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Title: 2017 Possible Trip
Post by: GAB on February 20, 2017, 02:23:21 PM
To All FF members especially those in Western Canada & the Northern U. S.

We, my wife and I, are in the planning stage of a summer trip.  The primary objective was to be above the Arctic Circle (AC) for the longest daylight day (6/21) of this year either in Alaska, YT or NWT.

My thinking was that there should be a campground in close proximity of the AC.  I have since been informed that that is not a good idea to try a get that close to the N. Pole towing a travel trailer, (maybe that is why Santa Clause flies) because of the roads and the long distances between fuel stations.

If we change our objective to just getting above the AC, do any of you have any recommendations on what we can expect.  Also do any of you have suggestions of touristy places to visit, forget zoos.
Any warnings or cautions we need to be aware of would be appreciated.

Some of the secondary and tertiary objectives would be to visit a few FF members and hopefully see a bevel sider up close and possibly in use.

The current preliminary plan is to go through Que., Ont. and the western provinces on the way west and north.  From above the AC down through BC, WA, OR, ID, WY, SD, ND, MN, WI, the UP, MI, I-75 to I-90 to I-87 and then the back roads home.

Gerald
Title: Re: 2017 Possible Trip
Post by: pabst79 on February 20, 2017, 02:50:06 PM
Your trip sounds like an awesome adventure, getting that far North is on my bucket for sure. I don't know if the travel has improved but 10 years ago a family friend went on a guided tour up that way, I remember him saying something about big buses with swamp tires? I think a trailer could really cause you trouble, I've never been further North then mid Manitoba or Saskatchewan and we've had plenty of troubles over the years with trailers (bent axles, burned up bearings etc.) so many washboarded sand and dirt roads. If you get there make sure to get a picture with Santa!  :snowball: :)
Title: Re: 2017 Possible Trip
Post by: Magicman on February 20, 2017, 02:55:25 PM
We spent the night of June 20, 1997 at the Arctic Circle on the Dalton Highway.


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There was no campground as such, but there was a sorta rest area that was plenty large enough for several vehicles, RV's or trucks.  We were in a 26' Class C motorhome and had no real issues.  Just take it slowly on the Dalton/Haul Road and give the trucks plenty of room.


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We got certificates verifying our accomplishment.


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Heck, I even bought a cap.   ;D

We drove from Fairbanks to the AC, watched the sun not set about "midnight", slept a bit, and then drove back.

Be aware that from about Dawson Creek North, it never really gets dark so get some darkening window shades unless you like to sleep in the daytime.
Title: Re: 2017 Possible Trip
Post by: Gearbox on February 20, 2017, 02:59:51 PM
MM don't miss Dawson city Yucon .
Title: Re: 2017 Possible Trip
Post by: GAB on February 20, 2017, 03:33:33 PM
Quote from: Gearbox on February 20, 2017, 02:59:51 PM
MM don't miss Dawson city Yucon .

Gearbox Sir:
You have gotten my curiosity aroused by your statement.
Is there something there that I should put on to do list of items,
or is it so small that if I sneeze I'll miss the entire city.
Gerald
Title: Re: 2017 Possible Trip
Post by: GAB on February 20, 2017, 03:51:53 PM
Quote from: pabst79 on February 20, 2017, 02:50:06 PM
Your trip sounds like an awesome adventure, getting that far North is on my bucket for sure. I don't know if the travel has improved but 10 years ago a family friend went on a guided tour up that way, I remember him saying something about big buses with swamp tires? I think a trailer could really cause you trouble, I've never been further North then mid Manitoba or Saskatchewan and we've had plenty of troubles over the years with trailers (bent axles, burned up bearings etc.) so many washboarded sand and dirt roads. If you get there make sure to get a picture with Santa!  :snowball: :)

My plan is to pick up the new-to-me travel trailer in mid-April and get the brakes checked, the bearings changed and put on some "D" rated tires.  I'm told those are the highest ply rated tires available in that tire size.  Also I bought another tire so I will have 2 spares for the trailer.

Now according to the sign with MM & Pat, the AC starts at 66* 33' latitude and I always thought that Santa's domicile was in a building with the epicenter such that all sides faced South and if a bear walks by it is white.  I was not planning on going that far North.

