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Title: First Time I've Seen the Ring of Fire
Post by: POSTON WIDEHEAD on November 28, 2015, 02:02:20 PM
These logs came in this morning. I just sat a spell and looked at them.


 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/24625/IMG_6364.jpg) 

 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/24625/IMG_6363.jpg) 

 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/24625/IMG_6362.jpg)
Title: Re: First Time I've Seen the Ring of Fire
Post by: Kbeitz on November 28, 2015, 02:09:39 PM
Love to get my hands on some of that...
Title: Re: First Time I've Seen the Ring of Fire
Post by: terrifictimbersllc on November 28, 2015, 02:15:13 PM
Those are going to make some very purdy boards.  I'm relieved it's not a debilitating caprine dermal condition.
Title: Re: First Time I've Seen the Ring of Fire
Post by: Bruno of NH on November 28, 2015, 02:29:54 PM
Nice wish we had logs like that up north .
Title: Re: First Time I've Seen the Ring of Fire
Post by: caveman on November 28, 2015, 03:11:06 PM
Those are some nice logs.  Hopefully one of our knowledgeable foresters will explain to us what causes that. 
Title: Re: First Time I've Seen the Ring of Fire
Post by: Left Coast Chris on November 28, 2015, 03:14:35 PM
Pretty interesting.   Hope you will post pics of the lumber.   

At first glance I was thinking you went to see a remake of a Johnny Cash concert.......   :)
Title: Re: First Time I've Seen the Ring of Fire
Post by: WellandportRob on November 28, 2015, 03:49:29 PM
Cut into them already the suspense is killing me.
Title: Re: First Time I've Seen the Ring of Fire
Post by: Cedarman on November 28, 2015, 05:10:14 PM
Scares me when I see those white rings in the logs.  Too many times that ring can be completely rotten and ruin the whole log.  Sometimes you do get the purdy wood.   I am still waiting on a good explanation on why sometimes sapwood will not turn into heartwood too.
Title: Re: First Time I've Seen the Ring of Fire
Post by: mesquite buckeye on November 28, 2015, 05:23:18 PM
We get a lot of streaky ones in our crappy field cedars  ;D ;D ;D in Missouri. These came from a double that yielded about 3-4 eight foot logs from each half to 5-6" at the top. I'm thinking knobby mantles with a place to hang Christmas stockings. Worth millions... :-\   We shall see if they sell at all.

 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/31219/IMG_2427.JPG) 

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I'll keep my fingers crossed, but haven't seen any serious rot as of now. This one was never pruned and was selected for harvest to test market the knobby mantles. The branches mostly came off one side.
Title: Re: First Time I've Seen the Ring of Fire
Post by: mesquite buckeye on November 28, 2015, 05:30:42 PM
The vertical face in the previous post is 9 1/2". Them's some fat rings. Cedars love my bad ground. ;D 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) :snowball:
Title: Re: First Time I've Seen the Ring of Fire
Post by: Magicman on November 28, 2015, 05:33:29 PM
Those logs will make boards like this:


 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/20011/DSCN1015_28Custom29.JPG)
And they can be used like this:


 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/20011/DSCN1047_28Custom29.JPG)
Title: Re: First Time I've Seen the Ring of Fire
Post by: Tree Dan on November 28, 2015, 05:36:08 PM
Send it all out to me and I will take care of that bad wood for you  ;D
Geeter on the mizer and lets see what going on  on the inside 8)
Nice
Title: Re: First Time I've Seen the Ring of Fire
Post by: 4x4American on November 28, 2015, 06:55:39 PM
 :P
Title: Re: First Time I've Seen the Ring of Fire
Post by: Nomad on November 28, 2015, 07:07:50 PM
     Never seen that before.  But if they're good solid wood it'll make some really killer boards! 8)
Title: Re: First Time I've Seen the Ring of Fire
Post by: POSTON WIDEHEAD on November 28, 2015, 08:30:22 PM
I'll post pics of the lumber as soon as I get my Solenoid.  :D
Title: Re: First Time I've Seen the Ring of Fire
Post by: Magicman on November 28, 2015, 08:40:26 PM
I hope that you ordered two.   ;D
Title: Re: First Time I've Seen the Ring of Fire
Post by: dean herring on November 28, 2015, 08:47:04 PM
Wow x2 Magicman
Those are really nice.
Title: Re: First Time I've Seen the Ring of Fire
Post by: POSTON WIDEHEAD on November 28, 2015, 09:00:45 PM
Quote from: Magicman on November 28, 2015, 08:40:26 PM
I hope that you ordered two.   ;D

