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Title: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Jeff on December 28, 2017, 03:29:37 PM
It has been near 8 years since we moved the forum to it's current server. Early 2010.  In Internet years, that is an eternity.  We have now outlasted the usefulness and functionality of our server.  I can no longer update our forum software due to the outdated supporting software on the server.  I am not longer able to upgrade the supporting software due to the outdated and now end of life version of the Linux Debian Operating System. We have also used up a lot of our physical memory and  many times taxing our RAM  So we have to move.  No easy task.   

Many of the slow-downs in the last couple months is due to some of these things. Trying to run back ups of an ever increasing database and supporting files, as well as the tools to fight off all the badguys all take RAM that we at times don't have enough of.

I've set in motion the creation of our new bigger badder up-to-date server.  Once it is installed, I'll be doing some preliminary moving and testing. At some point, I will need to shut the gallery down first. It may be a couple three days before the final move. All the pictures will be there in the posts, but there will not be  way to add new ones until we are ready on the new machine.

Once I am confident that the new server will support the forum, and have the bugs worked out, we will make the move. I will put the forum into maintenance mode so the database can not be altered as I back it up and prepare it for the move. Once backed up, it will then be installed on the new server. If that goes right, then at that point we will point the forestry forum address to the new server.   

Potential trouble spots when we first get moved.

 Potentially bookmarks may fail. You may need to type in the address and make a new bookmark
our search function may not work right away, as that is a third party software that I do not know id is compatible with the new operating system.

Others I may not even have considered.

I'll try to give everyone as much of a heads-up when and where and what as possible. It could be within the next week. I somehoe picked up the flu, so, sitting and thinking is about all im able to do right now anyhow, I just can't make a mistake on what my job is related to where I am sitting. ;)

Wish me luck!  I'm dreading this as much as the last time it had to happen.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: petefrom bearswamp on December 28, 2017, 03:37:11 PM
Good luck to our fearless Leader!!
May your bugs be few.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: thecfarm on December 28, 2017, 03:53:10 PM
Yes,I wish you luck.
Got my fingers crossed too.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: nativewolf on December 28, 2017, 04:21:56 PM
Get better!
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: catalina on December 28, 2017, 04:26:50 PM
Thanks Jeff, may the force of the porcelain gods be with you! Get well!!
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: justallan1 on December 28, 2017, 05:02:14 PM
Luck? We don't need no stinking luck! We have The Jeff.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Jeff on December 28, 2017, 05:03:34 PM
Problem is, the Jeff ain't what he use ta be.  :-\
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: wesdor on December 28, 2017, 05:05:33 PM
Thanks for your work making this upgrade. Hope the flu leaves you soon.

This all sounds like a lot of hard work AND COSTLY.  I suggest anyone that wants to assist should go to the main page and click on Support Forestry Forum with PayPal. 



Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: coxy on December 28, 2017, 05:14:14 PM
Luck? We don't need no stinking luck! We have The Jeff.
:D :D
Problem is, the Jeff ain't what he use ta be.  :-\
your right your better  8) 8) 8) 8)     
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: dustintheblood on December 28, 2017, 05:19:13 PM
I don't do facechat or snapbook, but I suspect that this may eclipse the withdraws that the teenagers go into when those new fangled internets go down for 5min.


Fortunately Jeff, you are the host for many considerate and patient and very grateful folks who won't blink an eye as you work your wizardry ways.  Thank you again for the hard work and dedication to our community.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Roxie on December 28, 2017, 07:17:59 PM
Okay, so that explains the new avatar.   :-*
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: POSTONLT40HD on December 28, 2017, 07:46:03 PM
This would be a good time to visit IAN for a week where it is warm while you work Boss.  ;D
Good Luck Jeff.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: chet on December 28, 2017, 07:57:35 PM
Problem is, the Jeff ain't what he use ta be.  :-\

Yup, yer pushin' dat big 6-"O"  :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Jeff on December 28, 2017, 08:01:45 PM
Yea, I don't think it's da age. I tink it's da wear and tear. I said dat in yooper sois it dint get by ya. Which reminds me of dat sumpthin.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: coxy on December 28, 2017, 08:11:13 PM
your going to be 60  :o  wow thats  old  :D :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: chet on December 28, 2017, 08:12:29 PM
So yer  say'n it's dat time agin.  8)

We might as well send dis server out wit a bang. ;D
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: ronwood on December 28, 2017, 08:13:44 PM
Jeff,

Hope you will feel better. If I can be of any help please feel to contact me and I will see if I can assist you. Major updates can be tricky.

Ron
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: runmca on December 28, 2017, 09:21:26 PM
Good luck Jeff!

You can always refer to this for help - http://theoatmeal.com/blog/fix_computer  ;)
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: DelawhereJoe on December 28, 2017, 09:36:47 PM
OH NO.....it can't go down for a few days...I'll start to get the jitters, shakes, probably start sweating uncontrollably, followed by insomnia, chills, fever, boils....I may even go comatose....
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Jeff on December 28, 2017, 09:44:56 PM
The plan is for a few hours over one night my time.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Chop Shop on December 28, 2017, 09:53:47 PM
Any complications moving the "FF toolbox"?
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Wood Shed on December 28, 2017, 10:04:05 PM
Thank you again for the hard work and dedication to our community.  BTW, would you happen to be one of the many who got the flu shot and still got the flu?  Hope you feel better soon.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Jeff on December 28, 2017, 10:14:42 PM
Any complications moving the "FF toolbox"?

No, that's very easy.


  BTW, would you happen to be one of the many who got the flu shot and still got the flu?  Hope you feel better soon.

Nope, I didn't get a shot.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Jjoness4 on December 29, 2017, 08:22:53 AM
May the grain be with you.  ;D You da man, Jeff.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: maple flats on December 29, 2017, 09:03:12 AM
Jeff's going to be 60, I can't even remember that far back! You're still young.
Jeff, my prayers are for your quick recovery and for an easy as possible transition to the new server. Good luck.
Dave
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: dgdrls on December 29, 2017, 09:24:43 AM
It's 1's and 0's how tough can it be ;)

Thank-you for all your efforts Jeff,

D
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: POSTONLT40HD on December 29, 2017, 09:39:20 AM
Need more Ram?
Maybe I can help.
Goat.  :D
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Ed_K on December 29, 2017, 10:28:34 AM
 Thanks, Jeff. Hope your feeling better already. Praying for your flu to be gone and the server to go better than ok  8) .
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Bandmill Bandit on December 29, 2017, 10:47:06 AM
Hey Jeff

It is hard to believe its been that long since the last move. I Joined just bit ahead of that. Good luck in the work of getting the move done again.

Take the time you need to get as right as you possibly can on the first round. A Methodical, Steady process will serve well to get it done as you are very much aware.