The camera is on the list of things to bring, but I'll probably forget that I've got it, so do not put your hopes up.
Gerald



Title: Re: 2017 Possible Trip
Post by: Magicman on February 20, 2017, 05:30:52 PM
Actually the city of North Pole, AK is just South of Fairbanks.   ;D

If we ever make the trip again, we will go North from Whitehorse to Dawson City and then follow the Top of the World highway to Tok.  We missed that loop last time.
Title: Re: 2017 Possible Trip
Post by: Andries on February 20, 2017, 11:14:23 PM
MM, did you mean "Tuk"?
That's the slang for Tuktoyaktuk, Northwest Territories.
I don't think that the road has been completed to Tuk just yet - thats due to happen this fall/winter.
Us Canuks call it the Dempster Highway - from Dawson City to Inuvik is about 450 miles, through some of the most beautiful country imaginable.
I spent my first five years as a Federal biologist out of Aklavik (Google maps is your friend) doing fish and wildlife surveys. Good memories.
If you make the trip GAB, you'll have an experience very few others have had.
It was a while ago, some of my buddies may remember me . . .
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Title: Re: 2017 Possible Trip
Post by: Brucer on February 21, 2017, 01:29:37 AM
Quote from: GAB on February 20, 2017, 03:51:53 PM
... I always thought that Santa's domicile was in a building with the epicenter such that all sides faced South and if a bear walks by it is white.  I was not planning on going that far North.

That's good, 'cause in the summer the white bears would be swimming by (and so would you)  :D :D.

The white bears consider humans to be prey. Seriously.
Title: Re: 2017 Possible Trip
Post by: Brucer on February 21, 2017, 01:54:15 AM
... and Gerald, we live just north of the Washington-BC border in the interior. The road south goes all the way down to Spokane, WA if you are headed in that general direction. Come on by if you're going to be in this neck of the woods.
Title: Re: 2017 Possible Trip
Post by: GAB on February 21, 2017, 08:24:05 AM
Quote from: Brucer on February 21, 2017, 01:54:15 AM
... and Gerald, we live just north of the Washington-BC border in the interior. The road south goes all the way down to Spokane, WA if you are headed in that general direction. Come on by if you're going to be in this neck of the woods.

Thanks for the invite.
The route has not been determined yet, however I have a cousin that I believe is in Vancouver, and my wife has a cousin on the western side of Oregon that are on the visit list.  I'll have to pull out the maps and see where you are before making a final decision.
Gerald
Title: Re: 2017 Possible Trip
Post by: Magicman on February 21, 2017, 08:43:15 AM
No Andries, I meant Tok, AK.  It's North (actually West) of where the Taylor Hwy (5) intersects with the Alaskan Hwy (2).  The Taylor Hwy is called the Top of the World Hwy and goes through Chicken.

Gerald, be sure to carry a sign to post at the Watson Lake Signpost Forest (http://www.watsonlake.ca/our-community/sign-post-forest/).  We have one there somewhere??
Title: Re: 2017 Possible Trip
Post by: Andries on February 21, 2017, 10:52:03 AM
MM: gotcha.
Towards Alaska from Dawson, and here I was thinking from Dawson North to the Arctic Ocean.

Gerald, Gearbox might be thinking that you'd enjoy Dawson because it was the home of the Klondike Gold Rush, back in the day.
It's kept a historical look, and is very tourist friendly in the summer, book ahead if you can.
Old time saloons, Klondike Kate's and Diamond Tooth Gerties' are big attractions, with 'Family' rated shows of 1890's barroom dancers. Old steamboats were pulled up on the river banks and there's plenty to see and do for a few days.
Couple of notes on Northern travel;
- The further North you go, the more gravel roads are the norm.
- Mud flaps and a trailer protector (looks like a floor broom hanging from the hitch) keep your trailer from getting that sandblasted look.
- Distances between gas stations increase, the further North you go.
- Fuel prices here in the Prairies are just under a buck per litre. But the the USD$ is worth about 25 - 30% more than our CAD$ 'metric' bucks.
- Cell service in Southern Canada is pretty much the same as what you get in the Northern States. Further North into BC and Alberta, gets spotty.
- Canadian Border people expect you to have a passport, and that you've left any firearms at home.
- "My thinking was that there should be a campground in close proximity of the Arctic Circle". Lynn has the camping experience, mine is based on work travel. . . but from what I've seen, where you pull off the highway is where your campground is.