But I'm gonna saw just 1 log.  ;D
Title: Re: First Time I've Seen the Ring of Fire
Post by: barbender on November 29, 2015, 01:34:26 AM
I was afraid to read this, I thought it might be a case of goat hemorrhoids :-X ;D
Title: Re: First Time I've Seen the Ring of Fire
Post by: YellowHammer on November 29, 2015, 07:58:15 AM
Very nice, but I have to wonder what would cause that?  I see that occasionally, but not to that extent.  I'm thinking $300 mantles.   8)
Title: Re: First Time I've Seen the Ring of Fire
Post by: Texas Ranger on November 29, 2015, 08:21:39 AM
From a "Knowledge lacking forester".  God made them that way.   
Title: Re: First Time I've Seen the Ring of Fire
Post by: btulloh on November 29, 2015, 10:55:01 AM
Quote from: Magicman on November 28, 2015, 05:33:29 PM
Those logs will make boards like this:

And they can be used like this:

MM - what kind of finish did you use on that ceiling?
Title: Re: First Time I've Seen the Ring of Fire
Post by: Magicman on November 29, 2015, 02:16:06 PM
No finish at all; planed, T&G, and nailed it up.  That is the ceilings, walls, & flooring in the Cabin mud room.  LINK (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php/topic,47709.msg951660.html#msg951660)
Title: Re: First Time I've Seen the Ring of Fire
Post by: purple otter on November 29, 2015, 03:57:48 PM
Looks like bacon !
Title: Re: First Time I've Seen the Ring of Fire
Post by: POSTON WIDEHEAD on November 29, 2015, 07:05:53 PM
Quote from: purple otter on November 29, 2015, 03:57:48 PM
Looks like bacon !

He can make it taste like Bacon if he'd hang a piece of it up in his barrel.  :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: First Time I've Seen the Ring of Fire
Post by: LeeB on November 30, 2015, 07:06:48 AM
Quote from: POSTONLT40HD on November 29, 2015, 07:05:53 PM
Quote from: purple otter on November 29, 2015, 03:57:48 PM
Looks like bacon !

He can make it taste like Bacon if he'd hang a piece of it up in his barrel.  :D :D :D :D

The crispy kind?  :D :D :D
Title: Re: First Time I've Seen the Ring of Fire
Post by: customdave on December 02, 2015, 11:07:15 PM
I thought this would be sawen up by now, mill fixed... just kinda waitin for the pics, not trying rush ya or anything, guess I can wait another hour ;)...

                                 Dave
Title: Re: First Time I've Seen the Ring of Fire
Post by: Dodgy Loner on December 03, 2015, 11:23:19 AM
Quote from: Cedarman on November 28, 2015, 05:10:14 PM
I am still waiting on a good explanation on why sometimes sapwood will not turn into heartwood too.

From this article (http://www.degruyter.com/dg/viewarticle/j$002fhfsg.2004.58.issue-1$002fhf.2004.010$002fhf.2004.010.xml)

QuoteThe reddish-violet heartwood of Juniperus virginiana L. contains irregularly distributed and longitudinally oriented streaks of light-coloured wood, described as "included sapwood". A histological study revealed that a blockage of the rays, which is caused by wounds often associated with tiny shakes, branch stubs and included bark, may lead to this anomaly. A study of fresh wood immediately after felling of the trees showed that "included sapwood" lacks physiological activity similar to the adjacent normal heartwood. Cellular UV-spectroscopic analysis revealed a secondary metabolism particularly of phenolic compounds in the pit membranes of tracheids during "included sapwood" formation, whereas the reddish-violet flavonoid compounds do not develop in this anomalous wood. Chemical analyses of petrol ether, diethyl ether, acetone and ethanol/water extracts of sapwood, "included sapwood" and heartwood showed that the accessory compounds cedrol, α-cedrene, widdrol, thujopsene and cuparene increased in "included sapwood" compared to sapwood. As opposed to the reddish-violet heartwood compounds, these sesquiterpenes turned out to be highly toxic against a brown-rot fungus in a bioassay. These findings justify defining "included sapwood" as a heartwood anomaly, since the important wood characteristics of this tissue obey the definition of heartwood rather than sapwood. This anomaly should no longer be a reason to exclude this type of wood from commercial utilisation.

Gotta pay for the whole article. I'm not that curious :D
Title: Re: First Time I've Seen the Ring of Fire
Post by: POSTON WIDEHEAD on December 03, 2015, 05:58:13 PM
Quote from: customdave on December 02, 2015, 11:07:15 PM
I thought this would be sawen up by now, mill fixed... just kinda waitin for the pics, not trying rush ya or anything, guess I can wait another hour ;)...