Good luck!   
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: sandhills on December 29, 2017, 10:53:49 AM
Get to feeling better first, been there the last week or so and I did get a shot.  Hope it all goes well and thank you very much for all the work you do for us!
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: 51cub on December 29, 2017, 07:20:47 PM
Good luck Jeff! More importantly, feel better soon!
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: moodnacreek on December 29, 2017, 08:07:48 PM
Get better soon, Doug
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Ianab on December 30, 2017, 02:31:28 AM
This would be a good time to visit IAN for a week where it is warm while you work Boss.  ;D
Good Luck Jeff.

Nooooo, that would be a bad idea.

It's warm here, and the beer is cold. If Jeff was here I'd have to help, and then we would end up drinking beer in the sun, and... well, it might be ages before the forum was working again.   :D

Drinking beer in the sun and fixing computers is a bad combo. Fix your computers, THEN drink the beer.   ;D
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Logger RK on December 30, 2017, 06:20:25 AM
Hope your feeling better and everything goes good on the switch over. I'm hoping it might be easier to post pictures then. But if not my 4 year old Grandson Probly could show me how to do it now.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: olcowhand on December 31, 2017, 05:49:13 AM
I'm so new, it took me three days to notice the big, bold Announcement (I've never been the brightest bulb in the chandelier) at the top of every page I went to......
I can tell, with all the "Love" and support you're getting from FF Members, you'll do just fine. I'll add my prayers, as well.
Don't take too much guff about turning 60, they tell me at work that..... "Sixty is the new er... Sixty!"
Besides, I can't remember a time I've felt better than I do right now (because I can't remember anything!).
Fare thee well!
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Chuck White on December 31, 2017, 06:53:19 AM
Welcome to the Forestry Forum, olcowhand!
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: thecfarm on December 31, 2017, 07:08:37 AM
olcowhand,welcome to the forum.
Under that announcement is a line,starts out with Home,Help,Search,go to Extras,a drop down will appear and there is alot of information there. More will open up for you the longer you are here and post.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: olcowhand on December 31, 2017, 07:19:24 AM
Thecfarm, Thanks for the advice. Even before I became a member, I would use the tool box and Dictionary to try to understand what my neighbors were talking about.
I really appreciate the helpful spirit of everyone in FF.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT yooper forum ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: loganworks2 on December 31, 2017, 11:05:24 AM
Thanks Jeff for all the hard work keeping this forum up and running. I don't post often as I have no mill but one is in my future. I keep reading and learning from all the good folks of the FF. I hope the move goes smoothly and your avatar tells it all I'm scared just thinking about it😨😨😨. Get well and happy New Year . :new_year:
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Crusarius on December 31, 2017, 12:02:33 PM
Good luck Jeff. I have changed enough servers with my own sites that I understand the ultimate pain in the butt it is.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Jeff on December 31, 2017, 12:46:38 PM
Latest news on this is I don't have any. Still waiting for news the server is built and on the rack. I'm sure the Linux techs were off for the holidays. I expect by next weelines to be knee deep into it.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: smokeatrr on December 31, 2017, 05:35:09 PM
good luck and thanks
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Southside logger on January 01, 2018, 11:05:03 PM
Jeff - you mean the servers not in a closet in your bathroom?
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Jeff on January 01, 2018, 11:11:55 PM
To run a website with the traffic the forestry forum gets, the servers need to be in a major data center to handle it. The forestry forum gets upwards at times of 10,000,000 page views a month.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: POSTONLT40HD on January 01, 2018, 11:23:12 PM
The forestry forum gets upwards at times of 10,000,000 page views a month.

 :o :o :o WOW!
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Southside logger on January 01, 2018, 11:28:26 PM
That is amazing. In all seriousness, you should be quite proud of what you built. Thank you for all the hard work that we never see.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Treehack on January 01, 2018, 11:34:13 PM
Talk to Hillary, she can hook you up with a good used server. :D
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Jeff on January 01, 2018, 11:39:48 PM
No interest.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: sawguy21 on January 01, 2018, 11:53:50 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Jeff on January 01, 2018, 11:55:48 PM
I went back and looked, we didn't actually have any months this last calendar year with over 10,000,000, but we had a few with over 9 million.  :)   We had two months the year before with just over 10, but this past year, we actually for the year, had more for 12 months. The late summer and fall in through Christmas is historically our slow time on the forum, then it really picks up after Christmas as people are spending a whole lot more time inside on the computer.

Here is this years stats:
 

 (http://www.forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/stats~0.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1514868919)
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Jeff on January 01, 2018, 11:59:52 PM
THis is just today.
 

 (http://www.forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/today.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1514869178)
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: thecfarm on January 02, 2018, 06:07:19 AM
That is some heavy traffic.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: WDH on January 02, 2018, 08:22:11 AM
Makes me thick that I am driving in downtown Atlanta  :D. 
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: POSTONLT40HD on January 02, 2018, 10:14:10 AM
Makes me thick that I am driving in downtown Atlanta  :D.

Your head is the only thing T H I C K!  :D :D :D
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Jeff on January 02, 2018, 02:19:18 PM
Quote
Jeff,

I have your hardware put together, and I have an operating system installed on it.  It is up and running now, I need to have network allocated, get it racked up, and get some more software on it, and you should be good to begin migration.  I am hoping to have it online for you later today or early tomorrow morning.

Thanks,

dave
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: POSTONLT40HD on January 02, 2018, 06:22:38 PM

and you should be good to begin migration. 

Thanks,

dave
[/quote]

You headed SOUTH???  :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Jeff on January 02, 2018, 06:24:22 PM
If I can get this all done along with a couple obligations in short order, that could be a real possibility!
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: POSTONLT40HD on January 02, 2018, 06:25:44 PM
If I can get this all done along with a couple obligations in short order, that could be a real possibility!

"HEY JULIE......TURN THE LIGHT ON!"
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Jeff on January 04, 2018, 01:35:29 PM
Still awaiting the new server to be put on the network. If it happens today, expect the gallery to be shutdown as first step.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: coxy on January 04, 2018, 03:18:16 PM
oh man just when I was going to learn how to post pics  :D :D
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Jeff on January 04, 2018, 03:35:31 PM
There is a real chance that photo posting may change radically. I'm not exactly sure what to do yet. THe coppermine software that the gallery runs on is not supported by the new versions of php that we have to go to. For awhile, this is going to be a total cluster. I made a comment earlier in the topic. It wasn't concerning my age, it was concerning my ability to think through these tech dilemmas that I used to be able to conquer with relative ease. My mind simply does not work the way it used to and it is concerning to say the least.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: btulloh on January 04, 2018, 06:04:26 PM
I thought that only happened to me. :)

Good luck.  We're with you all the way.

Funny thing is, some people will be glad to see the current way of posting photos change.  This is one the few forums I visit that doesn't have a bunch of x's everywhere a picture is supposed to be.