If your plans include passing through Winnipeg, MB. there's a standing invitation for you and yours.  ;D
Title: Re: 2017 Possible Trip
Post by: GAB on February 21, 2017, 11:42:32 AM
Andries:
Thanks for all the information.
My plan was to go through or around Winnipeg.  So yes I will take you up on your offer.
Again thanks,
Gerald
Title: Re: 2017 Possible Trip
Post by: Raider Bill on February 21, 2017, 12:06:02 PM
Last year a rider I know tried to pass through Canada on his way to the Arctic Circle. Because of a 91 DWI conviction here in the US he was not allowed entry.

He was riding with a group of 4 / 2 up bikes and had to turn back.

The Arctic Circle is on my bucket list. Was all set to make the trip a few years ago but spent my "gas" money on more land in Tenn. Now the plan is to do it with a friend when we turn 65 in 2 years.
Title: Re: 2017 Possible Trip
Post by: Andries on February 21, 2017, 03:28:39 PM
Yeah. International Borders can be like that.
Back in the Seventies, show up with long hair and a drivers license and a couple questions later, you're good to go.
Times have changed.

Bill; you're talking about a 3000 mi. round trip on bikes.
That's one Heck of a trip!
Jake Dean might be up for the adventure too, 150 hours of high speed dirt biking in clean air might tempt . . .   ;)
Title: Re: 2017 Possible Trip
Post by: Magicman on February 21, 2017, 04:54:39 PM
When we went the weather was not always clear and the dust treatment on the roads made a mess with vehicles.  Just me, but a motorcycle would not be my choice mode of transportation.
Title: Re: 2017 Possible Trip
Post by: Raider Bill on February 21, 2017, 05:41:08 PM
Quote from: Andries on February 21, 2017, 03:28:39 PM
Yeah. International Borders can be like that.
Back in the Seventies, show up with long hair and a drivers license and a couple questions later, you're good to go.
Times have changed.

Bill; you're talking about a 3000 mi. round trip on bikes.
That's one Heck of a trip!
Jake Dean might be up for the adventure too, 150 hours of high speed dirt biking in clean air might tempt . . .   ;)
Quote from: Magicman on February 21, 2017, 04:54:39 PM
When we went the weather was not always clear and the dust treatment on the roads made a mess with vehicles.  Just me, but a motorcycle would not be my choice mode of transportation.

I ride a bike more than a car or my pickup. All part of the journey... This bike trip has been in my dreams for many years.

About as short a trip there is according to google maps is just a tad over 5200 miles or 84hrs one way drive time from here in beautiful sunny Largo, Florida to the Arctic Circle sign north of Fairbanks AK. That's car time, solid driving. On a bike and not going such a direct route I figure 3-4 weeks stopping at interesting places and freeloading off FF friends along the way ;)  ;D. Coming back I'd put the bike on a ferry in Anchorage and sail south, recovering my sore body to Seattle/Vancouver area then ride along the west coast of Washington, Oregon, and California. Somewhere along the route I'd cut back east. I've never been to Vegas and don't want to miss the Grand Canyon or Utah so I'd just wander back home hitting whatever spots along the way. Probably figure 6-8 week total.

Figure 12-14k miles, 5-8 weeks, set of tires, couple oil changes, pocket full of cash/plastic personality and a tall bottle of unscented monkey butt powder.
Title: Re: 2017 Possible Trip
Post by: Magicman on February 21, 2017, 07:38:27 PM
We crossed the border into Alaska on our 10th day of travel, and the total trip was a bit over 13K miles.
Title: Re: 2017 Possible Trip
Post by: GAB on February 21, 2017, 08:47:33 PM
MM:
I pull out the YT, BC, & AK maps and sure enough I found Tok and Chicken.  I am going to try and see both.  I hope I do not sneeze as one of those the map said population 24.

Bill:
I would not go on a motorcycle as I like more metal around me when I travel.  If you go by bike I would suggest at least one spare tire if not two and tools enough to fix a flat.