                                 Dave

I had other orders ahead of it. My plan is to saw it in the morning.  ::)
Title: Re: First Time I've Seen the Ring of Fire
Post by: OffGrid973 on December 03, 2015, 07:53:47 PM
Best part of a roller coaster is the climb...being told the ride is now closed until tomorrow is THE WORST!!!
Title: Re: First Time I've Seen the Ring of Fire
Post by: POSTON WIDEHEAD on December 03, 2015, 08:29:27 PM
Quote from: cwimer973 on December 03, 2015, 07:53:47 PM
Best part of a roller coaster is the climb...being told the ride is now closed until tomorrow is THE WORST!!!

You are exactly right....in fact, I may let the coaster go just a little higher.  :D
Title: Re: First Time I've Seen the Ring of Fire
Post by: caveman on December 03, 2015, 08:30:46 PM
Dodgy Loner, thank you for providing an explanation for the ring in the heartwood. 
Title: Re: First Time I've Seen the Ring of Fire
Post by: POSTON WIDEHEAD on December 04, 2015, 06:57:17 PM
I was impressed with the guts of these logs.  :) Looks like red lines were actually painted down the sides. I still have not seen anything like these. These belonged to a customer but I ended up trading him 2 for 1 on the lumber. All he was looking for was Cedar to make toys out of. I sawed these slabs 2 inches thick for a table top.


 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/24625/IMG_6384.jpg) 

 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/24625/IMG_6385.jpg) 

 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/24625/IMG_6386.jpg) 

 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/24625/IMG_6387.jpg) 

 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/24625/IMG_6388.jpg)
Title: Re: First Time I've Seen the Ring of Fire
Post by: Nomad on December 04, 2015, 07:33:23 PM
Quote from: POSTONLT40HD on December 04, 2015, 06:57:17 PM
I was impressed with the guts of these logs.  :) Looks like red lines were actually painted down the sides. I still have not seen anything like these. These belonged to a customer but I ended up trading him 2 for 1 on the lumber. All he was looking for was Cedar to make toys out of. I sawed these slabs 2 inches thick for a table top.


 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/24625/IMG_6384.jpg) 

 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/24625/IMG_6385.jpg) 

 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/24625/IMG_6386.jpg) 

 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/24625/IMG_6387.jpg) 

 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/24625/IMG_6388.jpg)

     I think you made a good trade!
Title: Re: First Time I've Seen the Ring of Fire
Post by: Magicman on December 04, 2015, 08:49:48 PM
Now you done gone and did it!   ;D
Title: Re: First Time I've Seen the Ring of Fire
Post by: POSTON WIDEHEAD on December 04, 2015, 09:29:14 PM
Quote from: Magicman on December 04, 2015, 08:49:48 PM
Now you done gone and did it!   ;D

I just saw em and leave keep em.  ;D
Title: Re: First Time I've Seen the Ring of Fire
Post by: Magicman on December 04, 2015, 10:06:16 PM
Actually, I kept the one that I sawed too.   :)
Title: Re: First Time I've Seen the Ring of Fire
Post by: YellowHammer on December 04, 2015, 10:54:15 PM
Purty cool looking.  Like racing stripes. 
Title: Re: First Time I've Seen the Ring of Fire
Post by: customdave on December 04, 2015, 11:50:35 PM
It amazes me that a old man would drool over a stinken old log , but  I can't help it , man thats nice stuff...


                                     Dave
Title: Re: First Time I've Seen the Ring of Fire
Post by: customsawyer on December 05, 2015, 02:41:19 AM
If you need help disposing of that ugly stuff let me know. I'm here to help.  ;D
Title: Re: First Time I've Seen the Ring of Fire
Post by: Sixacresand on December 05, 2015, 09:33:16 AM
I think I clicked "like" when I saw the photos on facebook.   :)
Title: Re: First Time I've Seen the Ring of Fire
Post by: wolf nemeth on December 05, 2015, 05:34:48 PM
Thanks, Dodgy, for the  explanation.  If I read this correctly, these sapwood streaks are even MORE resistant to  brown fungus than the purple heartwood.  Go figure...
Title: Re: First Time I've Seen the Ring of Fire
Post by: POSTON WIDEHEAD on December 05, 2015, 06:38:57 PM
Quote from: customsawyer on December 05, 2015, 02:41:19 AM
If you need help disposing of that ugly stuff let me know. I'm here to help.  ;D

Its always good to have caring friends.  ;D
Title: Re: First Time I've Seen the Ring of Fire
Post by: POSTON WIDEHEAD on December 05, 2015, 06:48:29 PM
A lot of people have seen these boards at the mill, some wanting to know what I would take for them.
But sometimes, I know I do, get excited and wanna put a miter saw or planer on them.
I think I'll just sand them real good, let them air dry for a  few months and put them in the shop to store.

I may do a little exploring on Ebay and other sites. Who knows, with Cedar facing like this, I may be crazy NOT to sell it at the right price.  :o
Title: Re: First Time I've Seen the Ring of Fire
Post by: LeeB on December 06, 2015, 01:18:40 AM
$300