Last post by barbender on Today at 12:06:17 am »
Looking good, Red! That heat..there is something to be said for dry heat versus the nasty humid stuff we get (although a fine point on dry heat being the kind that you roast a turkey with :D), but hot is hot, especially on a roof. I'd be up on that mountain all summer ;) Now, one time my wife and I were visiting one of her former classmates, who was back home for a visit from her home in Florida. We were asking her how hot and muggy it was down there, she said it was "really humid, but a different kind of humid" ::) ??? My wife did not allow me to address that one ;D
Drying and Processing / Re: What's the best way to sell crotches?
« Last post by low_48 on Today at 12:00:50 am »
1/4" thick hardwood is not veneer. It moves seasonally just like hardwood, not seasonally stable like veneer. Glue 1/4" hardwood to any manmade substrate, and the hardwood cracks when it shrinks for the winter. Have you ever heard of a 4-way veneer match?
Forestry and Logging / Re: Will a skid steer pull down trees?
« Last post by barbender on Yesterday at 11:56:35 pm »
Cat 257 would be ASV undercarriage. As mentioned, they have better flotation and traction than other CTL undercarriages, but they are also less durable, and more expensive.
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