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Author Topic: Logs to saw but can't saw em. Need switch.  (Read 2894 times)

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Offline JB Griffin

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Re: Logs to saw but can't saw em. Need switch.
« Reply #20 on: December 30, 2017, 05:30:31 PM »
Banjo, sounds like your gonna have a heat wave, monday morning it's supposed to be 1. :(
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Re: Logs to saw but can't saw em. Need switch.
« Reply #21 on: December 30, 2017, 06:02:44 PM »
Well at this point, I hope it is your switch, some ignition systems have a power source when cranking and another for when the starter kicks out, which is not controlled by the switch itself.
I still think there are plenty of generic off the shelf ignition switches in use, that the engineers did not have to use one that was not a common item for this application.
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Re: Logs to saw but can't saw em. Need switch.
« Reply #22 on: December 30, 2017, 06:19:02 PM »
JB. I just cant hardly imagine the cold some of these forestry forum members are having to deal with.  I have enough wood at the house to last some of these guys maybe 4 days.  I have an insert that I bought when I first built the house 30 + years ago and it does a fine job for here.  But I cant imagine burning a half cord a day....even if they are talking about a face cord.

Starmac I hope it is the switch as well.  That would fix the problem pretty quick...if I could get my hands on the switch.  :(  I totally agree with the "why use this exact switch"?  If I were more of an electrician, I might be confident enough to try something else, but I am not.  I can see how I could jump a hot wire to the solenoid of the injection pump and alternator then jump the starter, but I dont understand how two kill switches and a circuit breaker come into play as well as two switches that will shut the engine down if the oil pressure is low or the temp is too high.  I don't know if the rpm meter is hooked up to the tateltale switch or not.  There is a whole bunch of wires in that control box.   :o  Banjo
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Re: Logs to saw but can't saw em. Need switch.
« Reply #23 on: December 30, 2017, 08:55:46 PM »
Is the throttle electronic?  I wish I could help more but a electrician I ain't.
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Re: Logs to saw but can't saw em. Need switch.
« Reply #24 on: December 31, 2017, 07:48:38 AM »
Banjo, It's -5F here this morning 75F+ in the house.
I use 2/ 2 wheelbarrels fill with wood a day in this cold, Not too bad.
The thing with the cold is the birds and wildlife. I'm feeding 2x a day till it gets up to +20F
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Re: Logs to saw but can't saw em. Need switch.
« Reply #25 on: December 31, 2017, 03:23:40 PM »
I didn't realize you had the oil and water kill switches. It is quite possible one of those is the culprit.

One one of my trucks the low water switch went bad, it would start and run a couple of seconds then die, I unplugged it and it would run then.
A couple of years later I had a hose go bad and had a service truck bring out 10 gallons of water, he only brought out 5, so I had t unplug it to get on back to their shop.
I have seen the oil pressure switches go bad on Honda motors a couple of times too, they would run if you unplug them also, I don't know how yours is set up though.
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Re: Logs to saw but can't saw em. Need switch.
« Reply #26 on: December 31, 2017, 05:11:48 PM »
JB the throttle is electronic.  The mill runs at an idle untill you flip a switch that sends power to a solenoid that opens the throttle. 

Peter that don't sound too bad for the temps you are having.  On another thread some of the members have said they were burning half a cord a day.  That would keep you busy.

Starmac the reason I have zoned in on the ignition switch is because one of the blades on the switch broke off with very little resistance.  That could very well mean it had been getting too hot, and even with the bypasss button pressed in when you let go of the switch the motor dies.  (You have to hold the bypass button in untill the oil pressure get high enough to get by the cut off point.)  If the by pass button  that controls the main tatletale switch was not working it would not crank at all even for just a few seconds.  If I am missing something somebody please straighten me out.  Banjo
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Re: Logs to saw but can't saw em. Need switch.
« Reply #27 on: January 01, 2018, 01:56:22 AM »
Gday Tim sorry to hear about the switch drama  if I was in Australia they are very common her  I have a couple of them in boxes. If its the ignition barrel which it sounds like we have bypassed (bush rigged ) them with toggle switch for axcilluary power and and a button for the starter