Whatever happens, we'll be fine.  You have my sympathy.  I've been told that the liberal internal use distilled spirits can be used to offset the negative effects of server migration.  Don't know for sure about that, it's just what I've heard.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Brad_bb on January 04, 2018, 08:51:01 PM
If the FF is down for more than an hour, I'm going to get the DT's.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Jeff on January 04, 2018, 09:00:01 PM
Yea, me too.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Southside logger on January 04, 2018, 09:12:03 PM
Jeff -

Growing up in the central part of Aroostook County Maine as I kid I thought the band "Da Yoopers" was actually a local band as some folks sound just like that.  "I wanna buy that garage there and move it to my camp - it gonna make a good wood shed" - it was not until I joined the Forum that I actually learned that Yoopers were from your neck of the woods.  Well anyway, I don't know if it's all the same but as long as things don't end up "All stove up something wicked" I am sure it will be "Good Sleddin" after the move. 
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: CJennings on January 04, 2018, 09:58:23 PM
I have a simple solution for posting pictures: everyone sends in 35mm film to Jeff to be developed and the photos then scanned manually via dial up connection.  :D

Best of luck with the switch. You have my sympathy.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Don P on January 04, 2018, 11:06:28 PM
That was pretty much the way the forum started, except you then had to reduce the pics down to no more than 15k cause Jeff was paying for the bandwidth out of his pocket.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: woodyone.john on January 05, 2018, 12:37:36 AM
Hope it turns out to be poplar,not hickory.I too hope to see yall on the farside. Gracious thanks for getting us thus far.cheers john
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Jeff on January 06, 2018, 09:49:57 AM
Update: Well, the Linux admin in charge of building our new server messaged me apologizing for the delay. Turns out he went home sick, so nothing will probably happen now until next week. That's okay , as I've has a relapse as well and don't feel like doing squat. Well, maybe everything squat.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: POSTONLT40HD on January 06, 2018, 11:40:41 AM
 smiley_sick
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: coxy on January 06, 2018, 12:07:10 PM
its funny how the older we get the longer it takes to recover  years ago if I got banged up I never got a bruise now if a leaf falls on me it seems like I get one  ::)  get well
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: sandhills on January 06, 2018, 01:35:47 PM
That stuff has been horrible around here since just before Christmas, neighbors, kids, old folks like us, it doesn't just go away for anybody.  Hope you get to feeling better soon and I'll second what coxy said.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Texas Ranger on January 06, 2018, 03:30:10 PM
That stuff has been horrible around here since just before Christmas, neighbors, kids, old folks like us, it doesn't just go away for anybody.  Hope you get to feeling better soon and I'll second what coxy said.

yeah right, old folks ::)
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Jeff on January 06, 2018, 03:43:47 PM
I'm pretty much doomed because of Tammy. Kids climb on her bus go cough cough spit hack good morning Mrs. Brokaw, then she comes home and kisses me.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: coxy on January 06, 2018, 05:41:58 PM
well that's your fault don't kiss her  ;D :-X :-X
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: olcowhand on January 06, 2018, 06:20:56 PM
Coxy and Sandhill:
Talkin' about getting old- You ain't seen nothing yet.......
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: POSTONLT40HD on January 06, 2018, 06:23:29 PM
I'm pretty much doomed because of Tammy. Kids climb on her bus go cough cough spit hack good morning Mrs. Brokaw, then she comes home and kisses me.

You would make a good research Guiana Pig.  :)
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: coxy on January 06, 2018, 06:40:38 PM
Coxy and Sandhill:
Talkin' about getting old- You ain't seen nothing yet.......
thanks for the kind words  you made me feel better  :)
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Jeff on January 06, 2018, 06:53:43 PM
Our neighbor, Jill, sent Tammy a text a few minutes ago.

"Tammy, I just saw on the news where they said because of the sub -zero temperatures, we should check on the elderly. Is Jeff okay?"

What a clown. :snowball:
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Chuck White on January 06, 2018, 06:59:37 PM
I'm pretty much doomed because of Tammy. Kids climb on her bus go cough cough spit hack good morning Mrs. Brokaw, then she comes home and kisses me. 

That's very true Jeff!

I was up against that a few years ago myself, retired from driving bus in 2012 with 20 years service credit!

Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: sandhills on January 07, 2018, 09:34:58 AM
Both Chuck and Jeff, my wife was a nurse for 15 years, I'd imagine it'd be about the same although I think SHE had built up some immunity, I on the other hand had not.  Now she works at the vet clinic so I just have to worry about what she infects my cattle with  :D.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Crusarius on January 07, 2018, 10:14:19 AM
Jeff, thats great. I hope you at least laughed at it :)
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Jeff on January 07, 2018, 10:27:02 AM
Jeff, thats great. I hope you at least laughed at it :)

I sent her a message this morning. She has three adopted daughters in school. She hates it when they have snow days.

"Jill, did you hear? The three days of sub zero weather caused the pipes at the Harrison middle school to freeze and break. They think it will be the end of next week before they can get everything fixed"

There was a very long pause after I saw it was marked as read.  I'm sure she first clutched her chest, then gasped, then took three deep breaths, then called someone that would know all about it.   :D    I got a message back.  "THEY DID NOT!!!"  :D :D
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Crusarius on January 07, 2018, 10:29:38 AM
thats awesome. :) thanks for that I needed a good laugh.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: POSTONLT40HD on January 07, 2018, 01:45:52 PM


I sent her a message this morning.

"Jill, did you hear? The three days of sub zero weather caused the pipes at the Harrison middle school to freeze and break. They think it will be the end of next week before they can get everything fixed"



 :D :D :D :D :D You're my horse if you don't ever win a race.  :D :D :D :D Good 1 Jeff!
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Jeff on January 09, 2018, 11:38:57 AM
Last evening:

Quote
Jeff,

I have the networking set up, am making a few finishing touches on the bench, and then racking this up.

dave

And I'm still waiting. :-\
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: POSTONLT40HD on January 09, 2018, 06:00:38 PM
Will we see any drastic changes from a new server or business as usual?
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Jeff on January 09, 2018, 06:25:23 PM
You should see far less slowdowns because the new server will have 5 times the ram and 5 times the physical memory.  We were only at about 35% on using up our storage memory on this server, so the new one gives us tons of space for the future.  We still have tons of space here, but its the hardware and software life that has forced the change.

There could be issues with the search, and perhaps the gallery when we get switched over, maybe some slowness until I get things optimized.  I'll find a way to work over any hurtles that may pop up.  Today I  spent the afternoon relearning and practicing unix commands and syntax that I had forgotten in regards to copying compressing and transferring files via ssh, tar gzip and scp. The files and directories supporting the forestry forum and the gallery, NOT counting the database, is well over 1 million.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: ronwood on January 09, 2018, 06:49:26 PM
Good luck Jeff on the update.
Ron
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Southside logger on January 09, 2018, 07:40:37 PM
the new server will have 5 times the ram

Now that will make a goat smile!!
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Jeff on January 09, 2018, 08:16:06 PM
SO IT BEGINS!
The Forestry Forum Gallery is now shut down. No photo sharing until we get moved or if we have to abort this attempt.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Jeff on January 09, 2018, 09:12:59 PM
https://youtu.be/IJt_fDnQ9hM
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Andries on January 09, 2018, 09:22:00 PM
Jeff: Do you start feeling like you're in the movie "The Matrix" ?
If you do, let us know if you decide to take the red pill or the blue one, k?
 ;D
All kidding aside: THANKS!
Your efforts are appreciated in so many un-expressed ways.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Jeff on January 09, 2018, 09:24:27 PM
Just call me Neo :D 