As an FYI: One of my uncles got pulled over at a border crossing (US side) because they detected nuclear radiation.  He had had a nuclear stress test a few days before.
Gerald

Title: Re: 2017 Possible Trip
Post by: Magicman on February 21, 2017, 09:57:45 PM
A copy of the Milepost (https://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=milepost+2017&tag=mh0b-20&index=aps&hvadid=14304871227&hvqmt=e&hvbmt=be&hvdev=c&ref=pd_sl_3j0mkvonzn_e) is not an option, it is required. http://www.themilepost.com/
Title: Re: 2017 Possible Trip
Post by: Raider Bill on February 22, 2017, 07:55:35 AM
Quote from: Magicman on February 21, 2017, 09:57:45 PM
A copy of the Milepost (https://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=milepost+2017&tag=mh0b-20&index=aps&hvadid=14304871227&hvqmt=e&hvbmt=be&hvdev=c&ref=pd_sl_3j0mkvonzn_e) is not an option, it is required. http://www.themilepost.com/
I buy a copy every year, and dream.
A good friend made the trip from here a couple years ago. He did it on a Valkyrie pulling a trailer.
Title: Re: 2017 Possible Trip
Post by: sandhills on February 22, 2017, 12:35:37 PM
 

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Made one of the trips with my uncle when I was 14 (I think) in his '55, he's gone now and last summer I had to get it ready for his son to take it back up there for it's final trip, I'll miss it  :-\ but never forget that trip, ours was only 2500 miles or so.  Have a great trip Gerald!

Title: Re: 2017 Possible Trip
Post by: Andries on February 22, 2017, 01:24:38 PM
That truck has a super impressive log book.
Wow! She's a survivor.
Back in the seventies the crawler loaders repairing the road outnumbered the vehicles.

Summer in the North is fun, with 24 hrs daylight.
Ever wonder what passes for fun when its dark 24 hrs a day?

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/02/19/yukon-hair-freezing_n_14862220.html

Fun is where you find it . . .
Title: Re: 2017 Possible Trip
Post by: Andries on June 06, 2017, 10:33:30 PM
Seems that this trip is no longer a "Possible' trip - GAB and his lovely wife are on the road.
They've made it to the 'Great Frozen Yonder' as WDH likes to say.
From Northern Vermont to Winnipeg, Manitoba. Canada.
Teea and I brought him a bottle of red wine, and he presented us with a jug of . . . maple syrup!
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The four of us had a fine visit in their spanking new camper trailer, and compared notes on milling and the Forum. He especially enjoyed the Great Grits Caper of 2014. Check it out under "Crime Does Pay", by the very well known MagicMan.

His next port of call is Lumsden, Saskatchewan. @jrwoelk is next on his list of Western Canadian Forumites to visit - enroute to ( ;D not making this up) Frostfoot, Alaska.

Wishing GAB and Michelena many happy days on their adventure!
Title: Re: 2017 Possible Trip
Post by: GAB on June 07, 2017, 08:11:08 AM
Quote from: Andries on June 06, 2017, 10:33:30 PM
Seems that this trip is no longer a "Possible' trip - GAB and his lovely wife are on the road.
They've made it to the 'Great Frozen Yonder' as WDH likes to say.
From Northern Vermont to Winnipeg, Manitoba. Canada.
Teea and I brought him a bottle of red wine, and he presented us with a jug of . . . maple syrup!
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/19307/20170605_200622.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1496775213)
The four of us had a fine visit in their spanking new camper trailer, and compared notes on milling and the Forum. He especially enjoyed the Great Grits Caper of 2014. Check it out under "Crime Does Pay", by the very well known MagicMan.

His next port of call is Lumsden, Saskatchewan. @jrwoelk is next on his list of Western Canadian Forumites to visit - enroute to ( ;D not making this up) Frostfoot, Alaska.

Wishing GAB and Michelena many happy days on their adventure!

Got an email from RJ yesterday that said he is in Winnepeg and will not be home so we will not be visiting with him on this trip.  We are now headed to Spiritwood and then Lacombe, AB.
Frostfoot might be a better name for Coldfoot, AK.