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Re: Logs to saw but can't saw em. Need switch.
« Reply #28 on: January 01, 2018, 05:35:13 AM »
Nope, it sounds like you are on the right track.
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Re: Logs to saw but can't saw em. Need switch.
« Reply #29 on: January 01, 2018, 08:40:56 AM »
Good to hear from you Chris,  I won't get caught like this again. ;) I'll have an extra also.  I am just not much of an electrician I guess.  Most things are easy to get usually with the internet and all, but that switch seems to be as rare as a white elephant on this side of the pond.  The temp. here is 12 degrees this morning, I wouldn't saw if it would crank. ;D Banjo
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Re: Logs to saw but can't saw em. Need switch.
« Reply #30 on: January 01, 2018, 08:54:34 AM »
You might try Tractor Supply, they have a few ignition switches.  Perhaps one of them would work for you.  Be aware that while ignition switches seem simple, they are not all the same.
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Re: Logs to saw but can't saw em. Need switch.
« Reply #31 on: January 15, 2018, 12:15:13 PM »
Its been over two weeks since I ordered the switches from England and still nothing.  I ordered from two separate suppliers to give myself a better shot of getting it sooner.  Neither one supplied a tracking number, so I have no idea where they might be.  Out of frustration I started looking again this morning, and I call the Tradewinds company (different office) and this time a lady gave me a number of another Tradewinds office in Florida and the parts man there (Wayne) was very helpful.  He had the Lucas switch and I ordered it form him.  I'll probably have 3 show up at the same time.  I just wish I could have been directed to him the first time I got in touch with the company in December.  I have also had another customer bring in another load of logs while I wasn't there.  I think I know who it was but I'll have to call and see.  I got to get this mill running, and soon.  If anyone is running a Cooks with the Perkins that has the Tradewinds control board, the Miami Florida office is the one to call for help when you get in a bind, because Cooks don't stock those parts.  :(  Banjo
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Re: Logs to saw but can't saw em. Need switch.
« Reply #32 on: January 16, 2018, 02:02:44 AM »
What a train wreck for such a should be common part. You would think cooks would at least have a line on where to get them QUICK.
I guess you can look at the bright side, you now know where some parts are located.
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Re: Logs to saw but can't saw em. Need switch.
« Reply #33 on: January 16, 2018, 10:26:38 AM »
I think they could easily fix you up with a current production switch and a pigtail on it to get from what you have to the new switch. Cooks saw are smart enough to figure that out.

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Re: Logs to saw but can't saw em. Need switch.
« Reply #34 on: January 16, 2018, 09:22:17 PM »
I got one of the ones I ordered from England in this evening.  Only thing is; its going to be a nice balmy     6 degrees in the morning  :D I think someone forgot to tell the cold air this is Mississippi and it aint supposed to be here.  I have never tried to saw frozen logs before.  Don't really relish the idea either.  Banjo
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Re: Logs to saw but can't saw em. Need switch.
« Reply #35 on: January 16, 2018, 09:30:18 PM »
Well the good news is the logs won't degrade much in the cold either!

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Re: Logs to saw but can't saw em. Need switch.
« Reply #36 on: January 17, 2018, 08:15:47 PM »
I put the switch on this morning after is warmed up a bit, bled it since I changed the fuel filter and after I hooked the dodge with two new batteries on it to the mill, she fired up and I ran it the rest of the day.  The sawing really wasn't that bad after I got all the wiring done. This was by far the coldest I have ever run it.  The customer has been pretty patience up till now so I am trying to get his logs sawed.   I am going to put a heavy tarp over the mill first thing in the morning and put a heater under it to help warm things up a bit before I start.  Supposed to be about 11 degrees in the morning.  Still got a good bit of snow on the froze ground.  It will be a real mess when it thaws. Thanks for listening to my ramblings.  :D  Banjo
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Re: Logs to saw but can't saw em. Need switch.
« Reply #37 on: January 17, 2018, 09:53:30 PM »
Hooray Tim !!!  I was hoping that you would be back sawing with that new switch.  I know that you breathed easier when everything clicked.   smiley_thumbsup smiley_thumbsup
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Re: Logs to saw but can't saw em. Need switch.
« Reply #38 on: January 18, 2018, 11:08:14 PM »
You got that right Lynn.  I run it pretty good today and got a good bit done.  The customer that had brought most of the logs show up and was please with the results, so that was good.  But its easy to cut pretty lumber when you got nice logs and his are for the most part.  I got another switch in today  :D  I still got one more coming; I was just about in a 9 line bind.  I am gona cut the old switch open when I get time and see what was going on inside of it.  Inquiring minds want to know.  Banjo
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Re: Logs to saw but can't saw em. Need switch.
« Reply #39 on: Yesterday at 12:31:19 AM »
Well hopefully you now have a lifetime supply.
I would take a continuity tester and one of the new ones and make a diagram of what does what, so you could easily work around it with off the shelf parts if you ever needed to.
At the very least it would give you something else besides the new switches to put up to never be found again.
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