  The screen is still rolling like it was....
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: POSTONLT40HD on January 09, 2018, 09:36:58 PM
I do not know what I am talking about but do you like put it in zip form?
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Southside logger on January 09, 2018, 09:44:51 PM
I am picturing the scene from the end of the movie "War Games" when all the computer screens are flashing constantly, numbers everywhere, complete chaos, then it all goes blank for a few tense moments before "Hello Jeff - Do you want to post topic?" appears. 
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Jeff on January 09, 2018, 09:51:06 PM
yes, its actually a tar.gz  file. The server right now is gathering, compiling and compressing into one archive file, a gzip file.  That roll of files are what are being added to the zip file.  Once it is done, as long as it isnt corrupt, I can then move the one file to the new server for the gallery. This is the biggest move.  Then comes everything else. Then the last back up data bases which I will use to test. Once I think everything is going to work, I shut the forum down and do a final database up date from here and move that over., then we move forestryforum.com to the new I.P. address on the new server nd re-open for business.  The first day, things may try to bounce back and forth until the DNS propagates through the internet.

H E L L O J E F F. D O  Y O U  W A N T  T O  P L A Y  A   G A M E ??

Screen is still rolling..
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Andries on January 09, 2018, 09:53:29 PM
Just call me Neo :D 

  The screen is still rolling like it was....
Neo?
nahhhh.
More gravitas in corner Jeff.
More like Morpheous.

Now, Poston is more like Neo - waking up to his new powers with an LT40 WIDE and getting a handle on his zip files.
 :D
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Southside logger on January 09, 2018, 10:05:31 PM
Sounds like you chose Thermo Nuclear War over a nice game of chess!!
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Jeff on January 09, 2018, 10:07:12 PM
Currently the zip file being created for the gallery is at 8 gigs
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: POSTONLT40HD on January 09, 2018, 10:16:32 PM
No jokes intended......you could be up all night????
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Jeff on January 09, 2018, 10:31:23 PM
night(s)

I have two modes. Artsy Fartsy Mode and Code Mode. The two can't meet. Its kinda like crossing streams on ghost busters. My mind might explode. I am officially in code mode. Well in the second hour of watching the screen roll and doing other things I can do on the new server to ready it
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Southside logger on January 09, 2018, 10:41:59 PM
Did you order the flux capacitor on the new server?
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Jeff on January 09, 2018, 10:43:15 PM
YEA! It Finished!   Now time to move this one over.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Jeff on January 09, 2018, 11:07:49 PM
The scr is rolling again. The gz gallery file has been moved to the new server and is now extracting.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Jeff on January 09, 2018, 11:21:03 PM
there may be some slowdowns as I tar other directories, bbut they should not be to bad.  I'll need to stop the forum for a little bit soon to make a database back up for testing.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: DR_Buck on January 09, 2018, 11:27:52 PM
...............  I'll need to stop the forum for a little bit soon to make a database back up for testing.



OK,  Go ahead.   I'm going to bed.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Don P on January 09, 2018, 11:55:59 PM
Myself, holler if you need anything, like coffee or grits
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Jeff on January 10, 2018, 01:04:16 AM
Restoring a datbase is a very slow process. Right now I am restoring the test database on the new server. its been running for some time and not very far.  a little over 1%  in a half hour

Database 'forums2' on 'localhost'.
File: forums2_2018_01_09_22_31.sql.gz
Charset: utf8
Up to now 55 of 112 tables were created.
Up to now 130.881 of 12.036.768 records were successfully added.
Now the table 'smf_log_boards' is restoring.

Overall Progress
       1,09 %

Speed
300   
100   50000

28 Minutes 17 Seconds, 154 Page refreshs
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Crusarius on January 10, 2018, 07:20:13 AM
Been there done that. Glad its you :)

Thanks :)

I would be lost without this forum and all my new friends.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Jeff on January 10, 2018, 09:40:10 AM
Update.  Having troubles restoring a back up database on the new server. It ran all night and is still less than 5%.  I may have to do something you guys won't like.  I may have to empty the tables that show what you have read. The smf_board_log and smf_board_topcs together are almost 6,000,000 records.  It takes a lot of data to keep track of where you are in every topic and what you have read and haven't read.  I don't wnt to do it, and I am exploring other options, but be forewarned, it may have to come to that. And it will be twice. Once just to be able to create a backup here to use for testing, then one again when we do the final move.

I'm tired out already and it hasn't hardy began.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Crusarius on January 10, 2018, 09:41:49 AM
give me a reason to find old topics i need to reread :)
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: sandhills on January 10, 2018, 10:46:13 AM
Seeings how I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about with gigs, rams, etc. ect. you have my complete respect and admiration for what you do for all of us.  Go take a nap, don't let the streams cross and don't make us call in doctorb to give you orders  :).  Although a few of us here may go through withdrawls and possibly a seizure or 2 it'll all work out in the end so do what you gotta do, thanks for everything!
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: btulloh on January 10, 2018, 11:01:13 AM
I can live with that.  Seems like a small price to pay for a big benefit.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Jeff on January 10, 2018, 12:30:46 PM
THis attempt has been aborted. I'm having them change the operating sytem and related software versions on the new server. If it takes longer than today, I'll reopen the gallery and just have to back it up again for the next try, but I'd rather not if I can avoid it, as that takes two hours.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Southside logger on January 10, 2018, 01:02:07 PM
When this baby hits 88 MPH you're gonna see some serious ....
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Jeff on January 10, 2018, 01:04:56 PM
They had mysqlI  database system installed.  I spent 12 hour getting that figured out that. Our databases are mysql  ARGH!
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Magicman on January 10, 2018, 01:12:26 PM
And all of this time the Harley picture is saying....."say what" ??
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: thecfarm on January 10, 2018, 02:34:20 PM
As long as I can keep bashing grits,on The Forestry Forum,I don't care what you do.
  :D  :D  :D  :D
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Sheepkeeper on January 10, 2018, 02:45:55 PM
Sometimes it's the little things that trip you up the worst. They shoulda knew that  :D
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: ronwood on January 10, 2018, 02:56:40 PM
The endless issues when trying to update a server. Did your server provider not know what you had on the existing server. Seems that the dropped the ball on that one.
Ron
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: ronwood on January 10, 2018, 02:57:34 PM
harley looks a bit puzzled too!!
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Texas Ranger on January 10, 2018, 03:58:18 PM
As long as I can keep bashing grits,on The Forestry Forum,I don't care what you do.
  :D  :D  :D  :D