To WDH for your information they are starting to thaw as the deciduous trees have leaves on them.
Gerald @ approx. 6:10 AM Indian Head, SK. time





Title: Re: 2017 Possible Trip
Post by: sawguy21 on June 07, 2017, 02:02:26 PM
Quote from: Brucer on February 21, 2017, 01:54:15 AM
... and Gerald, we live just north of the Washington-BC border in the interior. The road south goes all the way down to Spokane, WA if you are headed in that general direction. Come on by if you're going to be in this neck of the woods.
If you come through the Okanagan you will pass within sight of our front door. Coffee is always on.
Title: Re: 2017 Possible Trip
Post by: Grizzly on June 08, 2017, 11:38:21 AM
Well, Gerald and Mic..... I guess we never learned how to spell Mike for her......... are off and away to Lacombe to Bandmill Bandit. Was sure good to meet new folks and chat a while. Interesting how we normally would not be so open to having strangers in the yard but communication here on the forum allows us to know a little about folks and simply have a good time together. I saw them taking pictures so if you expect to see any it'll come from them. I was too busy enjoying the visit.

Lyle

And to future folks. Don't be allowing Gerald to teach your children how to fool Dad!!!   ;) :D
Title: Re: 2017 Possible Trip
Post by: Percy on June 29, 2017, 12:46:05 AM
Update. Gerald AKA GAB and his wife Mike popped in to my millsite today at quitting time. Awesome folks. I showed them around a bit but for the most part, we just GABbed. Some irony there  ;D ;D Like Andries, I got a jar of syrup too. Mike says its for grits, helps lube up the sand in your teeth texture of grits. I think i'll just put it on my sardines like most folks...or maybe pancakes even...Ya thats it. :D :D

Happy journeys Gerald and Mike. Was an honour  to meet you.
Title: Re: 2017 Possible Trip
Post by: GAB on June 29, 2017, 09:40:22 PM
Quote from: Percy on June 29, 2017, 12:46:05 AM
Update. Gerald AKA GAB and his wife Mike popped in to my millsite today at quitting time. Awesome folks. I showed them around a bit but for the most part, we just GABbed. Some irony there  ;D ;D Like Andries, I got a jar of syrup too. Mike says its for grits, helps lube up the sand in your teeth texture of grits. I think i'll just put it on my sardines like most folks...or maybe pancakes even...Ya thats it. :D :D

Happy journeys Gerald and Mike. Was an honour  to meet you.

Thank you for the tour and the time you alloted us.
Tonight we are on RT 97 just S. of Prince George.
Gerald
Title: Re: 2017 Possible Trip
Post by: GAB on August 27, 2017, 07:17:58 PM
To all who are curious about our trip I offer the following:
We left on 6/2 and returned after the Pig Roast on 8/7.
We took nearly 3700 pictures and none after the PR.
We spent almost $3700 (US) on fuel for the truck.
Me thinks that if Ontario 17 was straightened and leveled there would be enough road material left over to go from Sudbury to Moose Factory.  The only question would be how wide it would be.  I personally do not recommend this road to any one in a hurry, or towing a travel trailer.
We visited with Andries, Grizzly, Bandmill Bandit, Lyle Niemi, DGK, Parker Rittgers, Percy, Goose63, Trapper and Glassman_48.  All good down to earth folks with different backgrounds, educations, work experiences etc. Not a one in the group I would not want as a neighbor.
We took a side trip to Fort Laird as I desired to set foot in the NWT.  Saw a lot of Bison on the road side and a few black bears.
We did stop at the Sign Post Forest.  No, we did not have a sign to leave with us.
I would have liked to spend more time there however it was raining and the skeeters were very blood thirsty.
At DGK's I got to see his Logosol running producing siding.  I especially liked his waste bin for the Logosol - a shipping container.
From DGK's we went to Dawson City and stayed two nights.  The buildings do have the Klondike days facades and their sidewalks are also wooden.
From Dawson City we headed for the Top of the World Highway.  It is narrow just like a country lane and instead of the ditches being 1 to 2 feet deep the drop off is 1 to 2 miles.  Now I know that my eyeballs are not calibrated but it looked awful deep to me.  We crossed back into the U.S. at the most northerly land border port in the USA where the sign said population 3, then onto Chicken and then Tok on the way to Fairbanks.
Folk lore has it that when the elders of Chicken convened for the purpose of naming their town they wanted it to be ptarmigan but no one knew how to spell it so they settled on Chicken.
On 6/20 we decided to leave the travel trailer in Fairbanks and go to the Arctic Circle with only the truck.  It was raining that day and it made that gravel road messy and greasy.  At the sign indicating the Arctic Circle we took some pictures and headed back to Fairbanks.  We then headed south to Anchorage and found Mr. Rittgers.  I finally got an answer to my question of how thick the bottom board would be using his siding attachment.
After Alaska we headed down BC headed for the States.  Somewhere in BC I saw a sign showing a truck going downhill with a 15% grade advertisement.  What it did not say was that there was a switch back also.  I personally did not like that section of road.
Also in BC we were able to find Percy's operation tucked in the woods not visible from the road at all except for his arched sign over his driveway that said Thick and Thin.
Because of the ferry crossing cost of going to Vancouver Island was much higher than I had anticipated we did not go, and crossed into the U.S. at Blaine, WA.
On our way home from WA we stopped at my brother's in Boise and then we visited the Crazy Horse museum and some National Parks in WY, MT, SD, and MI, on our way to visit family and attend the Pig Roast.