Why would you want to bash Girls Raised In The South!  Apparently you have spent very little time in the south, and permafrost has set in.   ;D
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: coxy on January 10, 2018, 04:12:56 PM
As long as I can keep bashing grits,on The Forestry Forum,I don't care what you do.
  :D  :D  :D  :D
8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: thecfarm on January 10, 2018, 05:38:57 PM
GRIT S and grits are 2 diffeant things. Abbreviations are most always in capital letters. WM for one. Many many more.
The space is there to make it in capital letters
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Jeff on January 10, 2018, 05:48:39 PM
whole day gone and im at square one.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Crusarius on January 10, 2018, 06:05:21 PM
at least your still on the board :)
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Southside logger on January 10, 2018, 07:13:30 PM
Jeff,
Probably not much comfort but know that if any of us could help you we all would. Hang in there. Now consider that if you said to me that you need a new server my first thought is that the girl forgot to bring the sweet tea and grits before going on break, so you actually are better off being the Lone Ranger on this one.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: POSTONLT40HD on January 10, 2018, 07:42:52 PM
As long as I can keep bashing grits,on The Forestry Forum,I don't care what you do.
  :D  :D  :D  :D

You will nolonger be able to use the letter "g".
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: 21incher on January 10, 2018, 07:54:22 PM
As long as I can keep bashing grits,on The Forestry Forum,I don't care what you do.
  :D  :D  :D  :D

You will nolonger be able to use the letter "g".
No G would make the Goat an Oat. ;D
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: thecfarm on January 10, 2018, 08:49:33 PM
I will sell the oat a G for $300.  :D
And here's Poor Jeff slaving away so I can have a place to bash grits and we're cracking jokes about a Big G.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Darrel on January 10, 2018, 09:54:42 PM
Keep the jokes coming it's the least we can do. Mi ht cause a smile to wonder across Jeff's poor tired and haggered face. :) :D ;D :laugh:
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Jeff on January 10, 2018, 09:59:59 PM
Tonight I feel utterly defeated. Maybe some sleep will help.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Don P on January 10, 2018, 10:46:44 PM
Turn in dude, we'll have a big batch of polenta waiting in the morning  ;D.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Southside logger on January 10, 2018, 10:52:14 PM
Jeff -

These guys are always good for a laugh, if nothing else Harley can make some new friends. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=76&v=zqyaYYEFjaE
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Jeff on January 11, 2018, 11:24:23 AM
I love the way my mind works some times, and at the same time I hate when it won't work at all.  Last night twice, I woke up with th words in my mouth of "the definition of crazy."  I said it out loud both times.  "the definition of crazy." Nothing more in my head, no  thoughts, no eureka moments.

This morning I thought about this, the definition of crazy. Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

I've had a eureka moment. I think I've worked past my problems. Don't know for sure, but I've got a test database actually compiling this time in a timely fashion.  When it finishes. I can see if I can get a working forum on the new server to test.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Magicman on January 11, 2018, 11:29:25 AM
I like your crazy definition and am optimistic about your eureka moment.    smiley_idea  Hoping for the best.   :P
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: KirkD on January 11, 2018, 11:51:32 AM
I love the way my mind works some times, and at the same time I hate when it won't work at all.  Last night twice, I woke up with th words in my mouth of "the definition of crazy."  I said it out loud both times.  "the definition of crazy." Nothing more in my head, no  thoughts, no eureka moments.

This morning I thought about this, the definition of crazy. Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

I've had a eureka moment. I think I've worked past my problems. Don't know for sure, but I've got a test database actually compiling this time in a timely fashion.  When it finishes. I can see if I can get a working forum on the new server to test.

Reminds me of this old joke

I was walking past a tall wooden fence the other day, you know the kind you see outside a building site. As I walked along beside it I heard chanting coming from behind the fence further up... they were chanting numbers, or rather just one number.

"Thirteen, thirteen, thirteen, thirteen, ..." they excitedly chanted. It sounded like a small crowd, young and old; men, women and children. All of them saying the same number over and over.

As I approached I saw a small hole in the fence just big enough to look through. The hole was right where the sound appeared to be originating from.

So, with the crowd continuing to chant "... thirteen, thirteen, thirteen, thirteen" and it seeming to become more intense as I leaned down to place my eye at the hole and work out what was happening in there.

Just as I put my eye to the hole a small finger like that of a child poked me in the eye and the crowd stared cheered loudly and started chanting again..

"Fourteen, fourteen, fourteen..."
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Jeff on January 11, 2018, 02:43:31 PM
As an update, ran into some more issues with time outs on the way the database was being backed up, loosing part of it. I've worked out how to get past that, so I'm currently trying to restore the test database again on the new server with a backup I now now is complete.   If this works this time, and we end up with a functional test forum,  I may put the forum into maintenance mode tonight and make the actual move.  Lots to do before then. We'l see.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: catalina on January 11, 2018, 02:55:18 PM
Thanks Jeff for struggling thru this .
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Jeff on January 11, 2018, 03:00:54 PM
WE HAVE A TEST FORUM!!
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Jeff on January 11, 2018, 03:03:50 PM
Test on the test forum

and it works.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: sandhills on January 11, 2018, 03:04:54 PM
 8) 8) 8) 
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Jeff on January 11, 2018, 03:43:05 PM
We have a working test forum and a working test gallery. Actually, the gallery is not a test, since I locked it down, it is complete as it is.  I'm now awaiting word from the server farm because I am PITHED OFF!

Looking at the new server running in a command window, I noticed something. It has the same amount of ram as the current server! It was supposed to have twice as much. They may have to take it down to add ram to it. One of the reasons the move was being made is that they deemed we were running out of memory at times. DUH! THEN GIVE ME MORE FLIPPIN MEMORY!
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Jeff on January 11, 2018, 04:16:03 PM
They are taking the server down in a few minutes and doubling the ram.  While I was waiting, I and another clown ran around in the new forum with a can of virtual spray paint.  I posted a political view on the general bord and got warned for major profanity. All is good!   (that will be over written with the move)

But I thought I would copy this from there... (I aint saying who did it)

RAY LOVES grits SO MUCH HE ASKED ME TO SEND HIM A CASE OF IT AND NOT TELL ANY MEMBER ABOUT IT! I'm gonna ship it tomorrow.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: POSTONLT40HD on January 11, 2018, 04:18:28 PM
 :D :D :D :D :D :D i just peed in my fur!  :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Andries on January 11, 2018, 04:30:55 PM
Hey Poston, after you get cleaned up - riddle me this . . .
If JEFF does something rash and agin' the rules, does the Goat take the Boss out to the woodshed?
.... or is that agin' them rules?
 :D
Whoo hooo Jeff, congrats on creating the test site!
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Jeff on January 11, 2018, 04:47:28 PM
much more gooder!
before
top - 15:46:38 up 34 days,  5:58,  2 users,  load average: 0.14, 0.19, 0.18
Tasks: 182 total,   1 running, 181 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
Cpu(s):  7.5%us,  1.0%sy,  0.0%ni, 87.6%id,  3.7%wa,  0.0%hi,  0.1%si,  0.0%st
Mem:   3076328k total,  2915608k used,   160720k free,   115180k buffers
Swap:  1991928k total,    73628k used,  1918300k free,  1665208k cached

after
top - 15:42:03 up 1 min,  1 user,  load average: 0.69, 0.50, 0.20
Tasks: 164 total,   2 running, 162 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
%Cpu(s):  0.0 us,  0.0 sy,  0.0 ni, 99.9 id,  0.1 wa,  0.0 hi,  0.0 si,  0.0 st
KiB Mem:   8186500 total,   390272 used,  7796228 free,    17448 buffers
KiB Swap:  3997692 total,        0 used,  3997692 free.   152068 cached Mem
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: POSTONLT40HD on January 11, 2018, 04:48:17 PM
Hey Poston, after you get cleaned up - riddle me this . . .
If JEFF does something rash and agin' the rules, does the Goat take the Boss out to the woodshed?
.... or is that agin' them rules?
 :D
Whoo hooo Jeff, congrats on creating the test site!

I don't have anything to do with the Wood Shed except the yard. Jeff makes me keep the grass cut and weed eating done. I just try to make it look nice for those that "check in".  ;D
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Jeff on January 11, 2018, 04:58:48 PM
I'm looking at making the live move later this evening. If everything goes as planed, the backup and restore on the other site should take less than two hours. We will then point www.forestryforum.com at the new I.P. address.  I'll put the old forum in permanent maintenance mode when I begin. When you see the forum live again, you can use it as normal.   I will still have the search function and perhaps some other things to sort out, but I can do that in a live environment.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: ronwood on January 11, 2018, 06:08:31 PM
Good job Jeff!
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: lurk on January 11, 2018, 06:12:53 PM
There is a real chance that photo posting may change radically. I'm not exactly sure what to do yet. THe coppermine software that the gallery runs on is not supported by the new versions of php that we have to go to. For awhile, this is going to be a total cluster. I made a comment earlier in the topic. It wasn't concerning my age, it was concerning my ability to think through these tech dilemmas that I used to be able to conquer with relative ease. My mind simply does not work the way it used to and it is concerning to say the least.

Hi all, from a wet and windy UK.

Just noticed this post while perusing the forum. 

I take it you're now running php 7.1 ?  If you still have a test site you could try Coppermine 1.6 this runs on php 7 and is about as stable as it's going to be, due for release soon.  Some of the plugins have yet to be updated but if you're not running too many you might be ok.  Bridges ok with SMF 2.0.15 as well. 
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: thecfarm on January 11, 2018, 06:55:37 PM
bad news. I,thecfarm,Ray,is moving. I will leave no forwarding address. I have my reasons to live the home that I built up to be a great home to me all these years. There is one box that will be leaving with me. It means a lot to me. Kinda like a Christmas present that your MIL gave you,you don't want it,but you have to keep it.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Southside logger on January 12, 2018, 12:11:17 AM
Doc..Doc.... We made it Back to the Future!!! 

Great job Jeff !! 
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Jeff on January 12, 2018, 12:54:21 AM
Well, I think the DNS is propagating as planned and I think I have pretty much everything tidied up at least for now. I'd say theDNS will be fully propagated by morning.   HEY! It is morning!  AGAIN!
Time for me to get some sleep!  I have more Forestry Forum hosted websites to move tomorrow to the new server, as well as try and figure out the search.  Gallery should be good to go!  :)
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: ljohnsaw on January 12, 2018, 02:17:54 AM
Gallery should be good to go!  :)
I tried to upload a couple pictures (same source as usual).  At the end of the upload, the box with the file name that slowly goes blue, changed to red and says "-- Unable to create thumbnail or reduced size image." :-\
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: SwampDonkey on January 12, 2018, 05:04:31 AM
Everything looks good Jeff, but might have to take a look at photo uploading. 

In the upload area it says: "Destination directory ................. is not writable by the script". Something minor I'm sure. ;)
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Al_Smith on January 12, 2018, 06:19:53 AM
I haven't tried the picture thing for a couple of years simply because I have a touch of computer ADD or something .In other words my patience level when it comes to computers is limited to about microseconds .However if there are improvements I'll give it a shot again if I find it warrants a picture .Thank you in advance .
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: thecfarm on January 12, 2018, 06:34:19 AM
All is working fine,with what I am doing. Good job!!
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: mad murdock on January 12, 2018, 06:43:10 AM
Congratulations on the move!!! Nice job Jeff!
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: TKehl on January 12, 2018, 07:18:47 AM
WOOT!

Good job and thanks for all the work you do Jeff! 
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Magicman on January 12, 2018, 07:19:16 AM
I tried to upload pictures: 
Quote
-- Destination directory albums/userpics/20011/ is not writable by the script!

So there is some more tweaking to do with the Gallery.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Don P on January 12, 2018, 07:41:57 AM
Good show Jeff, I know that weren't fun
We connected  ;)
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Jeff on January 12, 2018, 08:29:58 AM
Gallery should be good to go!  :)
I tried to upload a couple pictures (same source as usual).  At the end of the upload, the box with the file name that slowly goes blue, changed to red and says "-- Unable to create thumbnail or reduced size image." :-\

There were some settings on the old server that I had tweaked over time. One of them being the allowable file size for upload I went in on this server this morning and edited the default. I think that was the problem. Someone give it a try
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: DR_Buck on January 12, 2018, 08:36:03 AM
There were some settings on the old server that I had tweaked over time. One of them being the allowable file size for upload I went in on this server this morning and edited the default. I think that was the problem. Someone give it a try


Works
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: DanG on January 12, 2018, 08:54:49 AM
Congrats on the smooth transition, Jeff.  It appears to have been less painful than some of the previous ones.  Good job!  :)
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Jeff on January 12, 2018, 08:59:26 AM
It was actually pretty rough on my end, but I had learned from experience how to keep that from translating to the live environment.

Thank you for the thank yous. :)
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Magicman on January 12, 2018, 09:02:17 AM
Everything that I have tried is up and running.  Three pictures added in the "Magic Bucks" topic.   8)
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Darrel on January 12, 2018, 09:06:27 AM
 8) I like it  8)

Thanks Jeff!
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: coxy on January 12, 2018, 09:17:06 AM
thanks jeff   8) 8)     dont shoot me but is it easer to post pics now or is it the same  ;D
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Magicman on January 12, 2018, 09:24:14 AM
It's still easy.   ;D
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Jeff on January 12, 2018, 09:26:18 AM
BANG! 

Its always been easy. Obviously, because I had to move over a quarter million images.

Some people learning to tie your shoes is hard, once they do it a couple times, they see it as easy.  First work on your shoes, then work on the photo posting ;) :D
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Magicman on January 12, 2018, 09:29:33 AM
coxy don't wear shoes??   :o

How you keep da snow from between your toes  ???
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: POSTONLT40HD on January 12, 2018, 09:38:07 AM
I miss the old server already.  :'( :'( :'(

It was as if we were one.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: ljohnsaw on January 12, 2018, 09:47:10 AM
Jeff, thanks!  The upload now works (for me).

Next step - the Insert Link button does not seem to work.  Had to copy the img code to the post.