To all the FF members we visited thank you for the hospitality, and Mr. Niemi thank you very much for the grand tour of the area. Hope your crops do or did well.
Gerald and Michaeleen
Title: Re: 2017 Possible Trip
Post by: Magicman on August 27, 2017, 09:29:31 PM
Thank You Gerald for the write up.  It is still debatable whether we will ever make that trip again, but I know that we will always want to.  It's said that when one visits Alaska, you never come all of the way back home. 
Title: Re: 2017 Possible Trip
Post by: POSTON WIDEHEAD on August 28, 2017, 06:14:05 PM
Quote from: Magicman on August 27, 2017, 09:29:31 PM
  It's said that when one visits Alaska, you never come all of the way back home.

Planning on sawing a few FROZEN LOGS in your future?  :snowball:
Title: Re: 2017 Possible Trip
Post by: GAB on August 29, 2017, 08:10:35 AM
Quote from: POSTONLT40HD on August 28, 2017, 06:14:05 PM
Quote from: Magicman on August 27, 2017, 09:29:31 PM
  It's said that when one visits Alaska, you never come all of the way back home.

Planning on sawing a few FROZEN LOGS in your future?  :snowball:

I do not need to go to Alaska for frozen logs.  All I need to do is wait til winter here in VT.
Gerald
Title: Re: 2017 Possible Trip
Post by: Grizzly on October 24, 2017, 11:36:01 AM
T'was havin' French toast (I asked for English and all I got was a deep sigh) for breakfast this mornin' and asked for some maple syrup that was left for us. And out comes a bottle from Vermont!! And so I enjoyed anoth..........continued to enjoy the maple syrup that GAB left for us. You comin' agin GAB?? We gots lots of space for the camper.

Lyle
Title: Re: 2017 Possible Trip
Post by: GAB on October 24, 2017, 07:19:25 PM
Another trip up your way is not currently on the agenda.  I am glad we did it once.  Met a lot of nice folks both in O'Canada and in the US.  Got answers to my questions from Parker R.  I was not impressed with the skeeters especially in AK.  Also I'm down to four jugs of Vt Maple Syrup, I feel I'd have to get more if I was going on another trip.
Based on the caliber of the FF people I've met, I believe that Jeff would have made a hell of a Personnel Manager, but that is a personal observation.
Grizzly, for the syrup to last this long you must be doling it out with a syringe. 
How much snow do you currently have?  Are the youngsters skating on the pond?
Gerald
Title: Re: 2017 Possible Trip
Post by: Grizzly on October 24, 2017, 07:27:23 PM
Commercial stuff for general occasions and good stuff for special occasions. Really makes for greater appreciation of the good stuff. Not sure what was special this morning but I asked for maple syrup and that's what I got. No snow!! It's a fantastic year. Most farmers have even got crop off and cows should be home before snow flies. Kinda confusing after the last couple of years. So no skating yet but our youngest keeps wondering when winter will be here. I've tried the sales pitch that we don't need it but he's not convinced. In fact he don't even listen anymore. Oh well, we will have winter.