On Search, it takes you to the first post.  It used to take you to the last post of a thread. :-\
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Jeff on January 12, 2018, 09:49:36 AM
 

 (http://www.forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/3362/icey_woods.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1299947220)
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Jeff on January 12, 2018, 09:50:29 AM
Seems to work for me. Clear your cache. Could be the new dns is messing you up.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: SwampDonkey on January 12, 2018, 10:00:14 AM
You da man Boss, you need some 'me' time now.  8)
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Jeff on January 12, 2018, 10:08:33 AM
We have search now. We will see how it works. I created an index for the SMF internal search to work.We were using sphinx search, a third party software, but Ive not been able to get that configured correctly yet.  We may have plnty of RAM now tohandle the out of the box search. We'll see.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Don P on January 12, 2018, 10:27:11 AM
It seems to be settled down for me. It was a little glitchy first thing this morning, I suspect it was which path the packets where taking through the net as it learned where the new server is  ??? My computer expertise is limited to, pull your punch if'n you don't want a new one.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Weekend_Sawyer on January 12, 2018, 10:54:33 AM
I'm here!

Ahhhh, I love that new server smell...
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: PC-Urban-Sawyer on January 12, 2018, 11:12:37 AM

...
I don't have anything to do with the Wood Shed except the yard. Jeff makes me keep the grass cut and weed eating done. ...

Some goats will do anything for a meal!
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Kbeitz on January 12, 2018, 11:23:19 AM
seems to be working great here...
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Magicman on January 12, 2018, 11:42:52 AM
I have done about everything that I regularly do such as pictures, search, links, etc.  All OK.   :)
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Jeff on January 12, 2018, 12:02:15 PM
For those of you on tablets., let me know if this worked. With the updates I was able to acheie something that may make reading the forum easier on those.  If it works right, the sponsors will jump from the side, making the forum wider, and move to the bottom.

Is it working for you?
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: sawguy21 on January 12, 2018, 12:11:50 PM
I was getting a little nervous, all this geek stuff is way over my head. I am glad it worked relatively pain free and with little disruption. Well done Jeff!!
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: 21incher on January 12, 2018, 12:36:56 PM
Wow, it logged me in in a little over a second and seems snappy now. Thanks Jeff. 8)
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Larry on January 12, 2018, 12:38:31 PM
Job well done! 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)

Thanks :)
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Southside logger on January 12, 2018, 01:03:19 PM
I am on my phone and the sponsors are at the bottom.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: coxy on January 12, 2018, 01:28:41 PM
coxy don't wear shoes??   :o

How you keep da snow from between your toes  ???
did you ever see anyone wear shoes with a bikini  8)
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Jeff on January 12, 2018, 01:34:27 PM
I do.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Magicman on January 12, 2018, 01:46:11 PM
Better than not!   :o

On my phone, regular view and the sponsors are at the bottom.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: POSTONLT40HD on January 12, 2018, 02:21:26 PM
I wear heels with a dress.

My phone, lap top and iPad are working great on the FF.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Texas Ranger on January 12, 2018, 02:54:34 PM
I wear heels with a dress.

There is an image I can do without!   :o
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: ronwood on January 12, 2018, 03:07:38 PM
A goat with heels and a dress. A sight to behold!!
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: 21incher on January 12, 2018, 04:02:22 PM
For those of you on tablets., let me know if this worked. With the updates I was able to acheie something that may make reading the forum easier on those.  If it works right, the sponsors will jump from the side, making the forum wider, and move to the bottom.

Is it working for you?
It it working great on my Samsung tab A tablet. It is so great to have the full width , makes everything less distracting and easy to read. Having bigger tabs for the sponsors makes them easier to find and click on. Plenty of room for more sponsors now. The smileys open in a new full tab now that makes it easier to pick one. I am using firefox Thanks Jeff  smiley_thumbsup
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: bushmechanic on January 12, 2018, 04:25:29 PM
Good to hear that all went well in the transfer Jeff, hats off to ya man! A scene in a Star Trek movie comes to my mind where Scotty picks up the mouse and says to it "hello computer"  :D
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Ken on January 12, 2018, 05:01:17 PM
Jeff
Glad to hear that the upgrades went well.  Thanks so much for all the work you and others put into this forum.  One of the few places on the web that I visit regularly. 

Cheers
Ken
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Kbeitz on January 12, 2018, 05:39:40 PM
Just think... In a few years you can do it all over again....
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: coxy on January 12, 2018, 06:04:46 PM
I do.
cant imagine that sight  :D :-X
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Magicman on January 12, 2018, 07:24:31 PM
I wear heels with a dress.
Be careful what you wish for.....
 

 (http://www.forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/20011/poston.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1515802997)
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: PC-Urban-Sawyer on January 12, 2018, 07:54:30 PM
And I thought that picture had disintegrated into pixel dust over these many years. Some things can't be unseen after you have been exposed to them...

Herb
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Jeff on January 12, 2018, 07:58:47 PM
WHICH CHILD WAS IT HE WAS EXPECTING?
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Magicman on January 12, 2018, 08:40:03 PM
It as just a kid.   
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: thecfarm on January 12, 2018, 08:42:44 PM
Most have twins.  ;D
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: POSTONLT40HD on January 12, 2018, 09:24:50 PM
I was smuggling grits under my shirt.    :D
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Magicman on January 12, 2018, 09:47:26 PM
I was smuggling grits under my skirt.
Say What??   :o
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Marty on January 12, 2018, 09:47:49 PM
Good job Jeff!!! WOW itís FAST!!!
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Darrel on January 12, 2018, 10:05:48 PM
On my tablet I like to use the full sight just because it more like my PC, but on my phone it is much better with the ads at the bottom.

Am I the only one that isn't getting notifications?  For example, this thread had two pages of replies after I visited it this morning and there was no notification in my in box.  I'm hoping that once I've opened a thread that I'll start getting notifications. We'll see.

Once again, thanks Jeff for all your hard work.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Jeff on January 12, 2018, 10:47:48 PM
There should be notifications now. I think.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Woodcutter_Mo on January 13, 2018, 12:29:03 AM
 Everything seems to be working good here on my Android phone  :)

 
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: btulloh on January 13, 2018, 07:48:13 AM
I like the way it works on the tablet now.  All good on all things.  Good job.  Thanks for all your hard work Jeff.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Grizzly on January 13, 2018, 12:03:45 PM
I went on a roadtrip with my son............... I come back to a whole new system and I missed all the fun! I like that.

Thanks Jeff.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: wesdor on January 13, 2018, 07:08:00 PM
Just returned from a week in the mountains of Colorado. When I needed to login again I knew you had made the move! 

Sure looks nice.  Thanks for all the hard work.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Onthesauk on January 13, 2018, 07:46:42 PM
Much quicker in the evenings.  Use to bog down a bit late afternoon/evening. :)
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Kbeitz on January 13, 2018, 08:07:34 PM
First time I got this message....


 

 (http://www.forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/39553/error~1.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1515892042)
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Jeff on January 13, 2018, 08:51:13 PM
You posted in that thread, you posted in this thread, and you accompanied it with a photo.  I'm not concerned. :)
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: rjwoelk on January 13, 2018, 10:23:13 PM
I like the wide format easier to read through my bifickles.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Al_Smith on January 14, 2018, 08:42:57 AM
 :D I had to go on a hunt for my password because I've auto connected for years .It must be okay I'm still here .
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: stumpy on January 14, 2018, 12:10:22 PM
I'm sure you're busy so no need to rush a response.  I can log in on firefox but not safari
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Jeff on January 14, 2018, 01:33:28 PM
i can offer no support for safari. No clue. I would say dump all rwmp files as a suggestion.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: POSTONLT40HD on January 14, 2018, 01:36:24 PM
i can offer no support for safari. No clue. I would say dump all rwmp files as a suggestion.

STUMPY,

I 'm running Safari on my Macs. I've not had any problems. The only thing I had to do was, last night....
had to log back in to FF on all my devices.
Make sure you have updated to 11.2.2
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Peter Drouin on January 14, 2018, 01:50:24 PM
I had to log in too, now I can put pix in my gallery but can't post them in a thread.
All looks the same here, posting like I use to,
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Jeff on January 14, 2018, 02:36:57 PM
You mean you can't put them in with one click. You certainly my can still put them in a post.
(http://www.forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/20180113_214408.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1515958568)
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: stumpy on January 14, 2018, 02:43:47 PM
No Problem, I can use Firefox.  Just thought you'd like to know.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Planman1954 on January 14, 2018, 03:33:20 PM
Hi Jeff! I have a question. Is it too much trouble to go back to 10 pages of recent posts vs. the 5 we have now? I donít log on as often, and I know I miss a lot. Just a question...no criticism. Thanks.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: thecfarm on January 14, 2018, 03:53:06 PM
I have to use this now.

Instructions: Click on code below to highlight, then right click and select copy (Ctrl c). This will copy the code below to your "clipboard". You may now paste this code where ever you would like the above photo to appear when making your post.


(http://www.forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10436/thecfarmbarefieldjan1418.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1515962765)

Than when I preview it is there.
I can not use the button that says,Insert Image In Post.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Klicker on January 14, 2018, 04:06:57 PM
Is there an easy way to delete photos that are not used in post. As loading the same photo when trying to learn how to load and post photos. Some of us still have a hard time tying our boots :D
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: thecfarm on January 14, 2018, 04:11:33 PM
Well yes and no.
You have to make sure the picture you are deleting is not the one you used in a post. There is a delete button when you click onto to post a pictures. I think there are more when you edit one too.

 BUT you have to make sure that picture does not have a link to a post.  :P   :P  and  :P
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Klicker on January 14, 2018, 04:30:49 PM
Is there a way to tell what one was use in a post :-\
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Magicman on January 14, 2018, 04:42:16 PM
Kinda.  Go to the reply where you posted a picture, click on "Modify", you can now see the file# of the picture that you posted.
 

 (http://www.forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/20011/RC6.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1397438723)
I am not having any problems posting pictures.   :)
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Jeff on January 14, 2018, 04:46:09 PM
Hi Jeff! I have a question. Is it too much trouble to go back to 10 pages of recent posts vs. the 5 we have now? I donít log on as often, and I know I miss a lot. Just a question...no criticism. Thanks.

I just went and looked as I can still access the old forum. There has been no change in what it was. It is 5 at the old forum too.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: thecfarm on January 14, 2018, 05:43:06 PM
MM,just trying to help others.
 Lucky I can do as much as I can with my dinosaur computer. Might have to swap to another system. Google map don't like me. Facebook always has something to say and youtube is wondering about me too.  ;D
BUT,I have not tried to reset anything yet either. Most times this thing gets reset daily.  ;D
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Magicman on January 14, 2018, 06:00:26 PM
But I still like you.   ;D
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: POSTONLT40HD on January 14, 2018, 06:26:14 PM

........now I can put pix in my gallery but can't post them in a thread.


No picture? It didn't happen!     :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: DDW_OR on January 14, 2018, 06:57:38 PM
Alamo lake, AZ    2009


 (http://www.forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/27421/Alamo_lake_2009.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1515973905)
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: caudlefarm on January 14, 2018, 07:40:51 PM
Quote from: Planman1954 link=topic=99320.msg1541351#msg1541351
date=1515962000

Hi Jeff! I have a question. Is it too much trouble to go back to 10 pages of recent posts vs. the 5 we have now? I donít log on as often, and I know I miss a lot. Just a question...no criticism. Thanks.

I just went and looked as I can still access the old forum. There has been no change in what it was. It is 5 at the old forum too.

Jeff

10 pages would be good if not to much trouble. Get behind sometimes

Thanks Lesley
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Jeff on January 14, 2018, 08:05:51 PM

Jeff

10 pages would be good if not to much trouble. Get behind sometimes

Thanks Lesley


I've looked into this before, and I want to quote my findings from one of the software engineers that designed and developed our software when someone else was insisting they help him do what you guys are asking for.


I don't think that you understand what you are asking for.

The "recent posts" request is one of the most "expensive" database requests (in terms of server processing power)
This has been PURPOSEFULLY limited to avoid overloading servers... and having people's accounts suspended by hosts for overuse of shared system resources.

We don't have to worry about accounts suspended here, because this is not a shared server, it is OUR server, however, we don't want to have it stall out because we increased the load on something we should not tinker with.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Peter Drouin on January 15, 2018, 06:54:19 AM
Just tried to put a pix here.
Tried a bunch of ways no go.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Darrel on January 15, 2018, 09:49:46 AM
Ok, I'll try.

Clicked "insert image in post" nothing happened.

Copied and pasted.
(http://www.forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/35121/image~40.jpeg?easyrotate_cache=1516027526)

Using Safari on my iPad.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Jeff on January 15, 2018, 09:56:10 AM
 

 (http://www.forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/20170101_191708.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1483317012)

It has to be something cached in your computers referring to the old server or something. I put this in with a click. Others have as well.  THe work around is certainly just to copy and paste the code into the post.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: Darrel on January 15, 2018, 10:27:26 AM
I'll try again after clearing all things cached.

Nope.

I'll try one more thing.

 

 (http://www.forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/35121/image~41.jpeg?easyrotate_cache=1516029435)

Yup!
What I had to do was go to safari settings and clear cache and history then restart my iPad.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: POSTONLT40HD on January 15, 2018, 04:52:12 PM
This is a test post. Administrator can delete if you wish.

I posted pics as usual from my Mac using Safari.

 

 (http://www.forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/24625/IMG_3131.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1398812064)
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: btulloh on January 15, 2018, 06:12:16 PM
test - PC/Windows7/Chrome

 

 (http://www.forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/39962/Wray_pine_logs_07.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1472908107)

Worked using "Insert image into post" just like it did before.  It didn't work the first time though.  It did work on the second try.
 
Title: Re: IMPORTANT FORUM ANNOUNCMENT
Post by: btulloh on January 15, 2018, 06:14:00 PM
I hope I don't catch whatever POSTON's log has got. That thing is funky.